Just out of curiosity, what did everyone think of LilDv1L's car? I haven't heard any mention anywhere. It did beat out the Stinger at Carlisle for 1st in Modified Notchback which is pretty impressive. Maybe someone can post a pic here since I don't have one from Carlisle. It was the red coupe with flames and a SC3800.
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That car is impressive! Although I'm not a personal fan of flames or that type of wing the paint is very well done and the car looks great! And was very clean.
As a matter of fact both of the Sessions cars are impressive. Nice job guys.
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It would be nice if ppl would learn to resize images.
but personally, that car just doesn't do it for me.
Originally posted by White88cpe: It would be nice if ppl would learn to resize images.
but personally, that car just doesn't do it for me.
So why don't you educate us on how to do so or maybe ask cliff to add instructions on the image poster. God I'm tired of people crying and complaining about the stupidist little thing on here and not doing anything about it. Anyway I like the car but I liked the red one with silver flames better.
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I don't think that beating the Stinger is too impresive. At least if it was in the same condition that it was in Daytona. Nobody can questions its engineering marvels but at least in Daytona it lacked a lot of details. It looks great in pictures but in person then you see the little things here an there that makes the judging go to a nice clean car even if it is more stock looking.
Originally posted by Alex4mula: I don't think that beating the Stinger is too impresive. At least if it was in the same condition that it was in Daytona. Nobody can questions its engineering marvels but at least in Daytona it lacked a lot of details. It looks great in pictures but in person then you see the little things here an there that makes the judging go to a nice clean car even if it is more stock looking.
Archie builds car to drive not to show.
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Originally posted by DL10: Archie builds car to drive not to show.
Ahhh , it's a chop top , if it was built soley as a driver it would be a generic Fiero with a big motor. That car is a show car buddy. I have never seen it so I can't comment on the quality , but Im sure the guy is probably pretty busy with other peoples cars so his takes the back burner. Working on your own car doesn't pay the bills.
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Originally posted by firstfiero: So why don't you educate us on how to do so or maybe ask cliff to add instructions on the image poster. God I'm tired of people crying and complaining about the stupidist little thing on here and not doing anything about it.
It has been posted multiple times on how to resize images, Darklord and many others. ITs not hard.
I love the look of the car. I loved his car when I saw it first hand at the 2000 Carlisle show. Where was the blanket this year? I beleive this is NOS3800 also from a few years ago? Must have been blankets were in that year? But now he has stepped it up to the next level in my opinion. Not that big on the wing, but the overall visual effect is very very impressive.
I have always liked certain flame effects on cars, and this one is especially nice. We have been contemplating doing some type of flame effect on one of our red Fieros for quite awhile now. Here we have an example that shows us where the bar has now been set Nice job.
The engineering and custom work on the stinger is TOP NOTCH. Archie just isn't one to worry about "detailing" a car. I personally liked the look of LiLDV1L's car the way it was better but that's me.
Rob D.
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Posts: 7403 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
If you attend any Fiero show you will notice that almost all cars are built to drive. Very very few trailer queens. I admire Archies for powdercoating his undercarriage and then just driving it in water and mud (I saw the dirt there). He enjoys his gems and my personal opinion that's the way to do it. But at show time is cleanliness and neatness what counts more. At least in Daytona. I lost a lot of points for not taking the dirt of the wheel wells. I was just lazy. But if you know the rules and your car is in good shape overall then a very clean old one could win a dirty master piece.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: [B] Ahhh , it's a chop top , if it was built soley as a driver it would be a generic Fiero with a big motor. That car is a show car buddy. I have never seen it so I can't comment on the quality , but Im sure the guy is probably pretty busy with other peoples cars so his takes the back burner. Working on your own car doesn't pay the bills.
I never said the Stinger was not a show car , It's the hands down winner when it come to mods, and the car is a quality built car. Archie just does care about spit and polish...............I have seen the car up close.... real close, I detailed it a the WOW show........it was to dirty to sit next to mine.
Frow what I can see LilDv1L's car was the most detailed car........and in a points show Detail and clean win every time. But I think the Stinger was most modified
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Originally posted by Alex4mula: I don't think that beating the Stinger is too impresive. At least if it was in the same condition that it was in Daytona. Nobody can questions its engineering marvels but at least in Daytona it lacked a lot of details. It looks great in pictures but in person then you see the little things here an there that makes the judging go to a nice clean car even if it is more stock looking.
I think you are full of it Alex.
I liked LiLDV1L a lot (Including the wing and paint) I did like it better in red. But it's kinda funny that someone starts a thread to solicit comments on a family car. Kinda gives new meaning to the word "modesty".
As far as my cars' appearance at Daytona.... The trip from Chicago to Daytona should have been about 25 hours. It took us 33 hours because of a rain, show and ice storm in IL & IN that we had to get thru.
This is what the cars looked like when we got to FL at 6pm on Friday.(BTW, they were perfect the night before we started the trip).
After 33 hours with no sleep just getting to Daytona, I wasn't about the spend the whole night trying to clean every corner of the car for a show that only lasts 5 or 6 hours.
Not to worry Alex, you won't have to be troubled looking at my crap in FL next year.
It rained all the way from Chicago to Carlisle again this year and I know my car wasn't perfectly clean, I can live with that.
Joel (with the GBCT) and DL10 (with my Stinger at WOW) have proven that when cleaned properly my Cars are show winners, I can live with that.
I find it interesting that I can win a 1st place at the WOW Custom car show in Chicago and win 1st place at the big Chevy Vette Fest in Chicago but I win Zip at a Fiero only show in FL and 2nd. at Carlisle. It seems that the Fiero crowd is very competitive and harder to please than those custom car show judges.
