So I finally ordered it! Now I need to install it... :P Looks kinda confusing. For those of you who already have the little module. Were in the car did you hook it up? Under the front of the hood? Inside the cockpit of the car? Can somebody give me some reccomendations on how to hook this up?

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I hooked mine to the front of the car hiding the wiring through the bumper cover. It should take you about a good hour to do it. The end result is fantastic. good luck and post pics!

Daytime running lights = waste of energy & gas.
Are you talking about headlights & all? Or just park lights? Park lights are supposed to tell people you're parked, & in fact in some states (if it hasn't changed) it's illegal to run with just the park lights on.
If it's not dark (or dusk/dawn) or raining, leave the lights off.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Having had more than one jerk pull out in front of me because they cant see a dark car I will be installing them on my car.
Going to wire the light switch up to a relay so it comes on with the ignition.
Also going to install driving lights on the same circuit.

The head lights will be the only thing on a switch.

I just bought them for the parking lights, and I dont care if it messes with any of that. I bought them for looks.

Where did you connect the Ignition wire?

Day Light Running Lights
Motorcyclists, recognising the small visual target their vehicles present, have long understood the value of operating headlights in daylight. Although somewhat bigger, MGB's and other small sports cars like Fieros also have a relatively small frontal area and in addition are lower to the ground than the average vehicle. Daylight Running Lights or DRL's may well make these cars more visible and hence increase safety.

The evidence that the increase in conspicuity that DRL's offer a is a safety benefit, greater than that which is provided by Anti Lock Brakes for example, is compelling. Some countries have had laws requiring the use of headlights in daylight for some time, and to this end, vehicles supplied there have been equipped with headlamps that switch on automatically during daylight. Finland (1973), Sweden (1977), Norway (1986), Iceland (1988) and Denmark (1990) have had such laws. Canada, taking a slightly different legal tack, required all vehicle manufactured after December 1, 1989 to be equipped with DRL's. DRL's, although not mandated by law in the USA, are nevertheless fitted by some manufacturers, notably GM and VW.

Here are some, very much summarised, examples of the recorded reduction in multi-vehicle crashes when DRL's were used

Finland. 21% on rural roads in winter
Sweden 11%
Norway. 14%
Denmark. 7% overall but a 37% reduction in left turn collisions with oncoming vehicles.
USA. 18% on a small fleet study.
Canada. 11% excluding rear-end collisions.
Avis car rental. DRL equipped cars involved in accidents required 45% less cost of repair over those that did not have DRL's.
It should also be said that there is a vehement and vocal anti DRL lobby. The concern seems to hinge on freedom of choice issues, but in support of the arguments DRL's are often slammed for causing driver distraction because of dazzle. There may be some justification for this, especially when high (full) beam is used.

Lamp life is obviously reduced when they are used for both day and night driving. However, as discussed in Voltage, a very small decrease in voltage will result in a very large increase in lamp life. For example a reduction in voltage from normal of 8%, the maximum voltage allowed by Canadian regulations, will result in an increase in lamp life of 271%. At the minimum voltage allowed, 75% of normal, lamp life increases by a massive 3,157%.

Power Consumption
DRL's use about 5 to 6 Amps and may not be a good choice for cars with generators that have marginal capability to recharge the battery.

As far as fuel consumption and power are concerned, even at about 40% alternator efficiency, DRL's will use just 0.25 horsepower, wuhich equates to 0.26% of the total engine brake horsepower.

The arguments as to which lamps should be used include the following.

High (Full) Beams.
Cause dazzle especially at dusk.
Because full beam is usually little used, there is little incentive to change a single burned out bulb, negating the benefit.
Complex regulations for light intensity require light measuring instruments.

Dedicated Lamps, often yellow in colour.
Because the lamps are nonessential, there is little incentive to change a single burned out bulb, negating the benefit.
Yellow colour DRL's, where used, are less effective and are confused with turn signals.
Both light intensity and mounting position regulations make for complexity

Low Beam.
Little or no dazzle
More likely to be changed when burned out.
Simple regulations are based on lamp voltage.

