Im new here, and I am 15 yrs. old. I CAN afford all of this stuff with my own cash from my photography business. (adupuisphotos.com)
Im sorry if this is in the wrong category, But here it goes.
I have been interested in a midengine design for a few years now. However, when I found the Fiero, I knew that Pontiac Fever was in my future. I searched and searched, and finally found a few used Fieros on craigslist. So here's my first questions: How should I inspect a used Fiero before buying it? What should I look for in terms of the engine based on mileage (belts, heads, etc.)? How much should a good used prospect cost?
After deciding that the Fiero was "the one", I started looking for ways to spruce it up. I had no idea how important the Fiero is in the kit-car world. So after searching around, I found Pisa's car and dash kits. So here's my next questions: Is Pisa trustable? Are their products high quality? Are they worth it? To be more specific, I am looking at the Artero body kit with lights and grills, the Upholstered Euro dash kit, and the leather seats to match. In total, about $10,000 in stuff. Should I trust them with my cash?
Paint: How much would you recommend spending on a paint job, and how would you find a reputable dealer?
Now to the last part: Performance and engine. Should I replace the engine once I get the car? What is the best exhaust system for this car? How would YOU boost performance? And finally, is a new suspension package worth the cost?
Okay, thats a lot of question. I know this post is loaded, but I would really appreciate the help. Go Fieros! -Andrew
Well, first get your priorities the other way around. At your age I'd recommend that every time you buy something for your fiero you put an equal amount of money in an investment account for the future. Too young to waste it all on a car and the economy is tough.
Performance first, looks second.
Also, you're young, don't get yourself killed driving like an idiot.
You can do a 3800sc swap pretty darn cheap. Get a auto fiero with minimal rust damage that looks like pure hell outside and inside (since you're going to redo it anyway.) Fierox sells good mounts, so does purplereign. The axles are pretty easy to make. Much easier option if you're okay with the 200hp to start is to go with an l36 and 4t65e non-hd; a fiero auto drivers side and manual drivers side axle fit right in. Have you pcm reprogrammed by darthfiero gmtuners.com.
The only reason to upgrade your suspension is if you're going to do a kit that requires a widebody track. If so, go with Held motor sports. It's going to cost you a penny though, as with any other major commitment. You can get a bumpsteer correction kit for a reasonable price if you're going to keep your stock width and you got an 84-87 fiero. 88 suspension is great but the front wheel bearings IIRC are nearly nonexistent and hard to replace. I have an 88 and it drives just great.
After that I'd focus on a braking system upgrade. The 88 brakes are pretty good but every other year suffers from brake fade/spongieness due to the non-vented rotor design. You can do a grand am upgrade fairly economically or go all out and get a big brake kit from archie or west coast fieros, etc... Probably going to have to upgrade your rims to accommodate bigger brakes. This gets even more expensive if you have a wide track suspension and need 9.5-11 inch wide tires in the back.
When ALL THAT is done we're on to body work. If you decide to do nothing you have an amazing sleeper that will blow your friends away.
A body kit is allot more than just slapping it in place and painting it. Paint is like lipstick; you put it on a pig and it still looks like crap. You are going to have to spend months working on that body kit to get it to look right and sanded/fiberglassed to perfection. This is NO SMALL UNDERTAKING. Then, and only then, will it be ready for paint. Just getting that work done on a regular car, NOT A BODY KIT, can cost thousands. Expect to learn real quick how to be a fiberglass expert unless you have a buddy in the business.
Lastly, the interior. At this point you'll probably be turning tricks and holding a can on the street corner to afford these modifications to your interior. If expense is not issue go with Amida. I would have to sell a kidney to make those plans come true. Otherwise expect to learn how to upholster or get seat covers from Mr. Mikes. By now you're a fiberglass guru so just build your own interior from glass and have it painted to match the car or some such.
When all this is done you might as well open your own body shop. You'll know how to build cars at that point.
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dhobbs84sc Member
Posts: 407 From: Connersville, Indiana Registered: Jun 2009
The fiero isn't just a car... It's a dying breed. So to ruin a good one with a kit. I would not advise. The fiero gt is a beautiful car. The fiero se or 85 gt is a mean car. Looks you should never consider throwing ten grand into. Expecially as young as you are.
