Does anyone offer a complete kit for a a 3800 supercharged swap... i dont wanna compile everything for a swap if i can just buy a kit ready to go...my car+3800 engine+kit and im ready to do the install... even a kit minus the wireing harness will do ill get that seperatly...

Not that I know of, a complete kit that is. West coast fieros is probably your one stop shop If you have a large budget. fieroX on the forum here makes some strong motor mounts. most of the parts can be found if your willing to pay. Welcome to the madness.

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Red 88 Formula 3.4 pr 4 speed automatic
Black 86 GT 3800 SC automatic swap in progress

how about a place to get a wireing harness... my only week point in my mechanical abilitys is electrical... can i take the whole electrial system out of my donar car and configure it in my car

FIEROFLYER will build you a harness out of your old one. I have heard he does good work.

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Red 88 Formula 3.4 pr 4 speed automatic
Black 86 GT 3800 SC automatic swap in progress

There are others who make 3800 harnesses.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...ML/056895-2.html#p45

I have a complete swapped car I will sell you......that will save you alot of time anx labor.....

Sorry phonedawgz, I wasn't trying to favor anyone.

I still don't understand why no one sell full kits for these. They could stock the most popular "stock" combos. With my current swap experience I think it will consist of mounts, fuel plumbing, axles, cable adapters (shifter, accel, etc.) and maybe optional basic exhaust and wiring harness. I see what most people seek are mounts and harness work. phonedawgz did my harness and I highly recommend him. Nice detailed workmanship.

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quote Originally posted by Alex4mula: I still don't understand why no one sell full kits for these.

Because most Fiero owners are too cheap to pay for it.

Look how many threads start "I want to put a new motor in my Fiero, I have no engine or trans yet, know nothing about this since I've never done anything like this before, and my total budget for everything is $1500 tops."

quote Originally posted by KurtAKX: ... Look how many threads start "I want to put a new motor in my Fiero, I have no engine or trans yet, know nothing about this since I've never done anything like this before, and my total budget for everything is $1500 tops."

LOL! So true.

quote Originally posted by KurtAKX: Because most Fiero owners are too cheap to pay for it. Look how many threads start "I want to put a new motor in my Fiero, I have no engine or trans yet, know nothing about this since I've never done anything like this before, and my total budget for everything is $1500 tops."

lol... Only way your going to do a swap for $1500 is if you have dun that same swap 2 or 3 times in the past AND you fabricate just about everything yourself The dam little things add up quick and to make the swap look proper (not just tossed in and running) will cost about $2-400 alone...

quote Originally posted by ALJR: lol... Only way your going to do a swap for $1500 is if you have dun that same swap 2 or 3 times in the past AND you fabricate just about everything yourself The dam little things add up quick and to make the swap look proper (not just tossed in and running) will cost about $2-400 alone...

Or you are the type of person that doesnt take no for an answer!

Things can be done cheap... but I would say the typical "i cleaned out my bank account to buy a fiero to drive to my job at tacobell" person is not going to be able to pull it off.

I have put together a few kits in the past that consisted of the harness, alt bracket, throttle cable bracket to work with the V6 cable and the mounts that just need the engine mount to have two holes drilled to line up properly as well as the dog bone bracket that also needs two holes drilled to line every thing up.
Right now I am just finishing off the last of my over due work and will be ready soon to start back up making harnesses. Dan

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Or you are the type of person that doesnt take no for an answer! Things can be done cheap... but I would say the typical "i cleaned out my bank account to buy a fiero to drive to my job at tacobell" person is not going to be able to pull it off.

lol

Na, I just hate doing thing half-ass... Perfections in the details...

There used to be "kits" for 3800 installs provided by companies like ACE - American Custom Engineering (I don't think ACE exists anymore).
Issues arose where there ended up being so many options and different ways to install a 3800, that kits became obsolete and irrelevant.
You would end up paying for supplies and parts you may not use because of how you would install your engine vs how they would want you to install your engine.

That is my take on it.

-Dave

Adding: if asking someone to put together a "kit" for your install, you are still asking for a custom install where you do the wrenching, and they source the supplies and parts.

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so say i have the donar engine(3800 series 2) mounted on my cradle with a 5 speed gertrag tranny.... fuel delivery cooling system ect. all set... what am i looking at to hook this thing up electricly to run in my fiero?

