It has come to my attention that there are a few people on this forum that want to see time slips for my turbo LT1 car.. Though I do not normaly post them, i will take this opertunity to post a few slips and charts from setting up my car... Let's see if anyone knows why the numbers are what they are and what the reason for the runs were... If you are not a troll and have questions about the car, here is the place to ask them... My thoughts about sharing knowlage are the same now as when i was pro racing "You win on the track... not in the pits" Real racers help each other out in the pits when someone has a problem... Like i said.. if you are setting up a car and need info to help you along, ask away Although my expertise is in small block chevy motors, I like a lot of the other swaps as well... Those of you that know me know that i like to help... Those of you that troll me... well... your not any help to anyone... when you grow up you may realise how stupid you look to other people... This forum is for the exchange of information and discussion about Fieros... Not flame wars or trolling... Chuck
Here is a time slip from last week... Look at it carefully before commenting... car number is 109
and another from the same night... Again look at it carefully before commenting...
I will post a dyno sheet later... Have fun... Chuck
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Posts: 7403 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
I can see you are not using sticky tires. Those 60' times are terrible. My truck did 1.85 when it ran 13.8. I'm really interested to learn how you will make that power stick to the track. It will be a lot of fun then
could you translate those a bit, i cant make out the mph's and times that great.
Basicly your traps are horrid, you cant blame it on traction, or 60's though, so idk why your traps would be that low.
the second run of 12.7 at 100mph has me baffled, with a junk 60' because you cant do any better with a manual trans even if you tried.
The timeslip honestly looks like my friends honda that bounced off the rev limiter at 110, so he could only run low 12's with that car. Granted he was running a smaller turbo and 1/3 the displacement..
My 12.8 at 106 looks almost identical to yours, except you have a 1/8 mile trap of 9x, where mine is junk, like 85mph.
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For those that have a hard time reading the slips...
Judging by the power that the car is producing...compared to the times and trap speeds... I'd guess that the car has severe traction issues. I may be wrong...but that's what it looks like to me.
That being said...even IF the car only ran 19 second 1/4 mile times...It would still be one sexy car that I would be proud to own.
Ok, I will give some other hints.... There was no tire spin off the line... Just a nice easy rollout... Think of where the VHT ends at the strip... (VHT is a traction aid sprayed on the starting line by the track owners.) Chuck
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Why aren't you running it all the way to the end? A 91mph trap in the 1/8 should be more like 115ish in the 1/4. Are you even holding it out to the 1/8th? 'cause that isn't all that fast, obviously they weren't clean maximized runs for that setup.
Ok, I will give some other hints.... There was no tire spin off the line... Just a nice easy rollout... Think of where the VHT ends at the strip... (VHT is a traction aid sprayed on the starting line by the track owners.) Chuck
Ok...so you're having to baby it out of the hole to keep from breaking things due to the VHT vs.torque. And then...once out of the VHT...you blow the tires away on the 1-2 shift and it all goes downhill from there. Am I even getting close?
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MotorTV Member
Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
Why aren't you running it all the way to the end? A 91mph trap in the 1/8 should be more like 115ish in the 1/4. Are you even holding it out to the 1/8th? 'cause that isn't all that fast, obviously they weren't clean maximized runs for that setup.
What am I missing?
Bingo! This is the reply i was looking for... A real racer knows why these runs were made... A person who is sharp enough to see this is not an et or speed run has a good chance to learn... The guys that look at the run and say the car stinks have no hope to be a good racer... Let's see if anyone gets the complete answer... Chuck
I'll admit...I'm not really knowledgeable when it comes to drag racing...but I'm always willing to learn. So know I'm getting that these times were more or less intended...rather that results of trying to get the best possible ET. Bracket racing possibly?
...or should I shut up and quit guessing and just read?
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I'll admit...I'm not really knowledgeable when it comes to drag racing...but I'm always willing to learn. So know I'm getting that these times were more or less intended...rather that results of trying to get the best possible ET. Bracket racing possibly?
...or should I shut up and quit guessing and just read?
You are correct... They are not et runs.. top speed is to just to not hold up the other people waiting to run... I pretty much kept coasting for the last half of the run...
Not for bracket racing though. Chuck
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With close to 800HP on the getrag you can't exactly do a huge launch either can you?
This car has a single turbo exactly for that reason... high tourque and horsepower come on just after launching.. These slips are just slow rollout starts, not my standard launch.. Chuck
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Posts: 3172 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Registered: Oct 2006
Who me? lol na... just seeing who can figure it out... I have a plan.... And a dyno sheet to post... Real racing requires knowing the whys behind the whats... And the question is why only run hard for part of the track on cold tires (slow start) Things are not always as they seem at first glance... Chuck
Edit because i forgot a why...LOL Things are not always as the seem at first glance...