The regulations referred to are those for Canada, that being the country where there is a law regarding the mandatory fitting of DRL equipment rather than simply the use of headlamps in daylight.

Fitting DRL's is often a matter of buying a module and fitting it according to the manufacturer's instructions. Features that might be considered are:

Delay start.
This allows the engine to start and the alternator to begin charging before the DRL's illuminate.
Off during cranking.
As an alternative to delay start, the DRL's do not operate when the vehicle is actually starting.
Off when handbrake applied.
A battery saving measure.
Day/night sensor.
Automatically switches from DRL to normal lights after dusk. The fact that the headlights can be seen by the driver makes it is very easy to forget to switch to regular lights, (that is full power headlights, tail lights and dash lamps) at night.
PWM Technology.
A power saving technology described below.
There are number of ways to achieve the objective of driving a lamp at lower intensity.

PWM
Pulse Width Modulators are electronic switches that turn the lamps on and off very rapidly. The on to off ratio can be varied, so that if, for example, the light is on for 80% of the time, and off for 20% of the time, the total power consumption will only be 80% of normal. This is an extremely efficient method, with minimum wasted energy. However, the initial equipment cost is high.
Transistor Voltage Regulators
Transistor based circuits can be configured to supply a specific voltage almost irrespective of the power and numbers of lamps driven. Thus a circuit can be arranged to constantly supply say 12 volts to the DRL's rather than the approximate 13.5 volts that would be supplied from a running alternator. The efficiency is low because the unused voltage, together with the current supplied to the lamps, produces heat in the transistor(s).
Diode Voltage Dropper
Silicon Diodes drop an almost constant 0.7V when current passes through them. Thus 2 in series will drop about 1.4 volts if wired in series with the lamps. So if approximately 13.5 volts is supplied by the alternator, 1.4 volts is dropped across the diodes and the remaining 12.1 volts goes to the lamps. Even if one lamp burns out, the voltage supplied does not vary much. The efficiency is low because the unused voltage, together with the current supplied to the lamps, produces heat in the diode(s).
Resistor Voltage Dropper
The simplest method of reducing voltage to the lamps is to use a resistor which limits the current flow to the lamps and in doing so drops the voltage. Higher power lamps will use more current and drop more voltage across the resistor. Similarly, 2 lamps will draw more current than one, so if a lamp burns out, the voltage dropped across the resistor will decrease and the remaining voltage across the surviving lamp will increase. Thus the resistor value has to be selected carefully to get the desired voltage output to the lamps. The efficiency is low because the unused voltage, together with the current supplied to the lamps, produces heat in the resistor.

quote Originally posted by BIGG_SEXXY: I just bought them for the parking lights, and I dont care if it messes with any of that. I bought them for looks. Where did you connect the Ignition wire?

I haven't done it yet, but you can pick up power for the relay from the fuse box. There is one labeled that is only hot when the key is on.

man, Im going to need some pics or sum shizz.

Or I might just pay somebody else to do this :P

Sorry I didnt mean to side track your thread. Install your kit per the instructions and enjoy it.

I don't plan on running a kit.
A relay is nothing more than a switch, instead of your finger its turned on by electricity. I plan on wiring some driving lights into the circuit for the parking lights and replacing the mechanical switch with a relay so they come on with the key.

GEICO gives you a slightly lower rate if you have daytime running lights. I'm sure other insurance companies do also. I'm sure the insurance companies wouldn't give you a bonus for something that's illegal.

From Wikipedia: "A daytime running lamp (DRL, also daylight running lamp or daytime running light) is a lighting device on the front of a roadgoing motor vehicle, installed in pairs, automatically switched on when the vehicle is moving forward, and intended to increase the conspicuity of the vehicle during daylight conditions."

Daytime running lights can be in 3 forms: Parking lights that run at brighter than normal intensity (when used as DRL's), head lights that run at lower than normal intensity, or separate lights from either the parking or head lights.

