seems that the intercoooler is tied into the factory coolent system so its recirculating engine temp coolent thru the intercooler it has its own frontmount but its still tapped into the engine cooloing system, seems like its defeating the purpose i need to know which coolent bottle guys run for the fiero and where to mount it my pump is mounted in the trunk on the pass side
its not the same system as the coolant. where ever you got that from is wrong. its a sealed system uses it own front mount heat exchanger and a 12v pump. you dont realy need a res but the added collent will not hurt
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
its not the same system as the coolant. where ever you got that from is wrong. its a sealed system uses it own front mount heat exchanger and a 12v pump. you dont realy need a res but the added collent will not hurt
your assuming that the previous owner installed it correctly....
If what you say is indeed true, yes its completely pointless to circulate 200ish degree coolant through your intercooler core. Belive it or not, coolant serves 2 things in your motor, keeping it cool, and keeping it a constantly warm temperature that reduces power loss through loss heat.
The intercooler should have its own coolant bottle, its own core installed up front, and its own electric pump. The exit air temperature on the blower is somthing around 250ish degrees, so if the intercooler core was 200+, then its pretty much defeating the idea of a cooler...
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
it has its own pump, and own front mount intercooler, but there tied into the the same system i beleive up frontby the radiator, ill look into it more, but im pretty sure that there together, it dosent make sence but ill look better to make sure maybe its just tied in at the overflow
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ignorant prodigy Member
Posts: 621 From: taunton, ma, usa Registered: Mar 2006
I run the Cobalt SS resovior that the W-Body sells inline with my system so I can add fluid when needed. It also takes the trouble of bleeding the air out of the system for you.
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
i just looked, the intercooler had an inlet and an outlet along with an over flow line on the top, the overflow line is tapped into the overflow on the main cooling system there is a T in the over flow out of the main radiator so they 2 systems are shreing the one overflow bottle should i get it its own overflow bottle? the temp of the intercooler hoses feels warmer than i think they should they feel about the same as the main radiator hoses shouldnt the inter cooler be signifigantly cooler? would it be if i put them on their own overflow tank?
ill look into that, on the fiero how is it set up on other peoples? resivor in the engine bay? then what? run the over flow all the way back? or cap it off at the intercooler?
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Jul 27th, 2007
darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
all of the IC installs I have done/seen have just used a chunk of clear tubing running vertical to the ground, an inline filler t somewhere around the highest point of the system, usually near the inlet of the pump.
Having a the chunk of tube T'ed into one of the lines, is basicly the best of both worlds, totally prevents cavitating and air in the system.
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
yes, i have a T in the system, it is back on the trunk side wall, near the pump should i make the system have its own resivor? or atleast disconnect it from the main cooling systems?
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
yes, i have a T in the system, it is back on the trunk side wall, near the pump should i make the system have its own resivor? or atleast disconnect it from the main cooling systems?
I dont remember doing anything with the "overflow" on my intercooler setups, so I would imagine that you can just disconnect that and have any "overflow" vent to the ground.
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
so now i have a t in the system and the over flow is connected to the factory overflow, im thinking of putting this in-line and maybe removing the T where the fill is, and installing this up front and connecting the overflow on the front mount to it? http://www.wbodystore.com/g...rvoir-kit-p-113.html
so now i have a t in the system and the over flow is connected to the factory overflow, im thinking of putting this in-line and maybe removing the T where the fill is, and installing this up front and connecting the overflow on the front mount to it? http://www.wbodystore.com/g...rvoir-kit-p-113.html
any thoughts on this?
this sounds like the setup uses the expansion tank for the A/W intercooler expansion as well. This is fine because the intercooler system hardly expands at all and if it does it adds to the hot coolant in the expansion tank.. it does not draw from it until it cools down. As long as the cooling system is completely separate from intercooler system (other than the overflow or expansion tank) you should be fine
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
thanks guys, it just seemed that the IC system seemed pretty warm for what it was doing, it felt to be the same as the engine coolent temp, (judging by feeling the hoses, and feeling the radiator and front intercooler radiator,
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Aug 31st, 2007
topcat Member
Posts: 5486 From: Charleston SC Registered: Dec 2001
I am in the process of installing my intercooler, and saw this thread... did you get the resevoir from the W Body store, and if so how is it working, where did you mount it, and lastly, how did you connect the lines to it?
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Most systems I have setup use a coolant T fitting, and a length of hose stretching above the highest point of the system. A "ice box" setup is not usually needed, unless your doing something that could benefit greatly from it.
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topcat Member
Posts: 5486 From: Charleston SC Registered: Dec 2001
Most systems I have setup use a coolant T fitting, and a length of hose stretching above the highest point of the system. A "ice box" setup is not usually needed, unless your doing something that could benefit greatly from it.
Ice box? The link to the W Body Store is for a small reservoir, not an ice box. WBS claims that the reservoir makes it a self bleeding system, and it looks like it obviously makes it easier to fill the system. Where is your reference to ice box coming from?
Ice box? The link to the W Body Store is for a small reservoir, not an ice box. WBS claims that the reservoir makes it a self bleeding system, and it looks like it obviously makes it easier to fill the system. Where is your reference to ice box coming from?
If you want to take all the hassle out of bleeding off your system, them get the reservoir that the W Body Store sells. Before I added it my my system in place of the filling T, it was a pain to get all the air out. With the resovior, it does all the work for you and takes all the air out on its own.
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topcat Member
Posts: 5486 From: Charleston SC Registered: Dec 2001
If you want to take all the hassle out of bleeding off your system, them get the reservoir that the W Body Store sells. Before I added it my my system in place of the filling T, it was a pain to get all the air out. With the resovior, it does all the work for you and takes all the air out on its own.
Thanks for the info. How is it plumbed? It looks like it has an inlet and outlet, and a tube for an overflow?
Thanks for the info. How is it plumbed? It looks like it has an inlet and outlet, and a tube for an overflow?
Thats it--Goes in one side/out the other with a little overflow outlet coming off it. It makes the filling process about 95% easier than just using the T-type filler. I put mine on the return hose right after a 90* hose coming off the core.