I searched & found firing order for dukes, so I named this thread so that others can find it for V6s.
Not just the timming order, though. My friend did the header gasket job on the rebody, which included removing one head to drill out the bolts.
Now it won't start. I need:
1) Firing order. The Haynes (which I hate) says 123456.
2) Numbering of cylinders on the block. The Haynes (which I hate) says 135 is on the *back* near the trunk. Is that right?
3) The position of the #1 wire in the dist. cap. The Haynes (which I hate) dosen't even give you that info!
It may be that he dropped in the dist with the rotor slightly off, but I can determine that once I find out everything else. Did I mention I hate the Haynes? LOL. (I copied & pasted that part of the sentences) I can hardly ever find anything in it. In my Harley manual it dosen't even tell you how to static time it: only how to time it if it's running!
TIA,
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

using the ign module as a refrence, the terminal on the right side is 1, then clockwise from there is 23456. the pulley side of the engine is the front, so the plugs near the trunk are 135 right to left, and the rear are 246 right to left. to set static timing you (I, personally) use the tooth second from the lowest from the tube thing at the top. it wont start or wont start well if you time it at that mark(the tube). the mark i use is roughly 10 degrees which is stock but if you run 93 just put it nearest to the bottom mark without going over. my car wont leave a consistant timing mark so it kind of fluctuates a degree or so.

o and do all this while in diag mode, so jumper a and b on the connector. its the two pins isolated from all the other pins.

i think the confusion in the books comes from your natural instinct to call where the throttle is the front, and then work left to right, where the picture in the book and other cars has the throttle on the pulley side. theyre all using the same crappy pic of 3 rectangeles called an engine with numbers in it and a circle for the dist.

[This message has been edited by megafreakindeth (edited 12-27-2007).]

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: I searched & found firing order for dukes, so I named this thread so that others can find it for V6s. Not just the timming order, though. My friend did the header gasket job on the rebody, which included removing one head to drill out the bolts. Now it won't start. I need: 1) Firing order. The Haynes (which I hate) says 123456. 2) Numbering of cylinders on the block. The Haynes (which I hate) says 135 is on the *back* near the trunk. Is that right? 3) The position of the #1 wire in the dist. cap. The Haynes (which I hate) dosen't even give you that info! It may be that he dropped in the dist with the rotor slightly off, but I can determine that once I find out everything else. Did I mention I hate the Haynes? LOL. (I copied & pasted that part of the sentences) I can hardly ever find anything in it. In my Harley manual it dosen't even tell you how to static time it: only how to time it if it's running! TIA, ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"

1) Thats correct
2)Thats correct, #1 being toward the front of the engine
3)You can place the #1 wire wherever you like on the cap. I suggest getting TDC compresion on cyl. 1 and dropping in the dist.

Don't know wich Haynes you have but in mine it's on page 29 bottom right
Th firing order 123456 and the no 1 is right where they say
trunk bank from water pump ( front of the engine ) is 1-3-5 and firewall from front is 2-4-6

quote Originally posted by megafreakindeth: using the ign module as a refrence, the terminal on the right side is 1, then clockwise from there is 23456. the pulley side of the engine is the front, so the plugs near the trunk are 135 right to left, and the rear are 246 right to left. to set static timing you (I, personally) use the tooth second from the lowest from the tube thing at the top. it wont start or wont start well if you time it at that mark(the tube). the mark i use is roughly 10 degrees which is stock but if you run 93 just put it nearest to the bottom mark without going over. my car wont leave a consistant timing mark so it kind of fluctuates a degree or so. o and do all this while in diag mode, so jumper a and b on the connector. its the two pins isolated from all the other pins. i think the confusion in the books comes from your natural instinct to call where the throttle is the front, and then work left to right, where the picture in the book and other cars has the throttle on the pulley side. theyre all using the same crappy pic of 3 rectangeles called an engine with numbers in it and a circle for the dist.

Ignition module: you mean the part you can't see when the cap is on?
The confusion comes from GM using the right side for # 1. I always consider the front to be the pully end. On the cars I've worked on, the left front (driver's side) is the # 1 cylinder. Mostly Mopars I admit, but isn't the SBC the same way? Since I've often seen incorrect info in the Haynes, that's why I wondered if the "right side" was # 1.
I'll have to look up the jumper location when I get it running. I'm not used to working on computer-controlled cars.
Thanks,
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

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Hi, i had the same problem you have with my motor not starting because of timing issues. getting the ignition timing right was kind of hard for me. I did it by ignoring the manual and going by my own understanding of how it worked. Just know that the first spark post can be any place on the distributor, as long as it is followed by 2,3,4,5, and 6 (clockwise, of course).

Also, FYI, when you connect the wires, it helps to cross them over each other to avoid any problems caused by magnetic interference something-or-other that HAS ACTUALLY caused problems before.

-mike

Tha Driver:

Had the same problem recently. Perhaps this will help:

This is a picture of the cylinder numbering for the engine:



This shows the correct distributor orientation:

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Marc in sunny Titusville, FL

84 SE son's car, loaded
85 Coup w/V6 transplant
85 GT newly on the road
86 SE/GT conversion just bought - big plans!

like the above pic, the module is where the 2 connectors are under the cap so number 1 is on the right side of the module

just a trick for most gm motors. there is an offset for the heads, one being more foward (towards the pulley) than the other. the cylinder most foward is #1. I think that also works for most v configured domestic motors, but I'm sure there are exceptions, cause like every other rule, there always are.

quote Originally posted by tjm4fun: just a trick for most gm motors. there is an offset for the heads, one being more foward (towards the pulley) than the other. the cylinder most foward is #1. I think that also works for most v configured domestic motors, but I'm sure there are exceptions, cause like every other rule, there always are.

HEY! That actually makes sense!
Thanks again, everyone. I'll let you know how it works out.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Here is another diagram. This one shows the relative position the distributor should be in when it is installed correctly.

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quote Originally posted by tjm4fun: just a trick for most gm motors. there is an offset for the heads, one being more foward (towards the pulley) than the other. the cylinder most foward is #1. I think that also works for most v configured domestic motors, but I'm sure there are exceptions, cause like every other rule, there always are.

yep, that rule is followed by every V, boxer, or in line engine i've ever seen EXCEPT for old air cooled VW and Porshe engines.

OK.......
The saga continues....(but is almost over).
We found the whole problem with it not starting was the way my helper (following haynes manual directions!) adjusted the valves. No compression. So we pulled it back down I adjusted the valves myself, & we got it running. Now I need to set the ignition timming. The haynes manual says to jumper something, then check #1 then #4 & average the difference. Also to read some sticker that of course is not even on the rebody (& the other cars say the same as the manual: no setting whatsoever!). WTF?
(sigh)
Jeeze I wish I had a Chiltons.....
Anyone actually know how to adjust the timming & what to set it on? BTW it's an '86 V6.
Paul

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Here's a guide:
http://fierodomain.com/content/view/175/100/

And this pic will help if you're timing plate is cruddy, not sure who took it. The white stripe on the timing plate is where 10* is:

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Running like a top! THANKS EVERYONE!
Paul