I disagree with what Jason said about performance though. Your in high school. When you pull up your friends are gonna want to see the beautiful car that has a shiny paint job and slick wheels, not so much the supercharged daily driver.
And your young too so with what driving experience you have you don't want to be driving a 12 second car to school and back. You will most likely wreck. So with performance though you have unlimited possibilities.
What I advise is not to jump into things and wasted as much money that could pay for a semester in college. But do research. Ask questions! Don't start off by saying I want the fastest car in the world! Start off by making the car nice. Or find a nice one on here if your planning on spending that much. Most fieros for sale on here have way more work in them then you could spend twenty grand on. Just take your time and be patient. Your car will end up junk if you rush.
But good luck and welcome to the community!
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swimmerdupuis Junior Member
Posts: 9 From: Nashville, TN, USA Registered: Mar 2011
Thanks for your concern. I started a savings account about 5 years ago. Every time that I make any cash, 75% of it goes into a 6.5% locked interest savings account "for later". I plan to continue this traditional for a while, so savings isn't a problem.
On to the post. Why an auto? I am learning to drive stick, and I just can't stand the thought of doing all of this work on a car but letting a computer drive it. But I like your idea of the 3800sc swap. I had been thinking of just putting in a same-year engine that has been professionally rebuilt, but pushing the power up is a bonus at about the same price.
The kit I have in mind doesn't require a widebody, but I have heard that the suspension is a bit stiff and cuts into turns too much. But if I can get away with not changing the suspension, thats good news.
I plan to look into the brakes as you recommended. I never considered an upgrade there, but it makes sense to have the best part of a car be the piece that stops it. I planned on new tires and rims anyway.
My goal for this project is to learn about cars while getting something great out of it. I have two "mentors" at my school who frequently work with fiberglass, and they will be helping me out in the process. I have all of the sanding equipment available for use, and will be working with my friends, who can help me expedite the process.
For the interior, I already have a full upholstered kit in mind for about $3000, with new seats adding about $900.
Thanks again for the quick response and the great advice! -Andrew
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swimmerdupuis Junior Member
Posts: 9 From: Nashville, TN, USA Registered: Mar 2011
I will consider your advice to keep the exterior as the original design, however, I have found many Fieros that are missing many exterior panels and will be junked anyway. I still plan to redo the interior for a more modern look. I do agree with you on the performance aspect, wherein I don't need the fastest car or the best performance. However, I do appreciate a good car, and would love to have as good a car as possible, if only on principle.
In terms of the money, I have been saving for years (in a different account funded by my "allowance" not my photo income as my college account is) because my parents have told me that I have to buy a new car with a god safety cage, or restore a car to the point that I feel comfortable in it. They reason that if I have seen the insides and still trust the car with my life, that they should too. If I am going to spend my money on a car, I might as well have one I love and appreciate.
I have been researching this topic for about three years, but I understand how my original post might have made you think I was "rushing in" to a decision. I was hoping for some advice from a well-respected community on my plans.
Thanks for the advice, Andrew
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dhobbs84sc Member
Posts: 407 From: Connersville, Indiana Registered: Jun 2009
You seem very patient. WHICH IS GREAT! You will need this. Especially with an older car.
As towards your "performance" inquiry, you have unlimited options like said before. The reason jason said to go for an Auto transmission is because a newer auto transaxle is Soooooo much stronger than a stardard shift. Even with only around 300hp. Its torque that kills the manual transmissions. And the autos handle that better. If you want something amazingly fast don't stick to the average joes supercharge 3800. Do something fun or cool. Like a 5.3 v8 or something like that. Your engine choice is a big deal. Most people do the supercharged 3800 (including me) because well... so far its the best. I believe. But then again I havent driven a LS7 fiero. Or an ecotec for that. So I can only throw my biased opinion. If you really do go through with it and rebuild the car. Do it your way. These cars aren't just something you drive or show off to your friends. This car means more. After you put a hundred hours of work into it, it's like bragging about your wife. Or for you high schoolers girlfriends :P The reason most people don't redo the same era motor, is well... the motor compaired to newer motors are pretty much crap. If your gonna spend $700 to have someone rebuild your motor you could already be halfway done with your L67 swap (l67 is supercharged 3800). As for the body. I'm also an 80's style LOVER!! So there again my biased opinion. There are many many cool kits. So far my favorite is at Fiero Fiberglass and its the Lizardo kit. Idk I'm in love with it. Heres a link if your interested. http://www.fierofiberglass....20Pages/Lizardo.html
But you seem like your on the right track. Your going to change your mind a lot. So be patient. Your in for a ride
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swimmerdupuis Junior Member
Posts: 9 From: Nashville, TN, USA Registered: Mar 2011
Thanks for the advice! That LS7 is a behemoth! Can the fiero frame even take 505 hp?