DRL's are required in some countries.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Daytime running lights = waste of energy & gas. Are you talking about headlights & all? Or just park lights? Park lights are supposed to tell people you're parked, & in fact in some states (if it hasn't changed) it's illegal to run with just the park lights on. If it's not dark (or dusk/dawn) or raining, leave the lights off. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"

I gotta agree with this . Adding more lights to the car was the primary reason for the third brake light. Boneheads like Volvo even make cars with HUGE and ELEVATED "in your face" lights - these guys should be forced to drive behind one of these cars at night. Ever see a school bus lately - flashing light on top like they have on the top of a 747 jet !!! The scum out here simply allow their taillights to burn out and you will see cars with the 3rd light as the ONLY light that works when the brake comes on.

Adding more lights to make up for inattentive drivers is NOT a solution. Where does THIS stuff stop ?! car makers love it - safety features are a WONDERFUL reason to increase prices and the light bulb people at Sylvania and GE are probably having wet dreams at headlights burning out in 1/2 normal time.

The calif highway patrol did an accident study a few years ago and guess what - the number one cause of accidents in calif was attributed to Driving TOO FAST for conditions.

Treating driving as an inalienable right and not making it a crime to be stupid are the problems . Read the feedback comments at the Tire Rack and anyone describing their driving style as "fast and aggresive" should have their license revoked and their right foot chopped off.

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quote Originally posted by PaulJK: Treating driving as an inalienable right and not making it a crime to be stupid are the problems.

I agree with that!
I know that my father pays lower insurance for his factory DRL car. Insurance companies aren't out to do their customers favors. They work by statistics. You can't put special lights on your car and say it's license to be a jerk on the road, but extra conspicuousness must be helpful or insurance companies wouldn't lower their rates for it. The point is you wanna be seen (except by police, hahah). I hadn't previously considered the extra load = decreased power factor. But would two small bulbs, maybe lesser brightness than average even, really add that much load? I really don't know

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The load is very minimal on small lights. Headlights, however, pull a good bit of current. As individuals it may not cost much, but as a country it costs quite a number of barrels of oil every day. Probably as much on most trips as idling at several stop lights (which is something else I think we need to reduce). I just think we need to conserve every drop that we can, since we're FAR too dependent on foreign oil.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: The load is very minimal on small lights. Headlights, however, pull a good bit of current. As individuals it may not cost much, but as a country it costs quite a number of barrels of oil every day. Probably as much on most trips as idling at several stop lights (which is something else I think we need to reduce). I just think we need to conserve every drop that we can, since we're FAR too dependent on foreign oil. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"

...if you are so worried about the enviroment, etc you would not be driving a Fiero - you would be driving one of these "other" cars that gets way better fuel milage - ACTUALLY in fact you wouldn't be driving a car at all unless it was completely non-polluting.

This is a WEAK excuse for the argument against DRL - as posted above, DRL have reduced collisions in other countries. The same could be said for all those people that install high power stereo's in the cars (they also draw more power than normal = decrease fuel milage) - so does air conditioning, etc. It's not so much as speeding, it's the clowns that pull out in front of you - DRL draw attention to your car (especially small cars). I for one have noticed a large drop in clowns pulling out in front of me since I added some DRL to the Fiero.

The fact remains, if people were not so stupid when driving, the government would not have to mandate safety devices on cars (it's not the car companies (as meantioned), they just add them). Look at ABS, air bags, safety glass, seat belts, traction control, etc - all added becuase people: 1) drive beyond their control (false sense of security because 'they have done it before', and 2) just don't pay attention.

As for freedom of choice - hey, most place you 'have' to wear a seatbelt, heII, you can't even buy a car without air bags (air bags are a problem for short people - I also have to wonder about eye injuries for people that where glasses).

Blah, Blah, Blah...


