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SBC Experts - What Can I Expect from This Configuration? by Saxman
Started on: 10-10-2006 06:12 PM
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Report this Post10-10-2006 06:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
I found out that the engine in my latest project does NOT have Vortec heads like the seller (Yons at Yon's Racing) said it did. I talked to Yons a couple of days ago and he said that he is sure the engine was rated at 330hp, but I am still waiting for him to tell me what engine it really is. He said he would call back. Does anyone know him or his wife "Bluegin?"

I called Summit today and they don't have a non-Vortec engine rated at 330hp.

So, my question is, can an engine with head casting 462624 (along with "Hencho Mexico") on the top be part of a 330hp crate engine? If so, I wonder which crate engine these heads came with and waht the HP/TQ ratings are. The block says casting #10066036 and my search shows a 350.....Target Master/Goodwrench crate motor, 2-piece rear seal, "Hecho en Mexico."

As far as my research has taken me, the heads have 76 cc combustion chambers and could be either 1.94 intake / 1.50 exhaust or the smaller valve version.

What kind of power should I expect from a crate engine like this? I can't find anything else on it. I went on some Chevy Engine forums and they thinks it is just the same rating as the LM1 - another generic crate engine (which I already have in my Fino).

Any help?
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Report this Post10-10-2006 06:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for typhoonSend a Private Message to typhoonDirect Link to This Post
About 270 HP
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Report this Post10-10-2006 06:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
462624.....75-86...350/400......76cc chamber, 1.72/1.5, 1.94/1.5 or 2.02/1.6 valves
http://www.mortec.com/castnum.htm

Have they been ported?
I'm pretty sure I have the same heads on mine. My block has been bored with 10-1 pistons, I have been told 40 and 60 over (the number keeps getting bigger every time I talk to the person that owned it before ). Mild port and polish with a Holley dominator intake. I was told it should make around 340 at the crank. I wont claim that until I have the sheet from a dyno.
That will have to wait till after the clutch has been replaced.

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Report this Post10-10-2006 07:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GKDINCSend a Private Message to GKDINCDirect Link to This Post
Sounds like the LM-1 to me, I have one bought from Summit, I'm feeling you were misslead. But it only takes minor changes to build HP with these motors.
Good Luck.
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Report this Post10-10-2006 07:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
Thanks, Guys. Speaking of the LM1 - I am hearing its horsepower rating is somewhere between 220 and 270 with around 300 tq lbs. What have you found?
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Report this Post10-10-2006 07:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GKDINCSend a Private Message to GKDINCDirect Link to This Post
I would hope for 220 stock, With a good intake and headers, I would think alittle more. Those heads seem to be down on the totompole as far as the one's to have. But they seem to come on stock crate motors. I even own a rebuilt long block from a local speed shop with the same heads on it. It does have a little cam, double roller chain, and bored to .60 over (which is not what I paid for. Told him nothing over .30) And I can feel a difference in power.
I just hate to hear you didn't get what you bought.
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Report this Post10-11-2006 06:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
I just hope that Yons gets back to me with the engine details soon. I called again yesterday and his friend took my message, but no returned call yet...
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Report this Post10-11-2006 11:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
I know 220 - 260 isnt what you paid for but its still good in a Fiero

You dont want to get too crazy you wont be able to keep it on the road. Put too big of a cam in it and you can bump the numbers up but then you cant drive it down the street.
Good luck hope you get it figured out. Most of all get it running and enjoy it.
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:I know 220 - 260 isnt what you paid for but its still good in a Fiero

You dont want to get too crazy you wont be able to keep it on the road. Put too big of a cam in it and you can bump the numbers up but then you cant drive it down the street.
Good luck hope you get it figured out. Most of all get it running and enjoy it.


Thanks, Jake. I'm just having flashbacks on all the lies that GT40Cory told me about the Fino last year. At least I know he (Cory Reynolds) can't sell any more of his cars now that everyone knows how dishonest he is. (https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/051535.html)

Viva la V8 Fiero!
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Report this Post10-11-2006 04:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Alex4mulaSend a Private Message to Alex4mulaDirect Link to This Post
I think that buying a Fiero with an engine swap is a risky Russian roulette unless you know very close the owner. After building my own I know I wouldn't buy one blind unless veeeery cheap. So many things to be done wrong. You are a brave man to buy two of these! Not only to deal with the unknown of the swap but then with dishonest sellers trying to inflate the product Oh well. Good thing is that as mentioned you can always upgrade here an there and get better
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Report this Post10-11-2006 04:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Alex4mula:

I think that buying a Fiero with an engine swap is a risky Russian roulette unless you know very close the owner. After building my own I know I wouldn't buy one blind unless veeeery cheap. So many things to be done wrong. You are a brave man to buy two of these! Not only to deal with the unknown of the swap but then with dishonest sellers trying to inflate the product Oh well. Good thing is that as mentioned you can always upgrade here an there and get better


risky yes, but, can be VERY cost effective. you never get back what you put in. and, you can always fix what you no like.
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risky yes, but, can be VERY cost effective. you never get back what you put in. and, you can always fix what you no like.


Oh yes I agree. That's why I said getting it very cheap. But I wouldn't suggest this route to someone that doesn't know how to do this swap and will rely on mechanics to help him out. I have seen very nice SBC Fieros at the mall for around $4K. That's the price of kit and engine even if it is a lame one
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Report this Post10-11-2006 05:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
 
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Oh yes I agree. That's why I said getting it very cheap. But I wouldn't suggest this route to someone that doesn't know how to do this swap and will rely on mechanics to help him out. I have seen very nice SBC Fieros at the mall for around $4K. That's the price of kit and engine even if it is a lame one


Paid $1000 for mine then moved it to my GT
I wouldnt have cared if the motor was shot all of the parts were there to do the install, but the motor does run.

I think its fixable as soon as he finds out what he has and can get it running. Hang in there, its worth it in the end.
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Report this Post10-11-2006 06:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:risky yes, but, can be VERY cost effective. you never get back what you put in. and, you can always fix what you no like.


Yes - all the work of powder coating, putting Por-15 everywhere else underneath and adding Poly parts is worth the $ for sure.
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I got the new intake gasket and temp sensor today. This sensor looks even smaller than the one I bought last week. I should be able to put it all back together on Sunday or Monday since I will be working at the Air Force Memorial dedication just outside the Pentagon on Friday and Saturday...
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Report this Post10-17-2006 07:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MEL H. JOHNSONSend a Private Message to MEL H. JOHNSONDirect Link to This Post
I'm sure glad the deal fell thru , I was trading my 64 Impala , lowrider, for yons car !!!!! Good luck Andrew !!!!! MEL
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Originally posted by MEL H. JOHNSON:I'm sure glad the deal fell thru , I was trading my 64 Impala , lowrider, for yons car !!!!! Good luck Andrew !!!!! MEL


Mine was still a good deal, but if I put in as much $ as your Impala, that would have been terrible. As it is, he is not honest about the sale and told me not to call him any more. I guess that about sums up the honesty in this sale.

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