GM is recalling the nylon fuel rails seen on 1995-1997 Auroras with the 4.0 engine, and 1995-1997 4.6L Northstar powered cars... I haven't heard a timeframe yet as to when the new stainless steel fuel rails will be here, but it should be fairly soon.

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due to swapping... How would we go about getting this done??? I'm still in the process of pulling the 4.0

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I don't know... I plan on taking my fuel rail to the dealer with a wrecked VIN, and telling them I want the stainless one.. I'd think they'd have to honor it if the customer chose to do it him(her)self? But I'm calling tomorrow to find out. The announcement is fairly new, so most places probably haven't even heard of the recall yet.

ryan.hess,

i am interested to hear what you find out, thanks for posting

Well I stopped in twice, and both times they pretty much said that it didn't exist or it hasn't started yet... I suspect they may not tell the dealers until they have ample supply of the new stainless rail. 390,000 is no small number. by the way, this is GM recall #04014. Cadillac can be reached at 1-866-982-2339. I just bought some fuel injector o-rings, and I'll be saving my receipt in case they do honor DIY'ers.

Also, I find it odd they're going to stainless steel, and not the later (already in production) 98+ rails that use multi-layer PTFE (I believe). Makes me wonder if there's something going on with those as well...

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bump kick.. whats the story here?

The recall IS taking place, but for the Caddy's it's just the '96 and up models. They have a different fuel rail which puts the fuel connections on the opposite side of the throttle body relative to the '95 and older fuel rail. I've seen the stainless steel replacement fuel rail. It's a nice piece. I may find a junkyard VIN for a '96+ Caddy and get one of those fuel rails...

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quote Originally posted by Will: The recall IS taking place, but for the Caddy's it's just the '96 and up models. They have a different fuel rail which puts the fuel connections on the opposite side of the throttle body relative to the '95 and older fuel rail. I've seen the stainless steel replacement fuel rail. It's a nice piece. I may find a junkyard VIN for a '96+ Caddy and get one of those fuel rails...

You've seen one? From what I've been hearing, there won't be enough stock to go around for some time yet???

so 95 aurora is ok?

NHTSA Action Number : EA04003 NHTSA Recall Campaign Number : 04V110000
Component : FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
Date Investigation Opened : February 3, 2004
Date Investigation Closed : April 23, 2004
Summary:
ON MARCH 3, 2004, GENERAL MOTORS NOTIFIED ODI THAT IT WAS RECALLING APPROXIMATELY 94,000 MY 1995-97 OLDSMOBILE AURORA VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 4.0L V8 ENGINES (RPO L47 - VIN8 "C") TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WITH UNDERHOOD FUEL LEAKAGE FROM CRACKED FUEL RAILS AND, IN SOME OF THE VEHICLES, CRACKED FUEL RETURN LINES. ACCORDING TO GM, THE NYLON TUBING (PA12) USED IN THE FUEL RAIL CONSTRUCTION IN THESE VEHICLES MAY DEGRADE AND CRACK. GM'S SUPPLIER ATTRIBUTED THE CRACKING TO THE COMBINED EFFECTS OF HEAT, TIME, ALCOHOL FUEL, FUEL PRESSURE CYCLING, AND DESIGN STRESSES. IN ADDITION, GM STATED THAT THE MY 1995 AURORA USES A UNIQUE UNDERHOOD FUEL RETURN LINE THAT MAY ALSO CRACK AT UNUSUALLY HIGH RATES. GM DEALERS WILL INSTALL A NEW FUEL RAIL CONSTRUCTED OUT OF STAINLESS STEEL IN ALL OF THE RECALLED VEHICLES AND WILL ALSO INSTALL A REVISED CHASSIS FUEL RETURN LINE IN THE MY 1995 AURORAS. ON APRIL 16, 2004, GENERAL MOTORS NOTIFIED ODI THAT IT WAS ADDING APPROXIMATELY 389,000 MY 1995-97 CADILLAC SEVILLE, DEVILLE AND ELDORADO VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 4.6L V8 ENGINES (RPO'S LD8 AND L37 - VIN8 "Y" AND "9") TO RECALL 04V-110. THE RECALLED CADILLACS WILL RECEIVE THE NEW STAINLESS STEEL FUEL RAILS. THIS ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS CLOSED.

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Will and ryan.hess,

thanks for sharing the info. worst case if I can't get ahold of the new steel line, i will try to remove the plastic (or whatever it is between the injectors) and replace with high pressure fuel injector hose and clamps. it won't look as nice but it may be safer.. maybe not though..

I saw one of the fuel rails being installed. It was very nice. Ought to spice up the top of my engine pretty well. I ditched the beauty cover because I want to look at the top of my engine and I WANT to hear that DOHC valvetrain noise.

I talked to the service guy and to the parts guy (Caddy dealership). Both of them said that they are only doing Auroras right now, but that the Cadillac fuel rails are coming down the pike. Neither knew when they'd have to start replacing the Caddy rails, but the parts guy said it could be several months.

I'd like to get one for my engine as soon as they come out. The return line on my fuel rail got a little crimp in it when I was installing the rail.

