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Isuzu 5speed shift problems help. by Black-Azz-GT
Started on: 04-11-2005 09:01 AM
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Last post by: NotAFieroAnyLonger on 05-27-2005 05:48 PM
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Report this Post04-11-2005 09:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
I just picked up my car after the 4.9/Isuzu swap. Everything is ood except when I put my car in 1st gear, it goes into what feels like 3ed. When I take off in first it can get up to like 70 mph. Is there a certain way that the linkage must be reattached? This is the same tranny that I had on my 3.4 that was flawless.

On a side not, when I first cranked it up and drove it, it was taking off in an even higher gear. We messed with the shifter some and got it down to third wich is drive able. What causes this? Is there some adjustment I need to make? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Report this Post04-11-2005 09:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post
just sounds like your selector cable is out of adjustment

but its possible a shift fork inside the tranny is broken

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Report this Post04-11-2005 09:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
I hope it's not internal. There are no unusual noises coming from the tranny either. This sucks!
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Report this Post04-11-2005 09:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JdlogSend a Private Message to JdlogDirect Link to This Post
I suspect you already have it but, if not, I can try to scan and send you the related pages in the 86 factory shop manual. Let me know.

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Report this Post04-11-2005 10:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Jdlog:

I suspect you already have it but, if not, I can try to scan and send you the related pages in the 86 factory shop manual. Let me know.

Beno

That would be awesome. Remember this is an isuzu 5spd. + to you.

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Report this Post04-11-2005 11:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JdlogSend a Private Message to JdlogDirect Link to This Post
Yup, mine has the same Isuzu 5sp...tied to a heavy duty rubber band (aka Iron Duke).

I'll have to get home by noon and see what I can get you right away. The scans may not be straight but they should look sharp. The book is falling apart. I got it 2nd hand with creases, grease smudges and all (I am sure the scanner will enhance these for your viewing pleasure).

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Report this Post04-11-2005 11:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroMaster88Send a Private Message to FieroMaster88Direct Link to This Post
It's got to be your select cables. Make sure they are adjusted right and that the shift arms on the transmission are not hitting on anything.

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Report this Post04-11-2005 11:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
Is there a certain procedure for adjusting the cables?
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Report this Post04-11-2005 11:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for kyoteClick Here to visit kyote's HomePageSend a Private Message to kyoteDirect Link to This Post
Sounds like the problem I had after my swap.
Check to make sure the linkage is attached to the tranny the correct way...
Mine wasnt.. ended up I only had 3rd 4th 5th & rev...
the linkage goes ON TOP of the Cable support bracket...not between the bracket and the tranny.
I switched mine around..and shifts like its supposed to now....

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Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT:

Is there a certain procedure for adjusting the cables?

losen the nut holding the end to the trans arm.. then put the trans into 1st,
then move the shifter lever to 1st.. then tighten the nut

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Report this Post04-11-2005 12:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by kyote:

Sounds like the problem I had after my swap.
Check to make sure the linkage is attached to the tranny the correct way...
Mine wasnt.. ended up I only had 3rd 4th 5th & rev...
the linkage goes ON TOP of the Cable support bracket...not between the bracket and the tranny.
I switched mine around..and shifts like its supposed to now....

This is exactly how mine is acting. Did your shifter go intop 1st and second but not really be in those gears?

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Report this Post04-11-2005 12:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for kyoteClick Here to visit kyote's HomePageSend a Private Message to kyoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT:


This is exactly how mine is acting. Did your shifter go intop 1st and second but not really be in those gears?


I THOUGH it was..felt like it was..but actaully wasnt..
I took the cables off the shift levers and shifted it at the tranny by hand.. and could see the problem then.

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Report this Post04-11-2005 01:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JdlogSend a Private Message to JdlogDirect Link to This Post
Ok, I had a quick bite while scanning these a few minutes ago so they may still reek of garlic.
http://www.nicx.com/fierohlp/Fiero86_ManTrans.zip

This file has 6 scans (one per full page of section) at high DPI so you can see the details better. About 20 megs total.

I would also recommend that you get the parts catalog PDF that was just kindly pointed to in here:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/061638.html

Along the past 2 years, I've managed to find enough detail by consulting both, the shop manual and the catalog (and Chilton's, and the forum and heavens...but that's because I am a bit dumb).

With the amount of people that are helping you should soon be in good shape. Have fun!

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Report this Post04-11-2005 03:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 86fieroEarlSend a Private Message to 86fieroEarlDirect Link to This Post
Mine did the same thing when I first started my car. It turned out to be the cables on the shifter was backwards( The ones inside the car) ... I dont think the shifter assembly on the tranny is hitting anything. You don't have a crossover to interfere.


It could also be the linkage adjustment on the transmission shifter assembly. That's if you guys removed it any when the tranny was out of the car. It can also be that the shifter assembly on the tranny might of got bent when putting it in ( easy to do if not careful)


The goodnews is it's not internal... A broken shiftfork would make it nearly impossible to shift or disengage the clutch.

So in my opinion it's either the shifter assembly inside the car backwards or something not adjusted properly.

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Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:

Mine did the same thing when I first started my car. It turned out to be the cables on the shifter was backwards( The ones inside the car) ... I dont think the shifter assembly on the tranny is hitting anything. You don't have a crossover to interfere.


It could also be the linkage adjustment on the transmission shifter assembly. That's if you guys removed it any when the tranny was out of the car. It can also be that the shifter assembly on the tranny might of got bent when putting it in ( easy to do if not careful)


The goodnews is it's not internal... A broken shiftfork would make it nearly impossible to shift or disengage the clutch.

So in my opinion it's either the shifter assembly inside the car backwards or something not adjusted properly.

You just made my day. I feel much more confident now.

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Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:
The goodnews is it's not internal... A broken shiftfork would make it nearly impossible to shift or disengage the clutch.

a shift fork is not a clutch fork - clutch fork is in the bellhousing - shiftfork is inside the casing..
a broken shift fork will in no way effect disengaging the clutch

i still think his cables are just out of adjustment - but he won't know till he gets in there and plays with it

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Originally posted by Kohburn:


a shift fork is not a clutch fork - clutch fork is in the bellhousing - shiftfork is inside the casing..
a broken shift fork will in no way effect disengaging the clutch

i still think his cables are just out of adjustment - but he won't know till he gets in there and plays with it


My bad Kohburn ..... I mistakened the clutch fork from the shifting fork. I stumbled upon his thread and seen he had the same problem I did And kind of speed read all of it except for his post. I still doubt the shift fork is hte problem A shift fork would still make it hard to go into all the gears properly or jump out of gear wouldn't it?... if it worked when his 3.4 was in. My money is on something that's out of adjustment or cables backwards.

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Report this Post04-12-2005 11:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
Bump. I had starting problems last night after messing with the timing and found some burt spark plug wires. Today I will change the wires and plugs and fire it up again. Then I will try to figure out this shift problem.

Does any one else have any advice or information.

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nope - it either out of adjustment or something broke inside since you said it worked fine behind the 3.4
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Report this Post04-14-2005 06:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for kyoteClick Here to visit kyote's HomePageSend a Private Message to kyoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey Black-Azz.... whats the update on the shifting problem???

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Originally posted by kyote:

Hey Black-Azz.... whats the update on the shifting problem???

Ditto... Is it running? Hope yes

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