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why even go to the track and waste your time if your not even going to run the car? I mean, your 1/8 et is dead dead on for a high 12, your traps are off, more around the mid to low 12 area, your 1/4 trap is just dumb, and your 60's are not GREAT for a nice run, but still not horrid. You are not going to get faster than a 1.9 60 and still hope to have a transmission, it just is NOT happening, I have seen more than a few break lets just put it that way.
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
36 Hours ago you were a called a Poseur by someone who didn't even bother to figure out who you were or what you knew or what you might be doing before he mouthed off.
5 hours ago darkhorizon is bragging that he's owned you by posting up your dyno chart. He never considered that you're the one who originally posted that same chart about 5 months ago.
Now you're giving them all lessons in the process of setting a car up.
I told you man, it's a wonderful country. you go from Poseur to Teacher in 36 hours.
Archie
Tell 'em we're playing Chess not Checkers
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lessons? For the record for someone to learn something they have to listen, I never asked any questions about setting up cars here nor would I listen to someone making 400hp out of a 6L v8 with a turbo and a getrag fwd transmission.
How can you compare wasting the time and effort to go to a track to see how your car runs from the 1/16 mile to the 1/8 mile? last time I checked you didnt need a track to see how your car preforms at wide open throttle.
I took that chart from a thread that he posted in 5 months ago, and I never claimed I "owned" anything.
Stop insulting people archie, I never asked for it, nor have I ever insulted you even indirectly. You seem to love calling out people that bend what you say, yet you do it more than anyone.
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36 Hours ago you were a called a Poseur by someone who didn't even bother to figure out who you were or what you knew or what you might be doing before he mouthed off.
What else did he have to know? He built a turbo lt1 stroker thing that dynos about as much as a n/a lt1 with a cam and head work would dyno with a bit mroe torque I suppose (although i doubt you corrected the torque for the gear ratio), and then insulted us when we asked for time slips. We obviously got the impression that he was scared to post the slips, or broke the transmission too many times to ever get a run at the track.
if your battleing to see who has the biggest e-peen here, you might as well post proof about it. I could care less, my car IS a rolling junk pile that cost less than motortv's front and rear bumper, but it is only .02 seconds slower in the 1/4.
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lessons? For the record for someone to learn something they have to listen, I never asked any questions about setting up cars here nor would I listen to someone making 400hp out of a 6L v8 with a turbo and a getrag fwd transmission. [QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:
But you sure tried to make lots of noise in an information thread ...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon: How can you compare wasting the time and effort to go to a track to see how your car runs from the 1/16 mile to the 1/8 mile? last time I checked you didnt need a track to see how your car preforms at wide open throttle. [QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:
But you DO need a track to see how your car reacts to certian conditions at a track.. A real racer would know this... A kid would just mash the gas and say "look at me i'm kool" and learn nothing... If you ever ran a car fast you would more then likely hert yourself and others...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon: I took that chart from a thread that he posted in 5 months ago, and I never claimed I "owned" anything. [QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:
Here is what you posted... [QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon: darkhorizon
If he posts more junk, Ill just post up some supercharged 3800's running 12psi through AUTO FWD trannies making more power than him. [QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon: Stop insulting people archie, I never asked for it, nor have I ever insulted you even indirectly. You seem to love calling out people that bend what you say, yet you do it more than anyone.
What else did he have to know? He built a turbo lt1 stroker thing that dynos about as much as a n/a lt1 with a cam and head work would dyno with a bit mroe torque I suppose (although i doubt you corrected the torque for the gear ratio), and then insulted us when we asked for time slips. We obviously got the impression that he was scared to post the slips, or broke the transmission too many times to ever get a run at the track. [QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:
One day you may learn that a dyno is a tool, It is used for a lot more then you would think... Not just peak hp and tq... To date i have never broke a trans in my car... If you know how it works then you can work around its limits... btw 1.6 60 foot times is fairly common for a v-8 fiero...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon: if your battleing to see who has the biggest e-peen here, you might as well post proof about it. I could care less, my car IS a rolling junk pile that cost less than motortv's front and rear bumper, but it is only .02 seconds slower in the 1/4 [QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:
How fast my car has turned is of realy no importence in this thread... This thread is for people that want to learn what is involved in making a fast car work... Again i say... read the thread ... because you keep putting your foot in your mouth... Are you buddys with Mr Posouer?
