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Need some advice with N2O and fuel pressure by goatnipples2002
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I just bought a fuel pressure gauge and it sits at 40 with just the key in the on position, roughly 38 with the engine running. So since my N2O setup is in my trunk I have no way to see my fuel pressure at WOT. Is it safe to assume my WOT fuel pressure is 47psi?
(BP=bottle pressure, FP=fuel pressure)

NX says run 41N 24F @ 1100 BP and 47 FP
My BP is 900ish so the calculator says run 41N 23F if the FP is 40-45, but run a 22F if FP is 46-47psi

I don't have a 23F so I just ran a 22F and boy that was a hell of a difference. Will the difference between a 22F and a 23F cause me problems?
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Report this Post07-12-2006 09:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
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Report this Post07-13-2006 12:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero2m8Click Here to visit Fiero2m8's HomePageSend a Private Message to Fiero2m8Direct Link to This Post
I'll assume a few things here - correct me if I'm wrong:

1. You are using a V6 stock fuel pump that to quote Archie "puts out a little over 40psi" (My LT1 also requires a 41-47psi pump.)
2. BP should ideally be 950-1000 psi.
3. You are using a wet NX kit.

You could watch the fuel pressure guage while moving the throttle by hand - my experience is that it is normal for the pressure to drop 5-7psi on EFI engines while the engine is running.

Leaning out the fuel jets would give you a noticeable increase in power but could also end in tears.
My suggestion is to check the plugs (all of them) for the proper colour (slight blueish).
Unless they are perfect switch back to the larger fuel jets.

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Report this Post07-13-2006 12:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
you are right the BP should be 1050psi but I have no bottle warmer. So I have to deal with 900psi and if I am going to keep it at the temp I will have to adjust my fuel accordingly, but I was wondering about the 22F or the 23F jet.
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Report this Post07-13-2006 01:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero2m8Click Here to visit Fiero2m8's HomePageSend a Private Message to Fiero2m8Direct Link to This Post
I was just checking the NX site - check this out

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Instructions/gmjetting.pdf

Basically if your engine has a fuel pump that is 41-47 psi, count on 43.5 psi as your pressure.
At WOT with little vacuum you should have 42psi or more.

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Report this Post07-13-2006 03:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
So is the difference between the 22 and 24 jet a need for alarm?
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Report this Post07-13-2006 07:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Paul PrinceSend a Private Message to Paul PrinceDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by goatnipples2002:

So is the difference between the 22 and 24 jet a need for alarm?


Anytime you lean a nitrous engine you should be concerned. The only way to know for sure is to put the car on a chassis dyno with a wideband O2 sensor.
I had a NX wet on a 88 Fiero and the dyno showed a AF ratio of 10 (very rich), I finally used a 41N 18F to get a 75hp shot, but this was confirmed by the wideband. I think it cost me $75 for the dyno runs.
Better to be safe than sorry.............Paul

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Report this Post07-13-2006 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero2m8Click Here to visit Fiero2m8's HomePageSend a Private Message to Fiero2m8Direct Link to This Post
^^^what he said^^^

I think that the calculator is usually slightly rich for stock engines for safety.
Until you can do some proper tuning, my advice would be to pick up the correct jet in your guide (23F)
and run that as your baseline.

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Report this Post07-13-2006 11:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jb1Send a Private Message to jb1Direct Link to This Post
wanting to run 75 shot? just check your plugs, keep close eye on lean condition but i honestly dont think you will have much to worry about.

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Report this Post07-13-2006 01:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
Here is the calculator
http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/installation_instructions/jet_calculator/nitrousjetcalc.asp

It says run a 23F at 45psi or less and run a 22 for 46-47psi.
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Report this Post07-13-2006 01:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero2m8Click Here to visit Fiero2m8's HomePageSend a Private Message to Fiero2m8Direct Link to This Post
Thanks for the calculator - plus for you!

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Report this Post07-13-2006 02:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
If I put my car on jackstands and run through the gears while someone watches my FP gauge would that be accurate?
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Report this Post07-13-2006 03:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero2m8Click Here to visit Fiero2m8's HomePageSend a Private Message to Fiero2m8Direct Link to This Post
last year, I used 200mph tape to attached the guage to the back window and my passenger watched it while I was driving.
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Report this Post07-13-2006 04:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
My FP gauge is in my trunk with my relay and solenoids. So my only option is to rev the motor. I was told that to check fuel pressure you do it with the key in the "on". Either way I reved my motor to see how high it would go but even reving to redline I got nothing above 40psi.

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