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IMSA widebody breakdown by ccfiero350
Started on: 07-29-2008 12:20 AM
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Report this Post07-29-2008 12:20 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ccfiero350Send a Private Message to ccfiero350Direct Link to This Post
This maybe the first IMSA widebody UN-build on Pennock's.

The story starts like any other, I like the widebodies but I balked at the 5k to join the club. I did find a complete set of body panels from a member here on the list, but they were true race panels (very thin) and vintage. While figuring out what to do with the DSP parts another IMSA car came up for sell, or half an IMSA. So for the price of a IMSA front clip, I got a whole car.



The wheels did not come with the car, sigh. The car was an 85 GT with a 4 speed, good motor and a new clutch. But a deer took out the front end. Great northern climet interier, all the vinyl parts looked new. So I swapped them for my Texas warped crap.



The rear clip was held on by large sheet metal screws. Notice the crease in the frame above the door post. It was an omen, later on I find the car is way bent.



The rocker panels were held on by rivets and screws and copius mounds of body putty.



Both fenders have stress cracks here and there. I think I'm going to have the panels media blasted so I can attemp to get it sound again. Interesting thing here is the molding is part of the fender. I have another fastback IMSA and the molding is a seperate piece.



The molding on the door was screwed in by two sheetmetal screws and the lower rocker bolts to the front and rear fenders and over lapse onto the door sill. It was supposed to be riveted like the factory ones to the standing seam on the chassis but the fiberglass had no holes drilled for it. From what I hear you have to grind the ends of the rocker panel down to get it to fit between the fenders. Of the two pairs that I have, they are almost paper thin and easly damaged.



I did get one fender with the car but for some reason the back part was sawed off.



The inside shows the inner flange. The IMSA fenders is really just wider at the bottom, at the top the wheel open is lower but actually about the same distance from the chassis as a stock fender. The IMSA fender does have a different coke bottle shape to that I like, but I'll be opening the well up above the beltline like the real race fenders. I'll probably just cut out the flat part of the inner flange.



You re-use the factory panel behind the tail light by glueing it to a piece that part of the rear bumper. It makes for some crappy fit issues.



The bottom of the bumper looks just like a factory one.



Inside sail panels had fiber glass tabs to screw into.



They had an assortment of screws and rivets under the sail panels.



This car had both of the rear liners still. They did not fit really well, there was an 2" gap between the liner and the inside fender lip. I found rocks, gravel and packed silt all the way up to the door. Inside the rear fender in front of the tire, the fender wraps under the car about 6" making a terriific place to grow mushrooms.



Under the rear clip you can see how much they trimed off the bumper parts.



Here's that acre of mushroom farm inside the rear clip. You can see by the road grim silhouet of the fender liner.



The airbox was pretty crude, dryer hose and duct tape. The gas filler was just barely hanging on and was not sealed from the road grime getting past the fender liner. There was a lot of dirt around the gas cap.



The IMSA panels are just moments away from breaking away from what's left of the factory clip.



It appears the only cutting tool they had was a 4 1/2" grinder.




You can see the center bumper section, and the tail light part bolt to the fenders.



I'll have to really go back and get another factory clip and re-mount like Russ did his. It's the only way to keep all that glass from flapping around and get cracks again.



This was the last shot of the rear clip still in one piece. I had my daugter help me put it on the other car and we snapped the roof piece off. Looking close at the joint you could tell they used only resin and filler to attach the IMSA fender to about an inch of what was left of the under panel of the roof.

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Report this Post07-29-2008 08:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for whodeanieClick Here to visit whodeanie's HomePageSend a Private Message to whodeanieDirect Link to This Post
you never know what you are going to get!
good luck with the project it could be a nice car if you can fix all the isues.
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Report this Post07-29-2008 06:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Russ544Send a Private Message to Russ544Direct Link to This Post
Well... It's a start. it sure looked good in the first pic, but later on I see you have some work to do. It will be worth the effort however, just take your time and do it right.

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Report this Post07-29-2008 06:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ccfiero350Send a Private Message to ccfiero350Direct Link to This Post
The car did look real good in the pictures and about 10 feet away, but once your close enough to put your hands on it, ah crap! And when you start working on it, Oh %#*%!@^#

I found creases in the cowling at the base of the windshield in the middle, the upper door hinge has 4 washers as spacers on each bolt. The floor pan behind the drivers seat bulges up about 2 inches.

