I've been looking for a good exhaust for my 85 se v6 . I've heard borla is about the best but they don't have one for a fiero . They have a muffler, the borla pro xs transverse for camaro/firebird which I think may fit .

BODY.......OVERALL LENGTH......INLET...OUTLETS.....PART#.........PRICE
10"X6" ............24"....................3"......2.5" DUAL....40474...........$129.99
10"X6" ............24"...................2.5"....2.5" DUAL.....40474...........$129.99

Any comments or other suggestion are appreciated
p.s. I know i will have to change the rest of the setup also .

They have one for Fiero. Look on the Fiero Store website.

Trust me I have a Fiero Specific Borla Cat back.

However are you willing to pay the cost of the Fiero catback?

[This message has been edited by Fierokid87 (edited 12-12-2004).]

I have the Borla set-up for my car. It does indeed exsist. I got mine from www.twinlakesfiero.com for over a hundred dollars less than the Fiero Store has it listed. But I'm not seeing it on the Twin Lakes site anymore, so I dunno.

Twin Lakes Fiero was selling the Borla's for $499.

They use to list them on Borla's site for $799, But since others were selling it for less, Borla stopped listing them.

Fierokid87:
Would you recommend the Borla sustem? What is your experience with the system, as I am also looking into this as a future add-on to my 88 GT (either one or both of them). Just looking for a little information on whether you thought it added enough extra power to make the job (or the price) worth the effort. Also, how much louder is the exhaust note? Thanks.

dont wast your money on it.

I put the one from Twin Lakes on my stock 85GT automatic, along with Rodney's CAT and SS hangers. I really like it but it is pricey. I can't say that the idle sounds all that good (I do have an exhaust manifold leak) but when I call on the RPMs, the growl is worth it.

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RickN
White 88GT 5spd
White 85GT Auto

I think its worth it. I mean the system will out last your car. And it has a nice rumble too it. And i think it helps in the power deppartment too.

I've had the Borla system on my 87 and 88 GT for several years. Bob at Twin Lakes did the install. They are worth it if you are planning on keeping your Fiero. You can't beat the stainless steel Borla system.

I think the borla is worth it if you get it from twin lakes, but paying anymore than that would be a waste. I purchased mine used from Orief up above, and I thought the difference from the stock exahust to the borla was amazing. Don't let people tell you that you will loose low end torque by freeing up the exhaust. I even put a straight pipe in where the cat was, and now I can spin my tires on my auto like nothing. Also the most improvement was on the top end, highway passing speeds, it was like a night and day difference. If I was looking for a bolt in aftermarket, ALL STAINLESS, million mile warrenty full exhaust system, Borla would be the choice for me. Oh, and did I mention the awsome sound this setup produces.

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It did sound wonderful, was a fantastic sound, but for the price its just not worth it IMO. The tips suck, you need to change those, theres another 50 bucks or so. You be better of getting a flowmaster and having a shop hook it all together.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: The tips suck, you need to change those, theres another 50 bucks or so. .

Just an FYI concerning exhaust tips. I hear about tips rusting all the time. I have an Ocelot exhaust on my 86. The ocelot tips are garbage as well from what I've heard. My system is about 3 years old and the tips still shine like new.

I bought the system from Oreif almost 2 years ago. He had been using car wax on the tips regularly to keep them shiny. He suggested I do the same so I did so, waxing them about once a month. It paid off because they still look great. It's all about maintenance.