I had looked at the Lizardo kit, but for twice the price and a terrible side appearance (search google and you'll see) I dont think its so worth it. No offense, but it looks like a smooshed Lambo.
I will look into a larger engine, and I agree about the fact that newer, computer designed/manufactured engines are the way to go for precision and quality reasons.
-Andrew
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katatak Member
Posts: 7136 From: Omaha, NE USA Registered: Apr 2008
I'll throw in my 2 cents. I have 2 sons - one is 20 now and out on his own but my youngest is 17. He has an 88 Fiero Coupe with the PISA XTC body - it's actually an XTC body from the original manufacture in Florida that PISA now makes so I can;t speak to the quality/value of PISA but I can say they have been very helpful when I need answers/parts, etc. Anyway, I raised both of my sons in a Fiero. The number one thing I tried to instill in them is that the mechanical part is the most important. You will want to get the car to the point where it is reliable/dependable. This does not mean that you can't go the performance route - many of the engine swaps being done today are actually a dependability upgrade so by all means, build in the performance - same goes with suspension work too. Once you have the car mechanically sound, then go for the "looks". Fieros are great looking cars all stock so you can drive it and have fun while you go through the motions of the mechanicals. Plus, once the car is body swapped, painted, etc. you do not want to be messing around swapping motors or tearing the suspension apart.
Make a "build" plan and stick to it! Or you can always buy 2 Fieros - one to drive and enjoy while you "mod" the other one! You will find that much like "Lays" potato chips, "you can't have just one!"
You have come to the right place for answers, opinions and support. Welcome to the Forum and best of luck on your Fiero quest.
Pat
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swimmerdupuis Junior Member
Posts: 9 From: Nashville, TN, USA Registered: Mar 2011
Thanks for the reply. I had started to become worried when I saw that the PISA site hadn't been updated since '03. Apparently they do still exist...
I agree with your opinion on the mechanicals. It is much easier to do repairs in a body where everythin fits right to start with! Just wondering, how much did it cost you to get your sons Fiero to the point that it is dependable for day-to-day driving? And I do like the stock "look" but will probably get around to some mods before college.
Thanks for the insight, Andrew
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dhobbs84sc Member
Posts: 407 From: Connersville, Indiana Registered: Jun 2009
Its mainly personal preferance. I love the side look. Well every look of the Lizardo. Lol. But I still like a factory Gt without a spoiler more
katatak makes a good point by saying the mechanical part is most important. Even if you have someone else build it. You need to know whats going on.
"You will find that much like "Lays" potato chips, "you can't have just one!""
Does it count if you had 3 then got rid of 2 and now have one?
But anyways. Your reliable day to day question. How many Grand Prix GTPs have you seen around your town driving normal day to day? Basically if it runs good in that, why won't it in a Fiero. As long as its done right.
My advice is to really think through what you want first and then stick to the plan.
My first Fiero was a 355 3.1 Auto. I bought it sort of half baked. The previous owners had done a decent job of putting a 355 body kit on it, put in new leather Mr Mike seats, a 355 dash and door panels and did a crap job of finishing the interior and a poor job at paint. It had 200 miles on a rebuilt transmissionn. The engine was stroked to 3.1 was balanced and blue printed and came with headers. Supposedly there was over $20K invested in the car. I pulled the interior apart and recovered everything and replaced some of the gauges. The car came with a half gallon of paint, so I wet sanded the car and sprayed on two coats. I bought the car for $3500, invested about $600 in misc parts, and a had a pretty decent car in the end. The interior was not up to Amida standards, but it was a nice car. So if you want to get a kit car try and find one that is 85% done (or so they say) and you will save a lot of money. I did not like driving the car because the visibility was poor, especially the Ferrari like mirrors. It also used spacers to widen the suspension which is not a good solution; Held is much better. I sold the car at a big profit when the economy was good.
