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i finally found it. the owner of the idea (that i can tell anyways) is a Pontiac F-Bird owner WITH a carputer good guy in my book.

i don't think i have posted this one up yet, so here it goes!

the source: http://curioustech.home.insightbb.com/carpc.html

A silent adjustable rate flasher

The OEM bimetallic thermal flasher is designed for a high load so it won't work anymore. An electronic/capacitive discharge flasher (EL12 from AutoZone) eliminates the load requirements (load resistors) but flashing will be a bit slow (~15 per minute). After a year, my modded EL12 melted so I looked around and had all the parts in the schematic below. I gutted the EL12 and stuck this little perfboard in it and ran a small ground wire out the top. Any P-Channel MOSFET should work fine. Just test the connectors on the car to make sure 12V is going to your source side. 20K pots give you a decent range. Centered is a little faster than normal, and I prefer a slightly faster off duty. The top is off time, and bottom is on time.


Yet another flasher.

Up to 16 different effects. Blinking, strobing, etc. The internal LED is only used for testing. A cheaper 5V reg. can be used, and the MOSFET just needs to be one that can handle your amps.

Each button press changes the pattern.

Optional: Connect 3-wire cable to pins 2,7,8 and use remote button w/LED.

Note: 12V (On with IGN!) is from the flasher input. Pin 2 on the FET is the other flasher pin. Ground is wired to the chassis.

PICFlasher.asm
i have saved the .ASM file in the case the page should disappear
PICFlasher.hex

 
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this is the HEX code

:020000040000FA :080000000728000000000000C9 :020008002A28A4 :04000A00003400348A :02000E00831657 :1000100071308F000F1D0A28831207309900850167 :1000200083169F01990109308500013095007F30CA :100030008100831203012021A0000F30A0050130B0 :10004000A50085120511A101A601051C252828215E :1000500000002828A30003088312A400E62037200C :1000600081010B1124088300A30E230E0900A50BA8 :100070000800200882074B284D284F28582861285F :100080006C287C2887289328AA28B528CC28D8282B :10009000DA28DC28DE28E030E2289030E228A60AC0 :1000A0000130A60526085520E2288207E0343034C6 :1000B000A60A0130A60526085E20E22882075034F1 :1000C000B034A60A0330A60526086720E228820776 :1000D000E034E034E0343034A60A032126087120ED :1000E000E2288207C0340434043405340634503422 :1000F0000334053402340334A60A0330A605260867 :100100008220E2288207A0348034A0340234A60A78 :10011000FE2026088C20E2288207C03405340434EF :100120005A3401340334A60A0F30A6052608992054 :10013000E228820790340334053410340A341F3423 :100140000534603405341F340A3410340A340A3458 :1001500005340334A60A0330A6052608B020E22899 :100160008207D034403440344034A60A0F30A6050C :100170002608BB20E2288207B0340C3408340C3443 :1001800008340C3408340C3408340C3408340C347F :1001900008340C3408340C34A60A0330A6052608AB :1001A000D220E2288207F03407341A349034000059 :1001B0004030E2282030E2281030E228A00101304F :1001C000A5000800A500243085060800051CEC28C1 :1001D000A11B0800A10A0800A11BF028A10108002A :1001E000A101F620A601851205110800A00A0F3012 :1001F000A0052008A2000301082108002608053CEC :100200000319A60108002608093C0319A6010800E5 :100210008316831603139B0083120313220883168D :1002200003139A00831603131C1555309D00AA3042 :100230009D009C149C181A291C118312031308009A :10024000831603139B001C141A088312031308005F :100250008101A0308B008316533081008312080087 :02400E00D433A9 :084200000000000000000000B6 :00000001FF





i have saved this page in PDF format, saved all the pictures and copied all the text to a document file in the case this web page should disappear from existence.
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since i seem to be getting so many PM's about my hitch, ill answer right here
the trailor hitch/bike rack hitch jack, lifting and resting points...

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Nice but what exactly all does it do?

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Report this Post03-28-2011 12:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ltlfrariClick Here to visit ltlfrari's HomePageSend a Private Message to ltlfrariDirect Link to This Post
My solution:

Bussmann Bp/232



Works great, plug and play.