Dave

quote Originally posted by ditch: Just an FYI concerning exhaust tips. I hear about tips rusting all the time. I have an Ocelot exhaust on my 86. The ocelot tips are garbage as well from what I've heard. My system is about 3 years old and the tips still shine like new. I bought the system from Oreif almost 2 years ago. He had been using car wax on the tips regularly to keep them shiny. He suggested I do the same so I did so Dave

The Borla is ALL stainless so there's no rust to worry about. The Ocelot is cheap chrome and rusts all the time.
As for the price of a Borla; most Borla systems for cars run a LOT more than $500 since other cars have a longer exhaust system so the Fiero system price is pretty reasonable by comparison. Also, when you get it from Twin Lakes, Bob does some work on them before you get them to make sure they fit right unlike other places so that too adds to the value since he sells them for the least ammount of money. Borla also has a million mile warrenty and has been dyno proven for 7 Hp gain. A flowmaster muffler is proven to give 5 HP gain and is a lot cheaper but once you factor in the price of getting a shop to install it it starts getting pretty close to the Borlas price. The Borla is something that you can install in your driveway if you have the right tools since it's essentially a bolt on, at least the way Bob sets them up anyway. Also about the Flowmaster in comparison to the Borla; the Flowmaster is pretty loud where as the Borla sounds better than stock but would by no means be objectionable to anyone with a badge on his/her chest. I like the sound of the Flowmaster on a Fiero myself but I could see how it could be objectionable to some.
On an 88 the value of the Borla is increased since it's much more difficult to install an aftermarket muffler on one of those because the muffler has to be modded to fit the cradle. The Borla system is ready to put on an 88 when you order one from Bob.
The look of the tips is, of course, a personal opinion type of problem. I like the look of the Borla tips and I think it looks much better on Golden86's car. His car also sounds much better and, even as a passenger, I can tell the car is slightly quicker.
In the end, the Flowmaster muffler is/can be done cheaper and it's only 2 HP different from the Borla but there are some pitfalls to getting one in the Fiero that you might not want to deal with. If you have a friend that's good with exhaust or works at an exhaust shop then this option can really be done cheap as the muffler itself only costs $80. However, getting the thing to fit right and getting the pipes to fit without causing a restriction is another matter.
The Borla is all ready to bolt up, is all stainless with warrenty, and won't bother the neighbors. As with all things, what's good for one isn't necassarily good for all.

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Ditto to what Dave said. I've had the Borla system on my car since 2000. The tips look fine to me, the exhaust note is great. What I like best is that it doesn't have a loud obnoxious drone when cruising on the highway, but it really roars when you want it to while going through the gears. I sure don't have to worry about ever buying another exhaust for my Fiero! Definitely worth getting.

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I lucked out a got my Borla for only $250.00 brand new from a Forum member. The bad thing is it was a system from the very first run and the fitment isnt perfect. The tips dont really fit up the notches of the rear fascia like they should and I agree the tips are not that great looking. But to fix my issue with the fitment,since I didnt like the tips, I changed tips by cutting after the 90 so I could position them up into the notched more. I cant complain for only $250.00 though and I would say even as full pric it is worth it being it will outlast your car.

Just an FWI, I got a ticket for loud exhaust with my Borla. I also got it from Bob, and the tips angled down, and looked like ass IMO. It is one of the best sounding exhausts out there though.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: , and the tips angled down, and looked like ass IMO. It is one of the best sounding exhausts out there though.

You must have been running with your foot down at an inoportune moment. Or, the cop had "sensitive ears".

It's all in how you mount the exhaust. Mine are tucked right up in the cutouts where they belong. I have straps from the muffler clamps directly to the frame (not the cradle). Of course I now have to unbolt these first, if I'm dropping the cradle.

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Fierosound,
I was going to ask about the exhaust system and how it is mounted. I know the stock exhaust system uses the springs. But does the borla not come with those brackets to put the springs on? I bought a spintech from WCF and i see that the stock muffler has springs and brackets welded onto the muffler. Do i have to cut the brackets off the stock muffler and weld them onto the spintech muffler? Or can i just go ahead and put the muffler in and not worry about the springs on the muffler? Help me out here becuase im not sure.

quote Originally posted by daniel87fierogt: Fierosound, I was going to ask about the exhaust system and how it is mounted. I know the stock exhaust system uses the springs. But does the borla not come with those brackets to put the springs on? I bought a spintech from WCF and i see that the stock muffler has springs and brackets welded onto the muffler. Do i have to cut the brackets off the stock muffler and weld them onto the spintech muffler? Or can i just go ahead and put the muffler in and not worry about the springs on the muffler? Help me out here becuase im not sure.