Chuck
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How fast my car has turned is of realy no importence in this thread... This thread is for people that want to learn what is involved in making a fast car work... [
Just a little advice, You need to remember that folks like darkhorizon think that you need to go out on the street and do some "rolling racing" against cars like an Escort ZX2 in order to see how your car performs. If they had a car anywhere near the power you have they would have killed themselves (and possibly others) by now. Obviously he has no intention of learning, He just wants to make comments without any real understanding. He already stated his problem:
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Originally posted by darkhorizon: For the record for someone to learn something they have to listen,
What turbo are you using? What clutch? What camshaft? what valvesprings? what do you rev it to? What exhaust manifolds are you using? What size injectors are you using? What fuel pump are you using? Headers? If so what size primaries? How much boost you run to make 700 whp? Where is your dyno chart? What gear did you dyno in? What shop did you dyno it at? What is their phone number?
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What turbo are you using? What clutch? What camshaft? what valvesprings? what do you rev it to? What exhaust manifolds are you using? What size injectors are you using? What fuel pump are you using? Headers? If so what size primaries? How much boost you run to make 700 whp? Where is your dyno chart? What gear did you dyno in? What shop did you dyno it at? What is their phone number?
Wow, if you didn't have Shaunbag to quote, you wouldn't have anything to say would you?
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FastIndyFiero Member
Posts: 2546 From: Wichita, KS Registered: Aug 2002
Wow, if you didn't have Shaunbag to quote, you wouldn't have anything to say would you?
Archie, could you please let Coinage ask these completely legitimate questions without interruption? I would've cut and pasted too, why retype it all. Though it is nice to see you're keeping track.
Thank you, Nate
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
I am sorry,,(little off track) but this is just to dam funny,,Unlike some other noobs in here,I for 1 just sit and read and learn,,Even if i know the person is wrong,,it is not my time or money they r wasting...
What was that old saying,,,,,,,,Better to look stupid,then to be a stupid idiot!
i think that right,,,oh well who cares...just LMAO
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Posts: 2023 From: College Park, MD Registered: Mar 2006
You need to remember that folks like darkhorizon think that you need to go out on the street and do some "rolling racing" against cars like an Escort ZX2 in order to see how your car performs. If they had a car anywhere near the power you have they would have killed themselves (and possibly others) by now.
Its really ironic you bring that up, and how completely wrong you are.
Remember my car is just as fast as his via his time slips, "faster" actually because I trapped 106. My manual swap car I sold to my friend, ran 12.5 and trapped 109, so fast fieros are sorta my game no matter what transmission is in them.
If I had 1/20 the money this guy has into his car, I would easily be running a real 400whp, and easily hitting 11's consistently, with no "shakedown runs".
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Archie, could you please let Coinage ask these completely legitimate questions without interruption? I would've cut and pasted too, why retype it all. Though it is nice to see you're keeping track.
Thank you, Nate
Sure why not, Would you also like to have the Dyno operators full name & address? Maybe his wife's maiden name & dress size.
There are a lot of V-8 swappers from around the country who've got Dyno runs & time slips who don't post them on here because they know that they'll be hounded & harassed by RFT loosers like you before they even have time to get the facts & results out there.
If you hound him enough & bash him constantly, You'll discourage the next V-8 guy from even thinking about posting up his info.
Yet everytime one of you guys post something up, you always qualify your posts by making your excuses up front. Either your AFR is off or you shifted at the wrong RPM but you always have an excuse. But you don't see a group of V-8 swap guys running in hounding you & bashing you. What you do see is them giving you the time to sort your car out in your own way.
Evidenced by the fact that Chuck's time slip is from this last weekend & given the fact that he works 50+ hours a week, you might consider that he's still working on getting his car setup.
Maybe you should show the V-8 guys the kind of respect they show you.
Archie
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what is there to setup? if he can get into gears 1-3 to get an 1/8 mile run, why is shifting into 4'th going to hurt anything?
a 2.0 launch is plenty respectable for that transmission, your not going to get that any faster anyway, no matter what sort of horsepower your running, so other than that, he ran his car as hard as he could then.
What is this trying to prove? That you have more time and money than we do that you can just go to the track and just screw around and not get a time slip that represents your fastest run? I would of just kept this whole timeslip business to myself If I was him, its just confusing and really dumb to try to post these then explain it?
The whole VHT deal is understandable if you really are running near 800 horsepower, but even then you should have tires on that were ready for that. You cant tell me shifting into 4th is scary on non vht track..
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Posts: 10652 From: Virginia Beach, Virginia Registered: Feb 2007
Its really ironic you bring that up, and how completely wrong you are.
Why is it "ironic" ?? How am I "wrong"?? I mean you can tell that you and others are making posts either for Shaunna or to somehow gain his approval. If that is not the case then why did you say here you never claimed you "owned" anything but as pointed out you posted on RFT you "owned" the thread??? Why do you make one comment here then post over there to mock the thread?? Why do others quote his posts here? The best part about it all is how Shaunna lies in his posts and you all believe him. I exchanged a few Emails with him and he made posts that he knew were lies. I don't know if he did it for the purpose of not looking like a fool to all you guys or he did it to goad me into posting so he could have his croonies assist him in bashing me. Either way it just proves to myself and a few others who were reading the Emails and Shaunna's posts what a fool he really is. If that is the type of person you and others wish to follow or admire, That is your choice and that is how others will preceive you.