Note: if done correctly (read that part again), DRL should not 'blind' oncoming traffic, all DRL modules do NOT run at 100% full power - but anywhere from 60-80%. If they are too bright, it's only because the person that installed them did not do it right (or did not use a module).

quote Originally posted by PaulJK: I gotta agree with this .

I'm going to disagree. Fieros are low to the ground and hard to see. I think anything that helps the Fiero to be seen and not wrecked is a good thing. A DRL is not a parking light. It's actually the turn signal filaments that are illuminated, not the parking lights.

Im going to agree with Driver. They tried them in the 60s....didnt do anything then either. Motorcycles have them and still people pull right out in front of them everyday. If you cant see a 6 foot wide car coming at you, you shouldnt be driving anyway. Yes Fieros are low, but not any lower than a vette. If a car in front cant see you in their mirror without a light, your too close to them anyway. I had flush headlights on my Ferrari kit and my headlites adjusted properly usually hit the gas tank on the car in front of me at a stop lite. I just made sure I didnt park behind anyone that would back up without looking and the lights would be off then anyway. In Ohio anyway, driving with fog lights on and not in fog and driving with just parking lights on IS a fineable offense. Until recently, even factory installed DRIVING LITES were illegal to use at any time. My Mercedes SL had factory under bumper driving lights and I got ticketed 2 times (in the 90s) while driving out in the country by Highway Patrol.

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Most new cars come with them, people get use to seeing them. Having had to slide to a stop several times because there is a nasty shadow across the road is enough reason for me. If you dont like them then by all means dont use them.

The best time that DRLs are worth their weigh in gold is at dusk and dawn. Too many people don't turn their lights on until it's pitch black. At least with the DRL the cars are much easier to see. I can't imagine why anyone would be against anything that improves safety at such a small cost.

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: ...if you are so worried about the enviroment, etc you would not be driving a Fiero - you would be driving one of these "other" cars that gets way better fuel milage - ACTUALLY in fact you wouldn't be driving a car at all unless it was completely non-polluting.

I'll bet I pollute less than anyone else on this board. I live in my shop, so I don't drive to work. I never go out partying/clubbing (although I plan to again one day for some live rock 'n' roll); I only go to town 12 miles away to get parts or groceries once or twice a week. Every now & then I visit a friend. I could drive a Winnebago & still pollute less than most folks.

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: This is a WEAK excuse for the argument against DRL - as posted above, DRL have reduced collisions in other countries. The same could be said for all those people that install high power stereo's in the cars (they also draw more power than normal = decrease fuel milage) - so does air conditioning, etc. It's not so much as speeding, it's the clowns that pull out in front of you - DRL draw attention to your car (especially small cars). I for one have noticed a large drop in clowns pulling out in front of me since I added some DRL to the Fiero. The fact remains, if people were not so stupid when driving, the government would not have to mandate safety devices on cars (it's not the car companies (as meantioned), they just add them). Look at ABS, air bags, safety glass, seat belts, traction control, etc - all added becuase people: 1) drive beyond their control (false sense of security because 'they have done it before', and 2) just don't pay attention. As for freedom of choice - hey, most place you 'have' to wear a seatbelt, heII, you can't even buy a car without air bags (air bags are a problem for short people - I also have to wonder about eye injuries for people that where glasses). Blah, Blah, Blah... Note: if done correctly (read that part again), DRL should not 'blind' oncoming traffic, all DRL modules do NOT run at 100% full power - but anywhere from 60-80%. If they are too bright, it's only because the person that installed them did not do it right (or did not use a module).

quote Originally posted by jscott1 The best time that DRLs are worth their weigh in gold is at dusk and dawn. Too many people don't turn their lights on until it's pitch black. At least with the DRL the cars are much easier to see. I can't imagine why anyone would be against anything that improves safety at such a small cost.

