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Supercharger for 60* V6 by fierosound
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Report this Post11-21-2002 08:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierosoundDirect Link to This Post
http://614streets.com/Fageol.html

Top mounted like on a 3800, but seems limited to either carb or TBI use.
Still, it's something to consider (or drool over).

And a question - does TBI only work in a vertical configuration? Or can a TBI be mounted horizontally in place of a throttle-body on a SC that has an "end feed" inlet?

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Report this Post11-21-2002 10:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Smoooooth GTSend a Private Message to Smoooooth GTDirect Link to This Post
What... No price???

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Report this Post11-22-2002 12:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroGT87Send a Private Message to FieroGT87Direct Link to This Post
I gotta have one of those.

I E-mailed the manufacturer trying to get some more info on this S/C for the 60 degree engines, including pricing.

Earl R.

edited because it looked like aluminum head intake at first

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Report this Post11-22-2002 12:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jelly2m8Send a Private Message to jelly2m8Direct Link to This Post
In the pic it looks like the rear cover is removable.

I wonder if one couldnt adapt the Fiero tb to the back, and machine the intake for the injectors?

Food for thought...

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Report this Post11-22-2002 06:35 AM Click Here to See the Profile for CarlcSend a Private Message to CarlcDirect Link to This Post
Check out Rotrex Superchargers - design is kind of like a cross between turbo & supercharger. They use the snail shell casing, and are really tiny (alternator size) said to be quiet and efficient, four sizes available, you get between 40% - 70% Hp increase (not to mention TORQUE)
UK prices varied from £1000 - £1300 http://www.rotrex.eu.com/
Based in denmark - UK Dealer - don't know about US dealer wise.

Heard a rumour that they have signed an OEM deal with GM so you should soon get them as standard on some models.

There is a guy on the forum RotrexFiero that has one in his.

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Report this Post11-22-2002 07:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 88VortechGTSend a Private Message to 88VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
I would stay away from the Rotrex Superchargers, I have heard of them locking up do to the heat that the Fiero engine produces. I am running a Vortech VS-9 Supercharger on my fully built 88 GT, it works the same as the Rotrex, it's basiclly just a belt driven Turbo, and loads of fun.

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Report this Post11-22-2002 08:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OreifClick Here to visit Oreif's HomePageSend a Private Message to OreifDirect Link to This Post
I have emailed them and received lots of info. If anyone is interested, let me know I can forward it. The info they sent me includes a price list as well as the mechanical drawings of the blower.
This is a "roots" type blower designed for carb or TBI. You cannot put a TBI in sideways. Also the rear panel comes off to access the blower rollers.
The blower itself is $1800, Total kits run about $2400-$2800 depending on finish and accessories. They don't have a specific kit for a Fiero, But the pulley's will bolt up and they will clear the frame of the Fiero.

This is the companies official website: http://www.fageolsuperchargers.com/

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Report this Post11-22-2002 01:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RotrexFieroClick Here to visit RotrexFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to RotrexFieroDirect Link to This Post
I have a Rotrex on my stock 2.8 Fiero GT.

I am pleased with it and it does function fine, but I can't say that I felt that way initially.

Jump on my web page and I have the whole story posted there.

Bottom line is that with the Rotrex you must run a oil cooler or else it will freeze up.

Anyone else out there running a Rotrex Charger?

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Report this Post11-22-2002 03:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierosoundDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by 88VortechGT:
I am running a Vortech VS-9 Supercharger on my fully built 88 GT, it's basiclly just a belt driven Turbo, and loads of fun.

Do you have the RSM S/C kit (pictured here http://webhome.idirect.com/%7Ersm1/supercharger.doc ), or did you make your own install brackets etc.?

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Report this Post11-22-2002 04:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RotrexFieroClick Here to visit RotrexFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to RotrexFieroDirect Link to This Post
Yes, mine came as a kit from RSM. But, had no oil cooler and so froze after a months use. In retrospect the hardest thing about a SC is the bracket which of course must be custom. The rest is easy.

I get about 7-8 psi without a CAT. With the CAT I get another 1 psi. Now with the cooler weather that car takes off like a rocket. In August, when it was around 80-90 outside, I posted a 14.5 ET at Keystone Raceway. Though with the cooler weather and my new intake (routed it away from the exaust side) I bet I could do better.

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Report this Post11-23-2002 12:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RotrexFieroClick Here to visit RotrexFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to RotrexFieroDirect Link to This Post
Okay, I think I got my webpage to work now. Had the typo in the link below but it should work now. For those interested in my experience with the Rotrex Charger.

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Okay I think it is working now...address in type correctly but still not working anyway it is:
www.angelfire.com/pa5/davidfiero/

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Report this Post11-23-2002 01:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 88VortechGTSend a Private Message to 88VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
I am running a similiar kit that Rotrex Fiero is running, except mine uses a much Bigger Supercharger, and a fully built motor. I was getting 12psi on the stock pulley, and running 12.5 in the 1/4 before my tranny ate itself....LOL

I am now adding a intercooler and and Water injection, so I can up the boost this spring, I am hopping for a 11 Sec run using 15-18 psi.

