I have an '86 GT with a 2.8. I noticed that I was leaking coolant lately with no outward signs of a coolant leak. Pulled off one of the valve covers and noticed that the oil inside was a little milky . Great! I'm suspecting a head gasket breach somewhere. The motor has 194,000 on it. Does this sound like a reasonable deduction? Also, if I replace the head gaskets, does the timing chain cover need to come off to do this? I can't remember what's covering what.
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Khw Member
Posts: 11139 From: South Weber, UT. U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2008
Sounds like a reasonable conclusion to me. As to the timing cover, I'm not sure as I haven't owned a V6 Fiero. Hopefully someone else will chime in with a answer for that.
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hdryder Member
Posts: 674 From: Virginia Beach, VA, USA Registered: Apr 2011
It is not an entirely difficult job. You will need the right tools, and a manual for torque specs.
I am betting that the gasket let go near the front of the engine. Accessory side. It may not even be a head gasket. It is quite possibly an intake gasket.
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Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 15343 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
A failure of the LIM gasket could also cause coolant to leak into the oil. If the head gasket failed you should have seen bubbles in the coolant while the engine was running. If the engine is already apart then you can't do the coolant system pressure test which can indicate a bad head gasket. Replacing a head gasket with the engine in the car is a PITA. You can remove the deck lid for more clearance but it is still tough to work on the front side. I would allow 6-8 hours for this job and remember to follow the torquing sequence and take the head bolts down in steps.
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cmechmann Member
Posts: 981 From: Baltimore Md. Registered: Dec 2012
I would before removing the heads do a mechanical gauge oil pressure check. This won't tell if you have bearing damage if pressure is normal, but will tell if you have bearing damage if the pressure is not. Seen to many do head gasket work on aging engines, only to find out, after the bottom end is worn beyond usefullness. Coolant strips bearings quick. I also second the opinion of checking the intake leak. The 2.8 in the fieros were not as bad as the later(aluminum head) 2.8, 3.1, 3.4s, but all can have that problem. Especially due to the years. I had a RWD 2.8 in a S10 with over 250,00 miles and offed the truck not because it ran bad, but due to all the gaskets starting to disintergrate.
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jaskispyder Member
Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
FYI, you can use a tool from Lisle that will allow you to compress the valve springs and remove the lifter rods. This way you don't have to mess getting the rocker arms adjusted. I performed a head gasket replacement (had to remove heads to fix broken exhaust bolts). The tool worked perfectly.
Yeah I was worried about the lower end on the engine due to it's age anyway. I'm sure it won't last much longer but I 'm hoping to get another year out of it. I don't want to put a lot of time and money into a 2.8. I've got three 3.8s in the garage waiting for my lazy ass to get on 'em. But a one day job and just the upper end gaskets won't be too bad. I've got another good set of heads to throw on there if it happens the one's on there need machining. Just glad to know the front end won't have to come off.
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donuteater306 Member
Posts: 701 From: San Francisco, CA USA Registered: Feb 2010
I agree with those referring you to the lower intake. Way more common on our engines than the head gaskets.
Our shop almost never replaced head gaskets on any high mileage iron head/block 2.8L from a Ciera, Century, Celebrity, 6000 or S-10 but we did hundreds of intakes!
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Mytime Member
Posts: 734 From: Long Green,Md Registered: May 2003