I won't own a car with working airbags or anti-lock brakes.
Headlights are (by law) supposed to be turned on at sunset/kept on untill sunrise - at least in my state(s).
But hey if DRLs help you to avoid accidents then it's probably worth the extra pollution & expense. Just check your state laws to make sure it's not illegal to run your park or other lights.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Virtually every GM car made in the last 10 years have DRLs... I can't imagine what lame lawman is going to pull someone over for having DRLs. As I've pointed out, it's not the same as having your parking lights on. For one, the tail lamps are off. For two, it's the turn signal filament that's lit, not the parking lights. So technically none of the filaments associated with parking lights are illuminated with DRLs.

I dont think anyone said daytime running lites were or should be illegal...thats your choice. I just see them as a complete waste of time and energy, not to mention they can just be plain ugly.

And Ill even agree with Driver on his other points....Anti lock brakes for MY cars are a waste....for most drivers they should have them. I dont have a problem with airbags. Bags, belts and ABS should be options....not forced down your throat. One reason car prices keep skyrocketing is standard equip is adding up and option list is getting smaller. ie/ I dont even think you can get a car without AC/ power windows and locks anymore. I very rarely ever turn on my cars AC...I like the windows down. And whoever thought AC in a convertible was a great idea.......... Duh...if its warm enough for my top to be down, why would I want air. If the suns too hot wear a hat or just dont buy a convertible. EOR

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: I'll bet I pollute less than anyone else on this board. I live in my shop, so I don't drive to work. I never go out partying/clubbing (although I plan to again one day for some live rock 'n' roll); I only go to town 12 miles away to get parts or groceries once or twice a week. Every now & then I visit a friend. I could drive a Winnebago & still pollute less than most folks.

...the fact remains is that you still pollute...there are VERY few people that are really concerned about the enviroment that they have actually taken measures so that they do not pollute (or use fossil fuels) at all. Many of these 'so called' enviromentalists continue to rely of fossil fuels, etc to keep up with their 'comfort' level. Example: I never see Al Gore travel around the world in enviromental friendly vehicle on his 'global warming' talks. David Suzuki (Canadian version of Al Gore) even came under fire for his use of a touring bus when he went around Canada on his so called talks - his excuse, no other vehicle was big enough for him to use (he has since kept quiet).

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: ....Anti lock brakes for MY cars are a waste....for most drivers they should have them.

...most drivers do not know how to use ABS properly for them to do any good anyways...

Automatic headlights should solve the on at dusk and off at dawn problem for the clowns that don't know how to operate the light switch (I still even see the odd person driving around after midnight with no lights on).

As meantioned: DRL are a different filament when amber lights are used - white DRL are low beams running at usually 80%.

BTW: never been ticketed (or pulled over) for having DRL - actually, have not been pull over for not having a front plate either - but then, they can't do anything about that since we do not have front plates where I live

The point being, those that are against DRL are using the lastest concern (global warming) as an excuse, instead of just being a man and admitting that you hate it when some government official tries imposing some stupid law on you. I am sure that some people that drink and drive will also argue that drinking and driving laws are stupid.

...anyways...now that this post is beyond off topic...

quote Originally posted by BIGG_SEXXY: So I finally ordered it! Now I need to install it... :P Looks kinda confusing. For those of you who already have the little module. Were in the car did you hook it up? Under the front of the hood? Inside the cockpit of the car? Can somebody give me some reccomendations on how to hook this up?

My module is just located in the front compartment. As for hooking it up, it would all depend on which module you have and as to if you are going to use a separate set of lamps. On mine, I also used a switch inside of the car to turn off power to the module if so I choose (some have a parking brake input that turns off the lamps when the brake is set and this could be used with a switch instead of connecting it to the parking brake).

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I usually just have my headlights on, if its a somewhat dim day or nighttime. I've been almost smacked into by people who don't see my little black Formula in their mirrors. Its usually the people thinking they can make a quick 90mph dash down the right lane and somehow avoid that traffic jam up ahead.

I know from my own driving experience, its easier for me to see a car with headlights on. Even before looking for the car, you can see the light shift caused by another vehicles headlights. Most of my driving is done early morning, and early evening. My Fiero practically disappears in those lighting conditions.