I bought mine from Twin Lakes and they modify them to fit like the stock unit. They add the spring mounting brackets, cut the exhaust tips loose so that they can be adjusted up and down under the body work, and cut the tips off at an angle

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RickN
White 88GT 5spd
White 85GT Auto

quote Originally posted by daniel87fierogt: Fierosound, I was going to ask about the exhaust system and how it is mounted. I know the stock exhaust system uses the springs. But does the borla not come with those brackets to put the springs on?

The factory exhaust support system is "over engineered".

My Borla system came with all the necessary brackets that needed to be welded on. I didn't. I have spring hangers only on the front exhaust pipe at the "corners" on either side of the catalytic convertor as with the original. At the rear, I have nothing at all on the muffler. Instead I have 2 stainless steel muffler clamps and regular muffler support straps. The straps are clamped to the pipe right at the bend toward the tips. The upper end of the strap is bolted to the frame. I originally had it bolted to the cradle but it didn't hold the exhaust "high enough" in the facia openings.

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quote Originally posted by fierosound: You must have been running with your foot down at an inoportune moment. Or, the cop had "sensitive ears". It's all in how you mount the exhaust. Mine are tucked right up in the cutouts where they belong. I have straps from the muffler clamps directly to the frame (not the cradle). Of course I now have to unbolt these first, if I'm dropping the cradle.

I had a straight pipe where the cat went, which may have been the reason. It was VERY loud at anything above idle. Even idle was loud. Lovely sound though!! Miss that sound when it went above 5 grand

interested in buying a borla?

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/022520.html

quote Originally posted by RickN: I bought mine from Twin Lakes and they modify them to fit like the stock unit. They add the spring mounting brackets, cut the exhaust tips loose so that they can be adjusted up and down under the body work, and cut the tips off at an angle

This is what I did to mine, cut the tips in the stock location so they can be angled differantly to fit in the cut outs. Changed to the stock GT tips for a better look. Also changed the moutning straps to make them shorter to pull the tips up into the cutouts also.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: I had a straight pipe where the cat went, which may have been the reason. It was VERY loud at anything above idle. Even idle was loud. Lovely sound though!! Miss that sound when it went above 5 grand

NOW we know the whole story

A "Cat Back" exhaust is designed with a catalytic convertor in use. Remove the "cat" and it WILL be louder. I'm running with the cat, have a deep low idle, that changes to a roar under acceleration and a purr when at highway cruise. A perfect combination, I think

PS - never even had a cop look my way because of exhaust noise when I drive by

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quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: ... Changed to the stock GT tips for a better look...

I'll probably do that too in the near future, I just didn't have a nice looking set cleaned up at the time of installation. The Borla tips are OK, I just prefer the megaphone style stock tips.

quote Originally posted by fierosound: NOW we know the whole story A "Cat Back" exhaust is designed with a catalytic convertor in use. Remove the "cat" and it WILL be louder. I'm running with the cat, have a deep low idle, that changes to a roar under acceleration and a purr when at highway cruise. A perfect combination, I think PS - never even had a cop look my way because of exhaust noise when I drive by

Yeah that sucka was loud. It was louder than my V8 which doesnt even have a muffler. Im not knocking the sound, I loved the sound, it was incredibly mean sounding, I just dont think its worth what you pay for it. From a performance point anyway, I didnt really notice any difference. Top end was a little better, but nothing to write home about.

Bur DEFFINETLY an awsome sound!!

So I wonder how this system would sound on a 3.4 dohc without a cat and would it flow enough?
wheelie

quote Originally posted by WHEELIE: So I wonder how this system would sound on a 3.4 dohc without a cat and would it flow enough? wheelie

Twin Lakes represents it as being used for there 3800 swap

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RickN
White 88GT 5spd
White 85GT Auto

Right after christmas I will definatley buy a borla cat back system for twin lakes !