Then the time came to by my ideal Fiero. My son has a 308 w/T-tops and a 3800 S/C. I was hooked on T-tops. Very few T-tops have come up for sale here, so I grabbed the first one that came up after I had been following Craigs list for six months. It was a stripper 87 Coupe 4 cyl 5SP T-top coupe with 62K miles on it. It was an Oregon car that had been sitting in a field for 15 years. It was completely rust free. I also bought an 86SE 2.8 Auto with a blown motor as a parts car. I focused on making it look good first and found a 90K mile 2.8 from a guy who was doing an electric car conversion. I began my project of completely renovating the running gear and brakes. By the time I was done, I had poured about $1k into the engine (clean injectors, reseal everything, Tueleo intake, new gaskets except the head gaskets). I put in a Camaro dash (lot of work, but worth it), modified Bonneville door panels, a custom console with an Audi TT shift boot/ring, custom taillights, an SE rear bumper and body cladding and the 17" wheels and tires that came from the parts car. I also added PW, PL, PM, cruise, tilt wheel, delay wipers, and AC from the parts car. I repainted the car in black urethane. I thorougly enjoyed the car for 10,000 miles. But it need more power. SO I just bought a 54K mile Caddy Deville with a 4.9 and all the goodies to intall a six speed. In the end I will have invested as much in the 4.9 swap as I originally put into the 2.8. I should have done the bigger engine swap first. You are much better off paying the premium for a low mileage engine and just clean it up and paint it than buy a higher mileage engine and replace parts.
So write down what you want, carefully estimate prices and go for it. Although the urge two have a second Fiero will happen when you want to continue to tinker as I have. To date I have owned five Fieros. The other shocker was the significant amount of money ($1K or more) I spent on many many little parts.
This is my advice.
Good luck, Jim
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87 T-top 2.8 5sp Camaro Dash Bonneville door panels; 86 355 body & interior kits 3.1 Auto; 85 SE 2.5 5sp, 86 SE 2.8 auto parts car
Originally posted by dhobbs84sc: I disagree with what Jason said about performance though. Your in high school. When you pull up your friends are gonna want to see the beautiful car that has a shiny paint job and slick wheels, not so much the supercharged daily driver.
While you make a good point, nothing is more embarrassing than having a shiny new kit car with a quarter mile that mom's van can outperform.
Thanks for your concern. I started a savings account about 5 years ago. Every time that I make any cash, 75% of it goes into a 6.5% locked interest savings account "for later". I plan to continue this traditional for a while, so savings isn't a problem.
On to the post. Why an auto? I am learning to drive stick, and I just can't stand the thought of doing all of this work on a car but letting a computer drive it. But I like your idea of the 3800sc swap. I had been thinking of just putting in a same-year engine that has been professionally rebuilt, but pushing the power up is a bonus at about the same price.
The kit I have in mind doesn't require a widebody, but I have heard that the suspension is a bit stiff and cuts into turns too much. But if I can get away with not changing the suspension, thats good news.
I plan to look into the brakes as you recommended. I never considered an upgrade there, but it makes sense to have the best part of a car be the piece that stops it. I planned on new tires and rims anyway.
My goal for this project is to learn about cars while getting something great out of it. I have two "mentors" at my school who frequently work with fiberglass, and they will be helping me out in the process. I have all of the sanding equipment available for use, and will be working with my friends, who can help me expedite the process.
For the interior, I already have a full upholstered kit in mind for about $3000, with new seats adding about $900.
Thanks again for the quick response and the great advice! -Andrew
Bravo on the smart planning! All my money went the way of the dinosaur when I found out what women were hahahahahaha!
Aaah the stick shift. I do so love it. The auto swaps are easier with the 3800, that's why I mentioned it.
