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Report this Post02-18-2010 04:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BrasticClick Here to visit Brastic's HomePageSend a Private Message to BrasticDirect Link to This Post
I just finished lowering my 88GT. I used the Fiero Store 1" lowering springs in the front and the WCF coil over kit with the 350lb springs in the rear. I am happy with the results in both appearance and handling. With the stiffer springs and lower stance, it feels like the car does not roll in a corner. I know about the optical illusion of lowered cars looking wider and lifted cars looking narrower (that is why lifted Ford Rangers look so funny). What I was not expecting is how much wider the car appears with a little over 1" dorp. The passenger windows now appears to be too big. It almost looks like the roof was raised.

I do not have any before photos, but here are the after shots.



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The passenger windows now appears to be too big. It almost looks like the roof was raised.



Must be time for a Chop !
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Report this Post02-18-2010 04:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2m4dudeSend a Private Message to 2m4dudeDirect Link to This Post
ya i know wat u mean but i think it looks pretty damn good dude lol wat motar u got in that?
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The motor is stock. My next planned modification is new wheels. I have no plans on changing the engine until I get some track time and I learn how to drive.
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hey man if u get some new ones wat would u wont for them that on it now i like those and id like to have the fiero rims on my car i got 85 grand am wheels on mine and it dont handle as great and got bad tire roll i dont got much money u know but if u wanna get rid of em for cheap let me know but ya that a good lookin car dude post some more pics if u do anything else to it.
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Where's the front shot?

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Partial front:



and full frontal:

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Looks just about perfect.
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Looks like a nice drop.... Sleek and Phat! Beware..... You'll find yourself staring at it.

Don't listen to the chopped comment.. my opinion. Sorry guys, just sayin. I like the original roof look.
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I first have to say that I can't believe how poorly some adults communicate. I am completely astounded.

On topic: I don't like choptops for multiple reasons. I don't think they look very good, especially compared to the original roof. I also couldn't handle it because I am 6'3", and I only have a few inches of head clearance as it is. I have a mohawk, and when I fix it, I have to either slump down or tilt my head to the side. I can't imagine what it'd be like with a lower roof haha.
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Sorry... didn't mean to offend anyone.
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I think a slight chop would look good. I've been considering a 1 inch chop for mine. Many said it'll be a lot of work for little payoff. But I've always lived by the saying, "less is more" and I think a subtle chop could look quite nice.

Nice looking car though! Good work.
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Originally posted by SlowGuitarMan:

I first have to say that I can't believe how poorly some adults communicate. I am completely astounded.

On topic: I don't like choptops for multiple reasons. I don't think they look very good, especially compared to the original roof. I also couldn't handle it because I am 6'3", and I only have a few inches of head clearance as it is. I have a mohawk, and when I fix it, I have to either slump down or tilt my head to the side. I can't imagine what it'd be like with a lower roof haha.


Got a sunroof? Take it out - I've done it.

Though, when I last went mohawk, it was a few inches shorter - now, I'd be over 7' with the hair up
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Got a sunroof? Take it out - I've done it.

Though, when I last went mohawk, it was a few inches shorter - now, I'd be over 7' with the hair up


I thought of that, but it wouldn't quite work for two reasons. 1) I sit so far back that the edge of the roof around the sunroof is where it rubs. 2) It's like 20* out where I live. It might help keep my hair frozen in place, but it'd be very chilly lol.

 
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Sorry... didn't mean to offend anyone.


I hope that nobody was offended by that. It's just opinion v. opinion
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I was just merely saying that IT LOOKS SICK now... No need for a chop. I like the look of the Fiero.
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Amazing !

To me it is almost a crime NOT to lower a fiero ! They look 100% better lowered, especially 88s !

lowering and aftermarket wheels are the two best visual mods you can make to a fiero.

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Amazing !

To me it is almost a crime NOT to lower a fiero ! They look 100% better lowered, especially 88s !

lowering and aftermarket wheels are the two best visual mods you can make to a fiero.


Exactly! --- slammed

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Exactly! --- slammed



Maybe parked at a car show. That car is basicly undrivable and if it was you would be an orthopedic doctors house payment every month. You couldnt get that car out of my driveway. On a fast back road cruise the tires would barely be on the road...rockers would constantly high center it. just sayin

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Maybe parked at a car show. That car is basicly undrivable and if it was you would be an orthopedic doctors house payment every month. You couldnt get that car out of my driveway. On a fast back road cruise the tires would barely be on the road...rockers would constantly high center it. just sayin


Thats why you need air ride. Lower it down at the shows, raise it back up for driving. Add more pressure for a stiffer ride, air it our for a softer ride. Very versatile
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I have to admit, I love this car. I had no intention on becoming a Fiero fanatic when I bought my first Fiero 5 years ago. I now have two 88 GTs and am President of the Golden Gate Fiero club. These cars have been fun and the community has been great. If it wasn't for this forum, and the club members, I would not have running cars. I am humbled by the generosity of the Fiero community. Thank you everyone.
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My blue '87 GT is lowered 1.25" and I agree. The car looks great and drives much better lowered. It is my daily driver and has been for about 4 years now. My previous car (also an '87 GT) was lowered 2.25 and was okay, but basically stayed on the bumpstops. I drove that car daily for 8 years. However, I did have ground cleanance issues with that car because with the subframe connector I made for it, there was only 3.5" of clearance total. I had to slide over tall speed bumps. My IMSA is set at 3.25", but then again, it is a race car.