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/055171.html <-- mounts

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/085764.html <-- axles

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/057100.html <-- wiring harness

I am working on a reasonably priced low mount alternator bracket right now, and eventually I will have a complete "swap kit". As for right now the only way to get all the pieces is to "piece" it together.

Let me know if you need anything!

Ryan

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Things can be done cheap... but I would say the typical "i cleaned out my bank account to buy a fiero to drive to my job at tacobell" person is not going to be able to pull it off.

*runs away sobbing into sleeve*

You've no idea how close to home that hit, LOL.

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Complete custom harness to fit your application $385

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/056895.html

Options you have forgotten about:

3800 SC or NA

AC or no AC?

3.8, Series I, II, or III

Type of alternator

Location of alternator? Stock Fiero? CS130D? CS144?

What type of injector?

What type of PCM?

Older PCMs (97 and earlier) won't mount in the console

What transmission? TH125c (stock, not recommended) 4t60, 4t60e, 4t65e, 4t65e-HD, one of the manuals?

Programming the PCM? If you don't reprogram the PCM that was attached to the engine you will need someone locally to preform the CASE Learn procedure.

Different years use different MAF sensors

Some years of NA 3800s don't use a MAP

Is the O2 sensor square or retangular?

Speedo through the PCM or around it?

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All the series II 3800SC harnesses are the same as swap goes other then locations for mounting things like the PCM, alternator, MAP sensor (some like to hide it) and whether the ignition module gets relocated far enough to needs its small harness modified to reach.
The differences in the MAF sensors from 99 up is in the programming of the PCM and for auto all the 4T65E's up to 2003 wire in the same and the manual four and five speed are also the same if you just add in the reverse light wiring on the four speed in case an upgrade to a five speed is planned down the road.
The 85 to 88 C203 and C500 wiring is identical other then one extra wire for the alternator on the newer cars that is not used with the 3800 alternator and the 84's are just as easy with the need to relocate the C500 for exhaust clearance being the only electrical problem.
Problem is the mounts as no two Fiero cradles or chassis are the same and holes do not always line up so either slotting the holes or letting the installer drill the holes is the best way around that.
Exhaust is best built right in the car to guarantee a proper fit and axles are very simple if you use the right parts. Dan

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: Complete custom harness to fit your application $385 https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/056895.html Options you have forgotten about: 3800 SC or NA AC or no AC? 3.8, Series I, II, or III Type of alternator Location of alternator? Stock Fiero? CS130D? CS144? What type of injector? What type of PCM? Older PCMs (97 and earlier) won't mount in the console What transmission? TH125c (stock, not recommended) 4t60, 4t60e, 4t65e, 4t65e-HD, one of the manuals? Programming the PCM? If you don't reprogram the PCM that was attached to the engine you will need someone locally to preform the CASE Learn procedure. Different years use different MAF sensors Some years of NA 3800s don't use a MAP Is the O2 sensor square or retangular? Speedo through the PCM or around it?

Exhaust...

Question about Speedo through the PCM or around it; Which is easier and any pros/cons to either?

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Answer:

If you are running an automatic transmission (non TH125C) you have to run he speedo through the PCM.

If you are running a manual transmission you can run it either way.

Reasons to run it T-ed into the VSS:
Easier set up
No need to have the PCM programmed

Reasons to run it through the PCM:
You can alter the speedo/odometer calibration (tire size) with PCM programming

quote Originally posted by ALJR: Exhaust... Question about Speedo through the PCM or around it; Which is easier and any pros/cons to either?

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: Answer: If you are running an automatic transmission (non TH125C) you have to run he speedo through the PCM. If you are running a manual transmission you can run it either way. Reasons to run it T-ed into the VSS: Easier set up No need to have the PCM programmed Reasons to run it through the PCM: You can alter the speedo/odometer calibration (tire size) with PCM programming

Well, I have to have my PCM programed anyway (to remove egr and some other things) so I guess that answers that question... So no other wiring needs to be dun after the reprogram?

You have to wire the PCM to Speedo using this circuit. Also run the VSS low of the Speedometer to engine signal ground

If you don't want to build your own speedo buffer you can purchase one on the MALL

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/057665.html

Speedo Buffer circuit from Ryan Gick's website

http://gmtuners.com - Go there for your PCM reprogramming.