You can get a ready made clutch from spec for a swap into a 3800sc fiero. Put it behind an f23 and you'll have a hell of a fun car. People on here have put that tranny through hell without blowing it. I can get a decent used one from the proper year cavalier for around 250 so they are pretty cheap to find. Then you'll just need a proper flywheel and such. Others have complete writeups on here about the process. Pretty sure you can stick with stock axles on the f23, not dead sure. Never done it myself.
While you make a good point, nothing is more embarrassing than having a shiny new kit car with a quarter mile that mom's van can outperform.
Lol so why was the Mera made?
I meant more along the lines as he is super young and without the experiance of driving a very fast car he should hold off on anything "over the top". Idk about you but 12 second car when your 15 is insanely fast!! (Z06 scared me!!)
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swimmerdupuis Junior Member
Posts: 9 From: Nashville, TN, USA Registered: Mar 2011
I learned to drive in my dad's 2001 Audi A8. The engine in that thing is a beast! In no other car have I felt as much power in a sedan. However, a V8 in a car half the audi's weight is just scary! I DONT want that much power.........yet.
I meant more along the lines as he is super young and without the experiance of driving a very fast car he should hold off on anything "over the top". Idk about you but 12 second car when your 15 is insanely fast!! (Z06 scared me!!)
true.
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katatak Member
Posts: 7136 From: Omaha, NE USA Registered: Apr 2008
Thanks for the reply. I had started to become worried when I saw that the PISA site hadn't been updated since '03. Apparently they do still exist...
I agree with your opinion on the mechanicals. It is much easier to do repairs in a body where everythin fits right to start with! Just wondering, how much did it cost you to get your sons Fiero to the point that it is dependable for day-to-day driving? And I do like the stock "look" but will probably get around to some mods before college.
Thanks for the insight, Andrew
We got the car with the original Duke 4 cylinder - the body was already on (but was in need of a redo). The first thing we did was rebuilt the suspension - with all Poly bushings and Rodney Dickman parts. Then we did the redo on the body mounting and fixed some electrical grmelins - took about 4 months and then he started driving it everyday. It was very dependable - got good mileage but was still a Duke. While driving it over the mountains one day, the old Duke gave up and died. We swapped in a Caddy 4.9 V8 with 4 spd auto and he has been driving it everyday since. I would not hesitate to drive this car acorss country. But we are not done yet. Now we plan on some more body work and a paint job. They are never really "done" but it will be close.
A little inspiration for you! The XTC at a local car show - parked amongst the Factory Five Cobra's!
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fierosound Member
Posts: 15189 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
For the interior, I already have a full upholstered kit in mind for about $3000, with new seats adding about $900
**Before dropping $4000 on an interior, Just go BUY a complete Fiero With a 3.8sc in it ! ( they are out there all over the place) THEN, go after the body/ Interior. Mechanical, then body, .paint, Last the interior goes in. ** In my oppinion, $4k into a Interior in Anything is crazy. you can buy a "almost finished" car for that !
For the interior, I already have a full upholstered kit in mind for about $3000, with new seats adding about $900
**Before dropping $4000 on an interior, Just go BUY a complete Fiero With a 3.8sc in it ! ( they are out there all over the place) THEN, go after the body/ Interior. Mechanical, then body, .paint, Last the interior goes in. ** In my oppinion, $4k into a Interior in Anything is crazy. you can buy a "almost finished" car for that !
Best advice Ive seen so far
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aaronkoch Member
Posts: 1643 From: Spokane, WA Registered: Aug 2003
Speaking as somebody into year 2 of a swap project, I second the motion of buying a car that's done or almost done already. The only reason I didn't is that I sickly enjoy being broke and having my wife yell at me all the time.
The more time you spend with the Fiero, and the more time you spend on this forum, the more you will come to love the stock look of the Fiero! If you want a little custom look at the same time though go with some basic mods, I'm not saying there easy, just easier than a whole re-body. Put a mustang scoop on it, some side scoops or rocker panels, maybe a new front bumper on it or a bumper spoiler on the stock one, and lower the car. Unless you are really rich, or go to a school with a ton of custom cars, I guarantee your car will stand out, especially with a good paint job.
