summit has spring lock an fittings, but im not sur if they will work on the fuel rail or not. anybody know?

http://store.summitracing.c...491+115&autoview=sku

doubt it, just use the stock ones, they work fine, unless your hell bent on threading a fitting into them.

i dont have any stock ones. just the fuel rail

It's tough to tell from the picture, but the plastic retaining fitting shown is just like what goes on the rail. You might try placing a call to Summit or to Russell and see if that part number is specifically for connecting to GM fuel lines.

Gary

Edit: went back and re-read the product description, it sounds like it will work.

[This message has been edited by gladiator (edited 04-01-2007).]

Call Russel technical department and ask them . These sure look like they might fit. If they do I'll use them too.

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I remember looking into those, and I think they will work. From what I remember you will also need a 5/16 in one for the other rail connection. I was trying to figure out the rest of the connections to the existing Fiero lines, which I think are called "Rockwell" thread? You may be able to just cut the ends off and use flared/ compression fittings. If you get it all together please post what worked for you.

[This message has been edited by Ken_86gt (edited 04-01-2007).]

i called summit and talked to somebody that went and got one. it says on the package for lt1,ls1 etc. i dont think its the right size spring lock connection

Actually the LS rails are the same as ours, so if I remember right, they work fine for it.

Remember summit doesnt even realize that people care about L67's.

they only have one size, 10mm spring clip. wont we need 2 different sizes since the return is smaller? the 3/8 &5/16 is just the threaded portion on the other side

[This message has been edited by Hurricane (edited 04-01-2007).]

ahh yes, if its only one size then thats not going to work.

Weird thing is I was going to buy a ls1 fuel rail adapter setup for mine, but when I was looking for them they were $45 a peice.

I went and researched this because I think this is the way I want to go. If you go to www.russellperformance.com and click on the link for their automotive line, you can download the latest catalog at the bottom of the page. On page 33 I found the part number you were talking about (640850). Right under it is the part number 640860 which says its for 5/16" line so there you go, two different sizes for the L67 fuel rail. The description on Summit's site is probably just a typo.

You still have to adapt to the lines coming from the tank. I believe the thread sizes for this are M16 x 1.50 for the supply and M14 x 1.50 for the return. My car started off as a v-6 so the 4 cylinder may be different. Anyway, Russell has adapters for this: P/N - 648060 and 648070 respectively. These are on the same page in the catalog. All fittings use a -6AN hose so all you have to do is get 4 hose ends (in addition to the 4 adapters) and then figure out how long your lines need to be.

BTW, Earls has the tank line adapters P/N - 991955ERL and 991954ERL. I sourced these locally. They don't offer the quick connect fittings so I am going to order them either tonight or tomorrow.

I guess I should state that I'm not 100% sure that this will work so if you want to wait and see how this turns out for me it might save you some headaches. It will probably be this weekend before I get things together.

Gary

please post back then, because if these will work, then i will definitely be using them

Look what FedEx brought me today:

Close-up of one of the fittings

[This message has been edited by gladiator (edited 04-04-2007).]

ive been holding off on my summit order until i heard back if these will fit. what are you using for your fuel filter? if using stock, what fittings will you be using to mate to the filter? my stock lines were rusted badly, so i need to figure out a setup from the tank to the fuel rail

I have a few more pics to post that might shed some light on your questions. I just need to figure out how to edit them for size. I cropped the last one and it ended up huge. Any input on this?

Gary

download this from micrsoft.

http://download.microsoft.c...zerPowertoySetup.exe

heres the page with the other free stuff you can get

http://www.microsoft.com/wi...oys/xppowertoys.mspx


just takes a second. you just right click your pictures and select resize. i use to hate having to resize with paint or photoshop, this way is a piece of cake

[This message has been edited by Hurricane (edited 04-04-2007).]

Tried to install it but I only have Windows 2K. Says I need XP. I'm done for tonight - LOST is on.

Gary

so do they fit?

what hose ends did you get?