Plus, the headlights give the added benefit of a perceived larger vehicle. If the first thing a driver sees is two large headlamps coming down the road they may hesitate, seeing a dinky little Fiero barely even registers.

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wrong post.. stupid me....

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So Im installing them right now.... Whic wire is the parking light and which wire is the turn light??? I 2 black wires and one blue, I know which one is the ground one, but Im having trouble with the last blue and black one :P

Hello,!
Getting back to your orginal question where to hook up a power wire easily so they will power up when you have the parking or head lights on,
If you have a courtesy light near your a/c drier bottle, crimp a spike on the end of your fusable link and spike that into the wire at the light bulb socket. Your driving lights will only work when you have the parking lights on or the head lights on. I installed a toggle switch under the dash to complete the circuit so I only use them when I want to. My Halogen lights are about 52 watts each and do put out alot of light, but I too really installed them for the better appearance they give the front of the car, they are 2.25" X 4.0" and are recessed in the bumper scoop area, I mounted them to a piece of Aluminum angle I installed behind the Aero bumper.

I forgot to add mine is a 87 Gt.

Glenn

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Is it possible to just hook it up to the fan wire? Its right their. I heard of some people doing it.

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Have you checked to see if the fan wire is hot all the time or only when the temperature relay opens ? IIf you hook up there your lights may only work when the a/c is on or when the fan relay opens. I hooked up to the courtesy lights because it is part of the lighting circuit and will only be hot when you turn your parking / head lights on. I would suggest using a voltage tester to find out where you have voltage if you are going to pick another location.

Glenn

Alright gotcha, I did hook up the ignition wire to the fan and it didnt work :P lol Sux, but yeah, I have no idea were these courtesy lights are located. Are they in the cockpit of the car? lol

On your module do you need both battery (always on) and ignition power?

For battery power, you can splice into the headlight relay (assumes 1st genertation headlights) and for ignition power the only source in the front compartment is for the wiper motor (C100 pin B1 (white wire)).

I myself ran the ignition wire back inside of the passenger compartment and connected it to the fuse box through a switch (I installed the switch so I have the option to turn them off if I choose to).

If you need more help, please let me know what year of car it is and please post the wiring diagram for the module you got - without that info, I am just guessing.

Where did you guys get your modules. I may be able to make them cheaper.

I agree with jscott1 and Xanth, DRL are needed at dusk and dawn and also in bad daytime visibility.many British drivers don’t turn on their lights till it’s dark and many seem to think parking lights are all that's needed in town.

Most of my route to work is on narrow twisty country road, great fun in good weather but not so much in the winter!!!

Last week early morning thick fog was an absolute nightmare going to work when half the drivers(?) coming the other way had no lights on, especially as the most popular colour here seems to be metallic grey! I wish they were compulsory here in the UK because these drivers wouldn’t have to remember to turn them on, DRLs in fog being better than nothing at all.

Both my old Volvo 960 estate work car (it’s ok PaulJK it doesn’t have high rise rear lights!) and my wife’s Suzuki jeep have DRLs as standard.

My Fiero/Ferrari 308 needs to be fitted with driving lights in the nose as it’s impossible to signal other drivers quickly with the headlights so these will be set up to double as DRLs when running at about 60% brightness.

quote Originally posted by BIGG_SEXXY: Is it possible to just hook it up to the fan wire? Its right their. I heard of some people doing it.

My Kris Munson kit does exactly that. It brings in the power from the big red fan lead, but, there is a relay which is used from the headlight circuit to actuate the lights.

The fan shuts off when the engine shuts off as I recall.

I'd wire the daytime lights to come on automatically when the engine is on, and use them as fog lamps at night. You could simply mount fog lamps or driving lights in the intake grill opening. It might be better though, with daytime lights, to run a fresh wire from the fuse block.

Arn

quote Originally posted by Cancelli60: I agree with jscott1 and Xanth, DRL are needed at dusk and dawn and also in bad daytime visibility.