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Doesn't look any wider to me, just lowered.
 
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Amazing !

To me it is almost a crime NOT to lower a fiero ! They look 100% better lowered, especially 88s !

lowering and aftermarket wheels are the two best visual mods you can make to a fiero.

My parents told me people are stupid if they lower any fiero, its too low as it is, they say.
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One word that explains them ----- parents.

My car is lowered about 1 1/2 or a little more. no rubbing. I do have adjustable coil-overs now so I can lift it up more if I wanted but....... um NO. -- I tried to go that low but it was rubbing in the turns.

That picture is photoshopped but I think it looks sick too.. There is a Fiero that has airbags. I think he lives in Texas.
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What I was not expecting is how much wider the car appears with a little over 1" dorp. The passenger windows now appears to be too big. It almost looks like the roof was raised.



Hehehe, I heard that. Nice car though. Get a nice set of shoes (17/18); ride around for a couple months and then decide if the windows appear to be- too big.

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As usual, I have to note that wingless GT's look AWESOME!

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Doesn't look any wider to me, just lowered.


I do not have a picture, but next to a stock height Fiero, it appears to be wider. And, I also like the lowered look and feel.

 
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My parents told me people are stupid if they lower any fiero, its too low as it is, they say.


That is funny. Of the three cars I own, this is still the highest one. I do not have to worry about my parents to much. My mom drives a Mera. Now only if I can get my kids into Fieros. My 4 year old daughter is into cars already. I have no idea where is started, but she loves old Packards. We were at the Pebble Beach Concourse in front of a Bently that won Le Mans, and with a stern face and hands on her hips, she told the owner that the car is nice, but he is silly for not owning a Packard. The owner and I laughed pretty hard.
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That is funny. Of the three cars I own, this is still the highest one.


That is indeed funny, what else do you drive?

Also, what wheels are these?
 
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Now that you got it lowered a little something to shoot for ? Either one of these is killer !



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WATCH OUT FOR THE COKE CAN!!!!
Damn, that's low... I know it's not that low... but I'm thinking to myself how difficult it's going to be to get in and out of the Fiero... hahah...

I bought my Fiero when I was 16... and I had no problems with the fact that I was sitting 3"s off the ground.

I stopped driving it in my mid 20s and let it sit in the garage for basically years and years. I then got a Solstice in December of 2005 and even though that car was no where near as low as the Fiero, it was difficult getting out of. I'm in good shape, but rather tall (6'3"). I hate to act like an old fart... but on the few times I've gotten in and out of my Fiero in the garage (you know, to pretend like I'm driving, like an idiot), I realize that as I get older, this gets more difficult...

I'm going to have to invent some kind of lift system when I'm 90 so I can get in and out of it...

Maybe I'll have it running again by then...

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My 86 Aero SE is lowered about 1 1/2" and looks so much wider now than it did at the stock height. Just an illusion, I know, but I agree with your statement.

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Go for bigger wheels (17" or more) and the visual balance will be perfect again.
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Now that you got it lowered a little something to shoot for ? Either one of these is killer !



That is one SWEET lookin' car! Could be a Ferrari!

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It's funny how good that car looks and there's not even that much done to it. Tinted windows and quarter windows, rims and tires, lowered, wing delete, new paint. Basically pretty stock. Still stunning though.
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i say give the rear some wider tires. then it will look even meaner from the back end
i like the look of 15" rims and wide tires
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i know not fiero but i like wide rear tires on cars
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one more for fun :P


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one more for fun :P



Thanks for the memories Had a RS Super Sport 1968 454 powered Camaro with 4.10 posi with MT wrinkle walls and a 1969 Z28 with 4.56 posi and rare cross ram ... untill the Fiero came out nothing other than my 308 Ferrari could replace them

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wow. 4.56 gears would have been crazy off the line.
unless you had tall tires then i guess it wouldnt be to bad.

i would love to have an 69' camaro
even if its all beat up and rusted. id still take it. tho there so expensive! even for a piece of rust broken down camaro. still $8000+

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Rims and tires are on the list. Maybe next year. So far, I have not have problems scrapping more than when it was stock height. Now that both the front and rear have been lowered it handles great in the corners. I am very happy with the results. Lowering the front and not the back did lead to "weird" handling. The only down side is how loud hitting pot holes is now. I was driving on 880 in front of the Oakland Coliseum and it sounded like mortar shells going off in the car.
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this may be a stupid question but im trying to my 84, but when i see fiero store springs it says it will lower the car 1"
i want it lowered about 3-4" im running 15" tyres how do I know what the buy as in springs.
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