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Will,

do you know if the aurora fuel rail is a different part number from the caddy? i bought a caddy intake and it looks like it will fit the aurora ok. but I have not bolted it on yet. it came with the rail and injectors... all used.

Don't get too worked up over this... It's not like all the nylon fuel rails are going to pop before the end of the month.

The '95 and older Northstar fuel rails have the fuel connections on the right side of the throttle body (the side the EGR valve is on).
The Aurora and '96 and later Northstar fuel rails have the connections on the opposite side of the throttle body.

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Just got one today. I'm glad too, the schraeder valve threads were stripping on the STUPID (!!!) plastic rail. Looks pretty good. Should make the top of the engine look better

Oh, P.S. - [monster garage voice] FREEBIE!!

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Sweeet.

Is that the only version of it?
I thought that on the one I saw the connections were on the opposite side (top of picture as opposed to bottom).

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quote Originally posted by Will: Sweeet. Is that the only version of it? I thought that on the one I saw the connections were on the opposite side (top of picture as opposed to bottom).

Pretty sure there's at least 2 versions... One with the bend in the rail, the other with straight connections (96-7?) Don't think there was one with connections on the other side??

very nice - it still amazes me that gm uses plastic on the fuel system peices where they attach to the engine

quote Originally posted by Kohburn: very nice - it still amazes me that gm uses plastic on the fuel system peices where they attach to the engine

whaddaya mean? Our rails were 100% plastic!!!!

One Q.. how did you aquire the part?? do yo have to take the car there? or just the part or what? cause my motor is still on the cradle in the garage.

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quote Originally posted by DjDraggin: One Q.. how did you aquire the part?? do yo have to take the car there? or just the part or what? cause my motor is still on the cradle in the garage.

I took the car there once to have it aligned, and they were all drooling over my project... A couple weeks later, I called and was like, "remember me? I need a recalled fuel rail... VIN blah blah blah" Stopped on by (no fiero), and he handed it to me.

I don't think GM or the dealers have to provide the part for a DIY. Legally they may not even be allowed to. Some dealers may provide the parts since it means they can collect the fees from GM and not have to actually do anything.

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quote Originally posted by theogre: Some dealers may provide the parts since it means they can collect the fees from GM and not have to actually do anything.

Exactly... I suspect they put me down for 2 hours of labor The guy at the dealer was definately eager to work with me.......

The recall documents provided to the dealer by GM tell them how to bill GM for the time. Examples of it can be found by following the links in the recall info in my cave. Some recalls provide significant amounts of labor reimbersment. As many dealers are only slightly more honest than your neighborhood crack dealer, they will give away anything that lets them get money from GM without work.

I was thinking about trying that...
I'm not about to let a dealership mechanic touch my car, but maybe if I back it up to the service bay, rev a couple of times, pop the deck lid and ask if I can get the SS fuel rail, I might get somewhere...

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I had this recall done on my 96 Seville STS a couple of weeks ago. The new stainless rail is definately a much better design than the previous plastic rails. The new rails extend past the side of the head before they angle down to the tank lines. The old flexible plastic line drooped over the side of the head. I was also told that since the bowl of the Fuel Pressure Regulator was plastic, the recall cured a pressure issue also. The bowl would warp a small amount and stick the FPR. My car now definately has an improved idle quality over previous.

The tech that changed my lines is a friend of mine, so I did not have to worry about the car while I watched him change them. New injector O-Rings are included in the recall.
The recall only pays the tech 1.0 hours.

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I'm a little disheartened with some of the dealer comments. I've for my cadillac dealer as a tech for 12 years. I'll be the first to tell ya that we are far more honest than a crack dealer as one of you have said. Further more, our knowledge and resources are way above the local garage. Now I'm not defending all dealers because I've talked to alot of other techs from other dealers and some have no bussiness driving a car let alone working on one. Anyway, give us a chance before condemn us all.....

The scoop on the recall...It is on 95-97 northstars and auroras. 95 auroras also get new lines. GM is not required to replace all fuel rails, only ones attached to a car with a vin # that falls under the recall. So, becarefull with those salvage vins they may come up as a salvage title and not be covered. Should your dealer be nice enough to hook you up, excellent let them take the laobe for helping you out. Other wise the fuel rail and the requires seal kit is about $175 list. I can get them for about $125 my cost but I'm not sure that I will be able to offer that price to you. There are at three different ones... aurora style w/ the lines on the left...caddy #1 lines on right then bending down toward the rear....and caddy #2 lines on the right and extending straight out. The aurora ones look best suited for our application.

I think Caddy #2 (if I interpret you correctly) with the lines coming straight out from the right/rear side of the TB is actually the best... This fuel rail is plug-n-play with the '85-'87 four cylinder fuel lines.

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Turn the key and feel the engine shake the whole car with its lope; Plant the gas pedal and feel in your chest neither a shriek nor a wail but a bellowing roar; Lift and be pushed into the harness by compression braking that only comes from the biggest cylinders while listening to music of pops and gurgles. Know that you are driving an American V8. There are finer engines made, but none of them are this cool.

Luck, Fate and Destiny are words used by those who lack the courage to define their own future