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How to tame the 2.8 fuel pump for carb applications with pic by Arns85GT
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Report this Post02-12-2004 05:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
After some research into the most cost effective and reliable combination for feeding my 40+psi to my carb at 6 psi, I found that Mallory has a racing regulator rated to 60 psi and Russell has a liquid filled fuel pressure gauge that work.

I have done an initial plumbing job, but will likely change a couple of things. I am sticking with barb and clamp connections for experimentation.

Notice the vacuum nipple on the regulator. This allows guys with boost to get more gas when they need it.

It just seems to me that having the volume continually available in circuit, feeding a bypass of much less volume, will give a pretty good reserve for accelleration, and be easier on the fuel pump than the standard fuel regulator.

The fuel filter will go pre-regulator and be mounted with a nice chrome bracket on the fire wall. (No more crawling under to change it.)

I'll put a glass filter on the 6 psi line so I can monitor when I need new filters.

I hope this helps somebody save some aggrevation and bucks.


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Report this Post02-12-2004 06:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for red85gtClick Here to visit red85gt's HomePageSend a Private Message to red85gtDirect Link to This Post
Just put in the 4 cyl pump and save youre self the agravation. no regulator needed with the 4 cyl pump. If you plan on taking youre car to the strip glass filters are illegal. They wont let you run. Also I dont think you can safely hold back 40+ psi with worm clamps. Just put in the 4 cyl pump and you will be fine.

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Report this Post02-12-2004 07:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FastIndyFieroClick Here to visit FastIndyFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to FastIndyFieroDirect Link to This Post
Just FYI, you do need a regulator for the 4 cyl fuel pump. I'm running a reg. the same as Arn's on my carbed Duke. Unregulated, the 4-cyl. fuel pump puts out about 14-15 psi, a bit too much for carbed applications where 5-6 psi is optimum.
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Report this Post02-12-2004 07:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by red85gt:

They wont let you run. Also I dont think you can safely hold back 40+ psi with worm clamps. Just put in the 4 cyl pump and you will be fine.

Have you checked your fuel hose connections at your fuel filter and at the tank?

The steel line connectors feeding your fuel block on the engine can fool you. Look underneath and you will see how GM attached the rubber hoses for their 45 psi.

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Report this Post02-12-2004 07:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post

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Originally posted by FastIndyFiero:

Just FYI, you do need a regulator for the 4 cyl fuel pump. I'm running a reg. the same as Arn's on my carbed Duke. Unregulated, the 4-cyl. fuel pump puts out about 14-15 psi, a bit too much for carbed applications where 5-6 psi is optimum.

Right on!

Not only do you need a fuel regulator for the 4 cyl fuel pump, you are also well advise to have a fuel pressure guage for safety. The questions I asked my self were:

1. Given that I want all the fuel I can handle on demand, do I really want to give up a high output pump?
2. Given that I really need a fuel regulator and a fuel pressure guage to be safe, why would I throw out a perfectly good high output pump, and buy a pump in addition to the regulator & guage that I need anyway?
3. Given that I am a lazy sob, do I really want to drop the tank?

The only valid answer for me was to buy the right regulator for the job (a bit more money) and a liquid fill guage and use my fuel pump.

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Report this Post02-13-2004 12:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FastIndyFieroClick Here to visit FastIndyFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to FastIndyFieroDirect Link to This Post
How much did you pay for your regulator, if you don't mind me asking? I paid $120 for mine from a local speed shop. My setup is very similar to yours. I mounted a liquid-filled gauge off of a 3/8" NPT to -6AN male adapter fitting. The regulator is mounted on the rear bulkead, and is fed by the stock fuel lines up to that point (just rebent a little). Then there's a -6AN line running to the carb.

Are you using the Edelbrock carb intake on the 2.8?

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Report this Post02-13-2004 06:20 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tesmith66Send a Private Message to tesmith66Direct Link to This Post
Here's what I did:

Since I already had the regulator and some fittings, it only cost about $20. I use the needle valve to dial in the initial pressure, then the regulator to set it at 6-7 PSI. Works great, and a heck of a lot easier than dropping the tank to put in a new pump (which would have cost over 3 times as much)

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Report this Post02-13-2004 08:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
The Mallory racing regulator is at Jegs

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1472&prmenbr=361 for $75

The liquid filled Russell guage I got for $43 Canadian (about $32 US) . I don't know about an American supplier.

The schematic is really nice and well thought out. The only reservation I have on the design is the in line regulator. Single step down needs a pretty solid regulator to prevent creep. I think the bypass adjustable type is superior. But that is just my take on it.

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Report this Post02-13-2004 10:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ButterSend a Private Message to ButterDirect Link to This Post
I use the 4 cyl pump and just put a jet in a T fitting and drilled the jet till I relieved the return line to 7lbs on the line coming off to the carb. I put a see through filter in front of it all and ain't had any fuel problems. I know its not a true regulator but it sure works. I had the fittings laying around the shop at the time I done it. I have less than $20 in the whole thing if it were bought.

I done this after I burst the hose inside the tank from the pump to the line out of the tank. I was using a static inline regulator at the time and I just figured it was hard sith no pressure relief. I also figured the fuel pump would last longer if it didn't have to hold as much pressure as it was originally set up for.

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Originally posted by tesmith66:

Here's what I did:

Since I already had the regulator and some fittings, it only cost about $20. I use the needle valve to dial in the initial pressure, then the regulator to set it at 6-7 PSI. Works great, and a heck of a lot easier than dropping the tank to put in a new pump (which would have cost over 3 times as much)


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I like the tesmith66 idea. Use a needle valve to bleed off the excess pressure. This may be coincidental but with the filter in that position your constantly filtering the fuel supply which is good.

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