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Report this Post11-23-2002 10:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroGT87Send a Private Message to FieroGT87Direct Link to This Post
I got a E-mail back today from http://www.fageolsuperchargers.com/ They said they produced kits in the 80's for Pontiac based off their S-10 kit. They are were working on a few kits for resale again. They don't have the pricing yet. The nice thing is you won't lose your A/C. So they will keep me informed on when the kits will be ready for the 2.8,3.1,3.4 engines.

Here are some pics they sent me.

Kinda hard to see, but I think everyone gets the idea.

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Report this Post11-29-2002 02:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierosoundDirect Link to This Post
88VortechGT

Did you fab your own brackets, etc? Any pictures you could show us?

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Originally posted by FieroGT87:
I got a E-mail back today from http://www.fageolsuperchargers.com/ They said they produced kits in the 80's for Pontiac based off their S-10 kit. They are were working on a few kits for resale again. They don't have the pricing yet.

Am I seeing 2 different things (SC kits)?
In one pic, it looks like an intake mounted SC with fuel rails for injectors.
In another, I see what looks like a SC down where the AC would be on a Fiero.

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Report this Post11-29-2002 04:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroGT87Send a Private Message to FieroGT87Direct Link to This Post
FieroSound,

NO, The S/C for the 2.8, 3.1, 3.4 is a top mount like the S/C on the 3.8 engines.

A couple of pictures are sideways. If you look closer you'll those are Fiero Cradles those engines are sitting on.

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Report this Post11-29-2002 05:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jim GregorySend a Private Message to Jim GregoryDirect Link to This Post
Yo, RotrexFiero & 88VortechGT

What changes, if any, have you made in injector size? Are you running a standard GM ECU? What kind of fuel economy/drivability are you getting? (Not that any of us own these little wallet leeches to actually SAVE money.)

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Report this Post11-30-2002 12:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Wade87GTSend a Private Message to Wade87GTDirect Link to This Post
For those who want to design their own system using a TBI set-up, you could start here:
http://www.magnuson-products.com/mp62_4th_generation.htm

Notice that the inlet port is where you'd want it for the Fiero.

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Report this Post11-30-2002 08:30 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RotrexFieroClick Here to visit RotrexFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to RotrexFieroDirect Link to This Post
Jim,

On my Rotrex charged Fiero the only visiable sign that the car is superchareged is the induction pipes. Otherwise my car is pretty stock, including injectors, FPR, and slightly reprogrammed ECU.

For the money you spend on a Turbo or SC kit you can certainly have your choice of many alternative engine swaps, but the beauty of the kit is it a rather simple bolt on versus a complete project. (Even if the kit is something you fabricate on your own.)

Gas mileage, of course, is reduced. Cant have more power and still make equal to better gas mileage. On the highway losses are little, probably less than a mile per gallon, with city driving being higher. Of course driving style has much to do with this.

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Report this Post12-02-2002 11:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierosoundDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by RotrexFiero:
Otherwise my car is pretty stock, including injectors, FPR, and slightly reprogrammed ECU.

Your reprogrammed ECU - I need details. Is this the one RSM provides? Is it an '85 Fiero ECM with knock sensor input? If not, what did they do - why not just a new PROM?

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Report this Post12-03-2002 05:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
I know one thing........for that kind of money plus installation.......I'd do my own engine swap for sure. Late model 3800's are readily available now with 205 HP stock. I'm pretty sure I can do a swap on one of these for no more than about $3k.

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Report this Post12-03-2002 08:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 88VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
I would post pics of my set-up but Penn's does ot support Mac formats so if some one would like to post the pics for me I will email them to you.

As far as ECU's go, I am using a Stock ECU with a reprogrammed PROM Chip, and a 3 Bar map sensor out of a Grand National, and I am using 19lb injectors. I still have to get my ignition figured out yet, I probably gonna go with a MSD set-up with a Retard set-up and a Knock Link System.

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Report this Post12-03-2002 02:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RotrexFieroClick Here to visit RotrexFiero's HomePageDirect Link to This Post
GTDUDE,

Yes it is expensive but the money for me was easier to come by then the time and the amount of work that I would encouter performing an engine swap. Other factors for me include my engine was a healthy running 2.8 with only 28k on the odometer.

Also, it was a learning experince for me since my background is not in automotive engineering and I have little experience working on cars. Now, a few years later I would be willing to attempt something like an engine swap, and though there are many engines to consider none seem to offer much promise without some kind of forced induction.

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Report this Post12-03-2002 04:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for IDoMy0wn RacingDirect Link to This Post
Hey, 88VortechGT

The Crane HI-6S Control Box comes with a Crane PS91 Coil it is already wired for boost, all you do is add the BAR MAP sensor.

Summit racing carries it for $136.00ish part number is; CRN-600-6300

This is for those looking for a good ignition system, reasonably priced.

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