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Incoming line hi side is a -6 an fitting ( I use the hard tube connector and use a push in barbed female on the hose)

The return line is a -4 an fitting.........good luck finding a hard tube connector for that! I am useing a couple of hose clamps for now...

how about an update, the suspense is killing me

Here's the latest:

I test-fitted all of the adapter fittings to the lines and the good news is they work. So if you use the part numbers in my second post, this will work. I didn't have time to make the hoses.

I think the only part number I didn't give is for the hose ends themselves. The Earl's part number is 800106ERL and you will need 4 of them. You could find equivalent pieces from Russell or ??

Now for my swap, I bit the bullet and went with ZZP rails ($$$). I put the rail with the regulator on the front (nearest the passenger compartment) which leaves the return line pointed towards the battery. I had to get creative to get both supply and return lines pointed in the same direction. To do this I replaced one of the fuel rail fittings with a 90 degree elbow and then straightened out the supply line that ZZP sent with their rails. Once I get some time to put all of this together and take some pictures, what I said will make alot more sense.

BTW, anybody know how to resize pics? The picture software we have doesn't seem to have that function.

Gary

I use a program called "irfanview" from here -> http://www.irfanview.com/ It's a small program, and seems to work well. If someone knows what the heck their icon is supposed to be, let me know! It looks like a roadkill cat with sunglasses on. When you open a picture, you just click "Image", then "Resize / Resample" and pick what size you want. (or enter whatever # you want for size) Then when you save as a .jpg image, you pick what compression you want. Most of the time you can make a picture size fairly large, and still keep the file size down. Good job on the sourcing of parts, I may need the info in the future! If I ever get back to the car...

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I have to use this on my GM forums and so I use it here also for some editing
http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html
If you don’t have a graphics program or even if you do, start by going to the following URL:

Tucows: Irfanview

Now choose your operating system and download it from the tucows mirror site closest to you.
Save the file someplace where you can find it to run the installation program.
If you need help with that, let me know and I will post more instructions.

The program is called Irfan View 3.85
For those of you who may be wondering, this is the program that the administrator posted a link to so you could handle digital pics.

Run the .exe program after you download it, mine was iview375.exe
A screen will come up, click next to keep promptinig through the installation, a window will be on the screen with lots of blank boxes. Those boxes will make the view program the default handler of those file types. It could mess up your other programs if you have other imaging software so unless you are sure you want that program to handle all those file types just leave it blank, they don’t need to be checked for the program to work.
Click next when your selections are complete.
Then click “done” when the program says “installation successful”.

You should now have an icon on your desktop that looks like a red squished cat.
Double click it, that will launch the program.
Now select open from the file menu.
Locate your image file and open it in the file window.
It should open the picture, and it may resize the window to the size of the image.
Now click the Image menu and go down to resize/resample and click it.

Preserve aspect ratio is checked, this means if you change the width the height will stay in proportion to whatever number you punch in.
The numbers under “set new size” are in pixels; make sure the pictures are no more than 640 wide. This ensures a good file size and display on the message board, I like to make them 600 just for good measure, you can make them even smaller if you like.
Now click ok.
If you want to overwrite your old file just click the disk icon at the top or click File then Save.
If you want to make a new file out of the modified picture click file, save as and give it a name, save it where you can find it.
Now you can post your modified picture on the forum and we can all see it on one screen.

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A.J. Whiteley

Let's try this again

What you're seeing is the end view of the fittings that go to the rails on the engine.

Gary

Well, I got the lines made-up and installed. Since the car is not running yet, I'll have to wait to see if I have any leaks.

First, I had to get the ZZP-provided supply line to point in the same direction as the return port. The silver line sticking up used to be a 90 deg bend.


I straightened it a little and replace the straight 3/8 npt x -6AN fitting with a 90 deg fitting.

what are you doing about the fuel lines from the tank to those fittings? curious as I have to do the same in the next week.

Some pics of the finished lines:
The return line


The supply line


Both lines installed


I also had to straighten the tank lines to make them point straight up the firewall. I didn't measure but I think I used less than 2 ft of braided line.

Gary

It might make sense to pick up the fuel supply at the output side of the fuel filter and run the braided fuel lines fron there. If you mate to the the neoprene Fiero lines coming from the filter then you are leaving an old supply line in place. IMO, not good!