As far as the interior, there's easier and cheaper than a 3 grand dash, like the Miata, Camaro/Firebird, ECT. dashes offered out there. Look at the topics, study them carefully, decide what the best one is in your opinion, study the one you pick even closer, go to your local junkyard, find the best looking one and go for it! They will give you a more modern look and you'll have something like nothing else out there once you add your own touches!
The motor: In my opinion, drive a 2.8 for a while, for a few reasons.
1) Like stated above, you don't need that much power when first learning how to drive. Don't get me wrong, I'm young too and I'm in the middle of a 3800SC swap, but I know if I had learned how to drive with that kind of power in a car that light, I probably either would of been extremely hurt, or in jail. I'm not trying to bash on your driving style though, you may be the best driver ever, and drive very safe but you'll always have that urge to go do something stupid, and just one stupid thing can ruin your life. Give it a year at least, if not more, before you go do something like double your horsepower, which brings me to my next point.
2) You'll never truly appreciate the power of your motor swap, until your have to drive around the 2.8 for a couple years lol. Its truly embarrassing driving a car that looks like a supercar, that car be outrun by pretty much any sedan made in the past decade. lol
As far as info on buying your new/used fiero, use basic car knowledge. What I mean is just look at the motor, check basic stuff, belts, hoses, wires ect. Check out the tires, see if you can tell the rims are bent, look at the body panels, check the weather striping for leaks, and all the other exterior whatnot. Pull up the trunk carpet, look for rust. If you can get under it, look for rust, look for any extremely bad rubber in the suspension. Make sue all the gauges work and are mostly accurate, the temp gauge goes bad quite often but make sure all the other ones are good. Hear it run, listen for knocking, exhaust leaks, or misfiring. Test drive it, make sure what little acceralation it does have is there, make sure the handling is tight, and make sure there isn't anything else that feel uncomfortable, but keep in mind its an old car, almost twice your age lol, and its going to have some problems and will not feel like any new car your probably have ever driven before. Keep in mind, no power steering, and no power brakes. Also, almost all the stuff I mentioned can be fixed later on so it just depends on how much fixen up you want to do.
I know its a lot of info but just remember its a big purchase and you will most likely have it for at least a couple years. Don't do anything your going to regret, like putting a lambo kit on it, when your friends civic will be able to fly past it on the highway. PM me if you have anymore questions, or want more opinions lol
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RCR Member
Posts: 4409 From: Shelby Twp Mi Registered: Sep 2002
Pisa has been reputable so that shouldn't be a problem. Look over at www.madmechanics.com for more kit options. Personally, I'm partial to Ferrari kits, but that's just me.
Bob
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TommyRocker Member
Posts: 2808 From: Woodstock, IL Registered: Dec 2009
I see mentions of going with a V8 for "real power"... I would like to point out that the 3800's are turning out to be the fastest cars. FieroX, in particular, comes to mind. Also, a 3800 swap in stock form is going to be cheaper and easier than a small block V8 swap, and it will make less power (good for a new driver) and use less fuel (good for any driver). Also, while stick is more fun to drive, the 4t60 breeds are proving to be faster and stronger, as well as easier swaps. As for looks, I can't speak much about the quality of the kits, because for the most part I find them ugly, so my opinion would be biased, even if I had experience with them. I CAN say, you should look into modified Fiero bodies. The chopped Fieros look pretty exotic (though I personally think the fastbacks look extremely out of proportion chopped). Also, I think there is something to be said for the beauty of function over form. A 15 second Lamborarri lookalike is sad and pathetic. (Mera comes to mind) A 10 second Fiero sleeper is pure sex on wheels (FieroX comes to mind) I would say that a good rust free Fiero to start, then a 3800 series 2 swap with the appropriate transmission and brake/suspension upgrades, then make it look the part.
These are just a few examples of modified cars using a mostly Fiero look. In a few cases there are almost no external mods.