In the US headlights are required to be on at dusk & dawn & in rain in most states.

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: I'd wire the daytime lights to come on automatically when the engine is on, and use them as fog lamps at night. You could simply mount fog lamps or driving lights in the intake grill opening.

In the US in most states (if not all) it's illegal to run fog or driving (especially driving!) lights when approaching oncomming traffic.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: On your module do you need both battery (always on) and ignition power? For battery power, you can splice into the headlight relay (assumes 1st genertation headlights) and for ignition power the only source in the front compartment is for the wiper motor (C100 pin B1 (white wire)). I myself ran the ignition wire back inside of the passenger compartment and connected it to the fuse box through a switch (I installed the switch so I have the option to turn them off if I choose to). If you need more help, please let me know what year of car it is and please post the wiring diagram for the module you got - without that info, I am just guessing.

heres the link to the module and its installation instructions http://www.webelectricproducts.com/products.htm Their called DRL-1 Universal kit

and here the wiring diagram

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: In the US in most states (if not all) it's illegal to run fog or driving (especially driving!) lights when approaching oncomming traffic. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"

FYI: NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) approved the use of DRLs in the US in 1993. This action, preemptes any state laws. You may not like the ideal of of DRL, but they are NOT illegal anymore as you seem to think (exact wording: "U.S. law now permits but does not require DRLs, which turn on automatically when the ignition is started and are overridden when regular headlights are activated.") - so you need to brush up on the current laws and get over it already.

quote Originally posted by BIGG_SEXXY: heres the link to the module and its installation instructions http://www.webelectricproducts.com/products.htm Their called DRL-1 Universal kit

...simple hook up, I would add a 15 amp inline fuse to the ignition wire and run it inside to the fuse box.

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quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: FYI: NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) approved the use of DRLs in the US in 1993. This action, preemptes any state laws. You may not like the ideal of of DRL, but they are NOT illegal anymore as you seem to think (exact wording: "U.S. law now permits but does not require DRLs, which turn on automatically when the ignition is started and are overridden when regular headlights are activated.") - so you need to brush up on the current laws and get over it already.

Yeahhhh.... DRLs are not near as bright as *quality* fog or driving lights. Besides, try telling the state trooper (or judge) that federal law allows you to run the lights you have that are a violation of state law...
I'm just sayin'...
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

I'm not worried about laws, I could care less about that **** . I know a cop that will right that fix it ticket off like nothing. Anyways thanx

Obviously you haven't been constantly harrassed by cops like I have. I was ARRESTED & thrown in JAIL in Roswell, Ga. for dodging a hole in the road! (charged & found GUILTY in thier court of reckless driving!) Funny that LARGE hole which had been there for TWO YEARS was repaired a couple weeks later... I was also ticketed for not having proof of insurance (in the same town) when visiting from Alabama when Al. didn't have mandatory insurance laws! It was thrown out in court even before I was called before the judge (I don't think they wanted the judge to find out).
In Cumming, Ga. I was DENIED DUE PROCESS!!! I was ticketed for a violation of which TO THIS DAY I STILL DO NOT KNOW THE CHARGES & thrown out of court before court started because my T-shirt didn't meet their dress code!!! I said "I have a summons & am REQUIRED BY LAW to be here" but the POLICE didn't care & threw me out of the courtroom! I went to the clerk to get info & she said she DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE CHARGES WERE but the fine that I HAD TO PAY was $65!!!
These are but three of SEVERAL instances where COPS have HARRESSED me & VIOLATED my CIVIL RIGHTS. I keep my cars legal but am still CONSTANTLY stopped for no good reason.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

[This message has been edited by Tha Driver (edited 02-18-2008).]

I figured out the "State of the art" I believe there's 4 relays inside the module. If not then he's using some digital stuff. But this can be done with 3 SPDT and 1 DPDT relays. The cost of the module is right in line with what I would even charge for it so I can't save you money. But I did draw it out. If for any reason he stops selling them then I'll post that up so you can make your own.