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the adjustable circuit is for adjusting the blink rate of your flashers. one pot adjusts how long the light stays on while the other pot adjusts how long the light stays off.

the other, more complicated circuit is for a preset blink rate. 16 different rates, like strobing, etc... since all the rates are not explained, they are unknown to me till the circuit is made.

ltlfrari, this isnt just a simple flasher like that one. this one is ADJUSTABLE!! while the other circuit is for some nifty blink rates.
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Got it saved for a later project. Good find!
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which one are you going to do? let us know how this turns out. im gonna source out the parts n prices for the 555 timer one from ratshack.

this is going to be added to my "modernize your fiero with technology thread.

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The 555 one, for the bike, not the car. Car's fine with an electronic "heavy duty" flasher. On the one for the bike, I'm going to fit it into the original flasher housing (proprietary) so that it looks stock and works stock with all the LEDs I've installed.

I need to talk to you about my Arduino instrument cluster project at some point...
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that does sound interesting. is it going to be anyting like the stakk gauges setup?

http://www.stackltd.com/st8916.html

bc that would be badass. of course some variation since yours would be more along the lines of completely custom.
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here is the parts list, websites, and prices for all of this. i just ordered 4 trimpots and 2 MOSFET's. the rest of the stuff can be had from the shack.

555 timer ($1.69) http://www.radioshack.com/p...sp?productId=2062595

.1uF ($1.79) http://www.radioshack.com/p...sp?productId=2062365

10uF ($1.19) http://www.radioshack.com/p...sp?productId=2102481

100k ($0.99) http://www.radioshack.com/p...sp?productId=2062334

10k ($0.99) http://www.radioshack.com/p...sp?productId=2062330

20k pot 40% ($0.83) http://www.mouser.com/Produ...S1mv1rPY1qYFyEvZpRfw

20k pot 40% ($0.83) http://www.mouser.com/Produ...S1mv1rPY1qYFyEvZpRfw

IRF9Z34S P-chan MOSFET ($1.30) http://www.mouser.com/Searc...alkey844-IRF9Z34SPBF

total is $9.61 excluding tax, perfboard, soldering supplies, wire and old flasher relay for the base and pins.

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Originally posted by americasfuture2k:

that does sound interesting. is it going to be anyting like the stakk gauges setup?

http://www.stackltd.com/st8916.html

bc that would be badass. of course some variation since yours would be more along the lines of completely custom.


Like that, but fairly different. My bike currently only has three meter movements, tach and speedo of course, plus an ungraduated coolant temp gauge. I'm going to build a cluster that still has tach and speedo (arranged differently) plus oil pressure and coolant temp, both graduated and accurate. In one quadrant of the tach will be a fuel level gauge. All meter movements will be air-core driven by either dedicated air core driver chips from Melexis, or using L293 H-bridges driven from the PWM outputs; I have both chips and support hardware, just need to play with different strategies to see what works best. The hardest part will be the multifunction display. I need a small dot-matrix display that can do 6 alphanumeric characters with decimal point that can be serially driven, something no more than 1/2" x 2" display area with backlight, no luck finding one yet. The multifunction display will handle the odometer and tripmeter, clock, amps, volts, ambient temp, and timer.

Coding is going to be a real biotch, though, that's my weakest subject.
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Like that, but fairly different. My bike currently only has three meter movements, tach and speedo of course, plus an ungraduated coolant temp gauge. I'm going to build a cluster that still has tach and speedo (arranged differently) plus oil pressure and coolant temp, both graduated and accurate. In one quadrant of the tach will be a fuel level gauge. All meter movements will be air-core driven by either dedicated air core driver chips from Melexis, or using L293 H-bridges driven from the PWM outputs; I have both chips and support hardware, just need to play with different strategies to see what works best. The hardest part will be the multifunction display. I need a small dot-matrix display that can do 6 alphanumeric characters with decimal point that can be serially driven, something no more than 1/2" x 2" display area with backlight, no luck finding one yet. The multifunction display will handle the odometer and tripmeter, clock, amps, volts, ambient temp, and timer.