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Ruffy Member
Posts: 597 From: jersey shore pa Registered: Jun 2008
You seem like a really intelligent kid and at 15 thats awesome your asking all the right questions! what is your price range? i know you say you have the $ for this stuff but i was just wondering what are you willing to pay for a decent fiero? plus do you want one that has upgrades? mine might be on the market if the price is right
I am planning on a total project budget of about $22000. This should break down, under my new plan with the responses to this post, at about $5000 for the engine/assorted drivetrain modifications. Then about $7000-$10000 for the car itself. I am planning to get it custom painted for about $2500. So far, that's $17500 so far. Then, I am going to get about $2000 in assorted interior work, including new seats if needed. That leaves $2500 for new rocker panels and other body modifications. I will decide if I use the whole budget once I have a car in hand. If I love the car stock, I'll keep it that way until I want something more out of it.
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fierogt27 Member
Posts: 836 From: Jacksonville, NC Registered: Jan 2011
You shouldn't need to spend 7,000-10,000 on a fiero just to put another 5,000 into a motor, for 7,000 to 10,000 on this forum you should be able to get a really nice motor swapped car.
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swimmerdupuis Junior Member
Posts: 9 From: Nashville, TN, USA Registered: Mar 2011
I am planning on a total project budget of about $22000. This should break down, under my new plan with the responses to this post, at about $5000 for the engine/assorted drivetrain modifications. Then about $7000-$10000 for the car itself. I am planning to get it custom painted for about $2500. So far, that's $17500 so far. Then, I am going to get about $2000 in assorted interior work, including new seats if needed. That leaves $2500 for new rocker panels and other body modifications. I will decide if I use the whole budget once I have a car in hand. If I love the car stock, I'll keep it that way until I want something more out of it.
depends on what motor and if you want a total race car or a nice daily driver that still is fast as hell. now this all planning if your paying someone else to do it. you should go 7500$ for the motor. to have a pro put this in cost alot of money just without the motor! i forget what the price is for a swap i guess it all depeneds on what motor you plan on using. if looking for a motor look for one near the same weight of the stock fiero 4 and 6cyl. the reason i say this is for the balance. there are many different motors that you can choose from that is an easier swap. the most popular would be the 3800 supercharged motors. they are fun and the sound of a supercharger is nice. the bad thing is there resale value is really low for the cost you put into it. or you can do a V8 swap. like i said go with something light weight like aluminum. the newer caddy motors seems to be a huge hit around here plus there flashy! the V8 caddy motors sound great! you get strong sound and hey its a cadillac so it will last you a longgggggggggg time. now as for the car prices. you shouldnt pay that much for a car unless it has been modded by a professional! please my young friend dont get ripped off. you can get a nice shape fiero for 2500$. with all the stuff you want to put into this car you could really get away with a real total junker. just try to find a non running fiero that has a really good frame. the frame is the worst part of a fiero. because they sit low and when people park then for a long time the ground eats the heck out of it.
I have to make this suggestion. if you want all this done the right way the most known person is Archie. I think he does it all but he is best known for his V8 swaps hence V-8Archie
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Posts: 470 From: Brookings, SD but originally from Massillon, OH Registered: Oct 2010
Just my .02... any car no matter how reliable will break down more often as it gets older and more used. I think even the most diehard Fiero nut will admit that our cars were slightly temperamental, even when new. I'm saying this not to discourage you, but to ensure you have an alternate means of getting from point A to B while you put work into your ride. Some things can be done in a day, others will take a little longer. My car has been in and out of service for the better part of a year. It comes with the territory of driving your ride while your trying to restore it. Also any car over 20 years old will be difficult finding parts for... Luckily, you've come to the right forum. There's wisdom in numbers of folks focused on the same thing. You'll also be able to score the parts and upgrades you need/want. Lastly, make sure you put some of your money to work for you. It pays off later in letting you enjoy life more, and part of that means more upgrades for your car. I'd suggest reading "Rich Dad, Poor Dad". Those who learn more about money and apply what they know put themselves in a position to receive more of it. John Schnatter, founder of Papa Johns, sold his Camaro in college to start the business. Now, now only does he have his Camaro back, he runs a multi-million dollar pizza business, and has enough dough to buy whatever car he pleases, and I'm sure he has quite a few. Also, as a last note, put footwork to your dreams and you'll go far. When I was your age, I dreamed of a 1966 Mustang. Today, it is one of five cars I proudly own, I'm only 23, plenty young enough to still accomplish a few other things on the list. Keep up the good work. I have no doubt you'll do well.