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Originally posted by darkhorizon: Remember my car is just as fast as his via his time slips, "faster" actually because I trapped 106. My manual swap car I sold to my friend, ran 12.5 and trapped 109, so fast fieros are sorta my game no matter what transmission is in them.
The difference is Chuck was taking it easy and you were trying to get your best time. I mean it is so obvious that he was at the "Test and Tune" at the drag strip and he was working on the "Tune" part because his slips show he basically did an easy launch, a short burst of power, and then coasted after the 1/8 mark. So he was about as fast as your best time without even trying.
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a 2.0 launch is plenty respectable for that transmission, your not going to get that any faster anyway, no matter what sort of horsepower your running, so other than that, he ran his car as hard as he could then.
Huh??? I'm running 1.7 seconds to 60' and if I recall Tina is running 1.6 seconds. So why can't it a Fiero manual transaxle go faster than 2.0 seconds??
EDIT: Just checked the 1/4 mile thread. x-thumpr-x, ricecooker, Tina, 3.8T, and 865spd all run with Getrag 5-Spd's and all have less than 2.0 seconds to the 60' mark. Mine is a 4-spd and there are not a lot of cars listed with the 4-spd and show their 60' times so I cannot find other examples.
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I will jump in for a sec. The winners and losers are truly showing their stuff... The lack of knowlage and insite of a few "racers" does not suprise me at all... Maby i should start a thread called "My 700 hp car...." so they can be at least on topic... LOL The point of this thread is show that there is more to going fast then the kids think... For sure you could just mash the gas and be 90 percent there.. (if the car is slow enough) To get the other 10 takes a bit more... I will explain this this afternoon... btw... can anyone point out where i said how much hp i make and how quick the car is? Or even that i was going to say in this thread... It's not the point of this thread... Chuck
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you asume WAY too much about me, the only other person I know on RFT is will, I have no idea who anyone else is.
I know 1.7's are VERY possible with getrags, I have even ran a 1.6 with my manual swap, but it has been through 4 transmissions, and we all know how many tina has nuked.
Even if he ran a legit 1/8 mile, the time and trap speeds mean nothing, we cant "look at it" and see that its a 9 second car like he claims it is. a 94 trap at the 1/8 is not slow, but it is far from 11's still, even with that launch.
I love discussing facts oreif, if you would keep your random assumptions about me out of this, It will avoid things getting trash canned. You are commenting on my personal life and making blatant assumptions on how I do business out here in Flint. If you want, I can give you phone numbers of my friends I race out here, and they will tell you straight up what I do and how I do it.
I do not follow on anyones tails, In the case of darkhorizon vs motortunerTVakimoto, I think most RFT people started following me, you can see this on the other thread.
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Originally posted by darkhorizon: You are not going to get faster than a 1.9 60 and still hope to have a transmission, it just is NOT happening,
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I know 1.7's are VERY possible with getrags, I have even ran a 1.6 with my manual swap, but it has been through 4 transmissions, and we all know how many tina has nuked.
Let the backpeddaling begin.
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we all know how many tina has nuked.
Do you know how many Getrags Tina has nuked? Take a guess? 1? 5? 20? Or did you not know that the transmissions she nuked were Isuzus and that's why she switched to a Getrag? Not to mention, the last one I saw that she greneded was done in by a clutch failure - not transmission.
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ryan.hess Member
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Originally posted by MotorTV: Maby i should start a thread called "My 700 hp car...." so they can be at least on topic... LOL ... btw... can anyone point out where i said how much hp i make and how quick the car is?
you asume WAY too much about me, the only other person I know on RFT is will, I have no idea who anyone else is.
I love discussing facts oreif, if you would keep your random assumptions about me out of this, It will avoid things getting trash canned. You are commenting on my personal life and making blatant assumptions on how I do business out here in Flint. If you want, I can give you phone numbers of my friends I race out here, and they will tell you straight up what I do and how I do it.
I can only go by what you have posted. I have no idea what your personal life is or even your business. The only thing I have seen from you is the fact that you make comments which have a negative tone to them on here then you go to RFT and appear to gloat about it. It's fine to disagree or disbelieve but when you go somewhere else and gloat about your comments, It appears you are doing it to "fit in" with the RFT crowd. Being a PFF member for any length of time, You should know how the RFT crowd is viewed upon by many here.
I have NOT made any comments about your personal life or your business. However,I did group you with the others who appear to be doing the same thing as you. Which may or may not be accurate, But it is how you are precieved based on your comments and actions so far and others here also seem to have the same preception of you. If this is not true, Then why are you gloating on RFT about what you post on here???
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