Coding is going to be a real biotch, though, that's my weakest subject.


i used a 16x2 lcd display that is in the MPGuino kit (PFF LINK). i ordered a different colored one to match the pontiac light theme more. im not too sure what smaller ones there are, but i know there are some. checkout www.hackaday.com and browse around and youll find some builds that use lcd displays.

i know how you feel about coding. a lot of my friends are comp sci majors, so i get lost in listening to them talk about their coding stuff. im just a mechanical engineer major. i think im a grunt compared to them haha.
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Hackaday is blocked permanently here, apparently the word "hack" in the url is enough to trigger the blocking software.
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lol, NMCI (Navy/Marine Corps Intranet) and radio shack didnt seem to have any problem with it. but radioshack had PFF blocked > meanies. glad i dont work there anymore tho lol.
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hehehehe.... You'd have fun with my turn signal controller then.



I still have a lot of car left to build before I can add to this and mass produce.

Planning on going as large as 64 channels.

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hehehehe.... You'd have fun with my turn signal controller then.



I still have a lot of car left to build before I can add to this and mass produce.

Planning on going as large as 64 channels.



wow!



i sure hope you care to share this. i would love to build one of these! what chip is that built around?

i cant tell if that is sound reactive or not.. kinda hard to pick out lol

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No not sound reactive. Been working with the 16F chips. It's a repeating pattern that can be made to run as fast or slow as you wish. you set hold times. between the pattern steps. hold 255 means indefinite.

Here's a sample of the pattern code. It can be as long as you want it, or as short...

code:

seq 14
control 0,1

hold 8
sdat 0,0,0,1,1,0,0,0
hold 8
sdat 0,0,1,2,2,1,0,0
hold 8
sdat 0,1,2,3,3,2,1,0
hold 8
sdat 1,2,3,2,2,3,2,1
hold 8
sdat 2,3,2,1,1,2,3,2
hold 8
sdat 3,2,1,0,0,1,2,3
hold 8
sdat 2,1,0,0,0,0,1,2
hold 8
sdat 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,1

seqend



In this code there's 4 brightnesses.
0=off
1=Low
2=Med
3=Hi

hold = hold # * 10ms
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interesting.

coding looks like japanese to me haha. im sure some of my friends will understand it.
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i got the MOSFETs and trimpots in the mail yesterday. now to go to the shack for the rest of the supplies and buld one of these.
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The above is only sequence code. nothing more.

So imagine you have 8 LED's or LED segments to control
0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0
So now you have all 8 LED's OFF

Now you want the outside ones on but only at the dim value. These values are set at another place in the code.
1 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 1

Now you want them at the medium level
2 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 2

And now highest brightness
3 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 3

Now you want the next inner ones on at low value
3 , 1 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 1 , 3

And so on.

Let's say you want to imitate Night Rider

3,2,1,0,0,0,0,0
3,3,2,1,0,0,0,0
2,3,3,2,1,0,0,0
1,2,3,3,2,1,0,0
0,1,2,3,3,2,1,0,
0,0,1,2,3,3,2,1
0,0,0,1,2,3,3,2
0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3
0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3
0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3
0,0,0,1,2,3,3,2
0,0,1,2,3,3,2,1
0,1,2,3,3,2,1,0
1,2,3,3,2,1,0,0
2,3,3,2,1,0,0,0
3,3,2,1,0,0,0,0

See the pattern 0 = off 1= dim 2= med 3= bright

Now lets add the sdat info to it and a hold to set the speed it runs


sdat 3,2,1,0,0,0,0,0
hold 2
sdat 3,3,2,1,0,0,0,0
hold 2
sdat 2,3,3,2,1,0,0,0
hold 2
sdat 1,2,3,3,2,1,0,0
hold 2
sdat 0,1,2,3,3,2,1,0,
hold 2
sdat 0,0,1,2,3,3,2,1
hold 2
sdat 0,0,0,1,2,3,3,2
hold 2
sdat 0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3
hold 2
sdat 0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3
hold 2
sdat 0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3
hold 2
sdat 0,0,0,1,2,3,3,2
hold 2
sdat 0,0,1,2,3,3,2,1
hold 2
sdat 0,1,2,3,3,2,1,0
hold 2
sdat 1,2,3,3,2,1,0,0
hold 2
sdat 2,3,3,2,1,0,0,0
hold 2
sdat 3,3,2,1,0,0,0,0
hold 2
seqend

seqend means end of this sequence and to go back to the top to repeat.

This type of code is very simple.

Stobe light????

sdat 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3
hold 1
sdat 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
hold 2

seqend

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ah ha, that makes sense to me now that you explained it. sounds simple enough to do.
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