I drove it about 10 miles before parting it out and it felt like it was crapping down the road and the bump steer felt like some one shoving on the rear side ways.

Anyway I sold whats left of the car for about half what I had in it. I'm happy.

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Report this Post08-03-2008 11:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ccfiero350Send a Private Message to ccfiero350Direct Link to This Post
I had the red IMSA for a while then I came across this yellow one on Ebay. I was looking for a new front clip (about $1600 from Fiero Warehouse) which was pretty close for the starting bid for the whole car.

It is true what they say about owning fieros, own one, you will end up owning four. It's just stupid,, some one stop me ,,, please.



Here it is just off the trailer, 78K 86 GT auto. Looks good in the picture but the body is full of stress cracks and has been painted 4 times. The IMSA panels were originally silver, then factory yellow, then red, finally the bright yellow. Drives fine, has a new exhaust system including cat installed. It did have a biege interior but has been dyed black.



The IMSA panels are unique to me as the rear clip is one piece. The door panels with aero molding are one piece. The rear deck with with whale tail is all fibor glass including the inside structure panel. The nose and front fenders are the typical 3 pieces bolted together but the fenders do not have inner flanges like my one red fender. Also the rear fenders are really wide, wider then the red notchie.



The door panels attached by pop rivits on the bottom and they glued the nut plates to the inside skin for the torx screws.



The whale tail/fender fit was not all that great, this image is shown while the deck is latched down.



The trim molding on the rear fender is fibor glass and was screwed on. On the notchie it was molded into the fender. The front trim is molded into the front fender.


The top of the front wheel well opening on the stock fenders is about 3" from the front hood surface.


The IMSA fronts are considerably lower, droopy in my opion. This will be fixed later.

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Report this Post08-04-2008 01:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ccfiero350Send a Private Message to ccfiero350Direct Link to This Post
The door panels really made my head spin. What you can get today is just the aero molding. Anybody have an idea who made whole door panels? I have yet to find any numbers or ID on any panels.

The red pin striping is tape. I started being curious after peeling some off and did not find a seam next to the trim.



The nut plates were glued in by what looks like body putty. Half of them were gone.


The rear bumper and back half of the tail light mounting panel are one continous piece.


The rear trim under the tail lights was held by just two screws on either side. Also a fibor glass part.




The rear clip on the ground. From what I can see from the inside this was done in a single piece except for the 3 inside surface pieces.


One of the cracks that need fixing.



The tab that goes under the roof panel did not have any holes for the roof's pegs.


Inside the bumper/tail light area you can see it was molded as a single piece.


The scoops on this car were not opened.


The passenger side shows that a repair was made and fender sections were glassed in.


The top shows the inner surface of the C-pillar. It did have roof panel studs at one point.


Inside the C-pillar the details have been molded in expept for the very bottom piece of the sail panel inside trim.


The notchie and fastback side by side. Although I have not measured it, the fast back appears to be wider.


The fastback looks wider, yes? How many times have you seen two widebodys almost touching each other?


I did get my 88 GT rear clip on the parts car but had to call it a day when skies open up and the deluge began.


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Report this Post08-04-2008 05:35 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Chris HodsonSend a Private Message to Chris HodsonDirect Link to This Post
Fast back tail lights on that notchy IMSA would probably be the coolest thing in the world.
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The only reason why I'd get a widebody kit is to get the smaller wheel openings. At least then I wouldn't have to lower my car by 20" to close up that gap GM designed into the car.
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Report this Post08-04-2008 12:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ccfiero350Send a Private Message to ccfiero350Direct Link to This Post
The IMSA front fender showed evidance of tire rub on the car and it had stock wheel/tire and stock ride hieght. The track car is about 2 1/2" lower then stock and I will have a 7" or 8" wide rim on the front. I will probably have to flare it a little more when I open the hole up.

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I pulled out a DGP racing panel to compare and contrast with the widebody rear clip.


The racing panel is for an 86 GT fastback drag car.


It does have a little bit of flair but the rear clip has the mumps.




The opening is larger then the widebody for the drag slicks.


But when put up next to a regular tire the opening is not much bigger then stock

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