That's why I'd like to say Congrats to the Sessions' and all the other winners at those shows, all of your cars looked great to me.
I'm happy with my cars.
Archie
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Posts: 7403 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
Oh oh! I did pissed you up. That was not my intention but I know you and won't get upset. Like I said before I admire you BIG time for driving a car with a nicely powder coated undercarriage on rain and all crap in that long drive. You definetly enjoy your rides. To be honest I thought that one was going to arrive in a trailer. It deserves it. I never said it was crap. Just dirty for a beauty like it. Others agree. And also nobody questions its capabilities of winning big shows of any kind when "cleaned properly" like you said. Everybody is happy with your cars too. Peace please
The following is simply an observation and is not my personal belief... I still need an ArchieV8 in my car!
Sadly, I think that [Fiero] people are beginning to give less respect to Archie and his V8 conversions... it isn't "new" technology anymore. People now produce more oohs & ahhhs over 3800s/c and N* Conversions (especially when detailed/painted nicely).
I agree that the 3800s/c and N* conversions are impressive, but you couldn't drag me kicking and screaming from a V8 Fiero (if I had one)!
again... the previous statement is primarily just an ovservation...
BTW- would someone please resize/replace the photo in Fierobruiser's post... it really is difficult to read the whole topic on a 17" monitor. Thanks.
I think it is safe to say that if competing, no one can not rest on the laurels of previous accomplishments and must do the grunt work to get the car show ready if they want to win. I personally do not think it is a case of not respecting Archies work... everyone knows how detailed the Stinger project was... many of us witnessed it "live" via PFF. It sounds like it just was not "show ready". Detail wins the shows, not respect from previous accomplisments.
I think the Lildv1l car is awesome. I love the paint, but the spoiler would have to be more like stock for me. Congrats on the Win. Looks like it was prepared and ready for any competition.
Archie, I do not understand the problem with me starting this thread? So what if LiLDV1L is my brother. I did alot of the work on the car too and we knew it would be a controversial change and we worried about how it would go over. Its a cross between "Hot Rod" and "Ricer". If you knew us better, you will know we are pretty modest. Hell, Earl spent the entire morning working the registration table instead of cleaning his car! I meant no disrespect to you. I just wanted to get an idea of everyones impression. We are not popular like SkiTime and Fierochic88 whom everyone likes to talk about. So I had to bring the subject up. sorry
Originally posted by NOS3800: Archie, I do not understand the problem with me starting this thread? So what if LiLDV1L is my brother. I did alot of the work on the car too and we knew it would be a controversial change and we worried about how it would go over. Its a cross between "Hot Rod" and "Ricer". If you knew us better, you will know we are pretty modest. Hell, Earl spent the entire morning working the registration table instead of cleaning his car! I meant no disrespect to you. I just wanted to get an idea of everyones impression. We are not popular like SkiTime and Fierochic88 whom everyone likes to talk about. So I had to bring the subject up. sorry
You may not be popular with some people , but I think you and your brother are leading the younger Fiero revolution with the way you have crafted your cars. Another person who comes to mind is Chris Moore.
Plus your not afraid to drive them.
Keep up the good work, I have never seen either car in person , but I greatly admire the work that has gone into them
JM
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Originally posted by Alex4mula: Oh oh! I did pissed you up. That was not my intention but I know you and won't get upset. Like I said before I admire you BIG time for driving a car with a nicely powder coated undercarriage on rain and all crap in that long drive. You definetly enjoy your rides. To be honest I thought that one was going to arrive in a trailer. It deserves it. I never said it was crap. Just dirty for a beauty like it. Others agree. And also nobody questions its capabilities of winning big shows of any kind when "cleaned properly" like you said. Everybody is happy with your cars too. Peace please
Anyone else hear an intense sucking sound? Well I don't blame him
Hey, thanks Slammed Fiero. That means alot. I agree, there seems to be two factions on the list. To simplify things, the younger guys who like "rice" stuff and older ones who don't. But without "rice" the custom auto accessory market would be dead in the water! BTW, I LOVE your car. Simple, but mean looking, you know not with ten million scoops or Ferrari nose etc. How does it ride with it being that low? What kinda rims are those? I just bought a set of similar rims, Konig Flatlines.
Originally posted by NOS3800: Hey, thanks Slammed Fiero. That means alot. I agree, there seems to be two factions on the list. To simplify things, the younger guys who like "rice" stuff and older ones who don't. But without "rice" the custom auto accessory market would be dead in the water! BTW, I LOVE your car. Simple, but mean looking, you know not with ten million scoops or Ferrari nose etc. How does it ride with it being that low? What kinda rims are those? I just bought a set of similar rims, Konig Flatlines.
The wheels are TR Motorsports Typhoons 17X7's with Pirelli Pzero's. Ground Control coilovers with Koni's out back , big bars , no Cat converter , a 70hp shot NOS setup (dry) short shift , round headlight (pop ups) 46,000 mile car , got it with 18,000. Hope to do a 3.8SC conversion this winter. Seems to be most cost effective conversion.
Also going to toss the Silver 2 tone infavour of a monocromatic look. Getting the wheels painted "anthracite" as well.
That was last year regional autocross event. I trailered the car there.
Here is a newer pic , this is how it sits now.
Oh yeah 11.25" brake conversion as well, Geni stainless oval exhaust tips , Pioneer head unit , sony mobile amp , remote bottle openor , Autometer gauge pod with AF ratio and electric fuel pressure, Nitrous switches hidden under ash tray door. 1 scoop , mustang decklid unit. Scoop could come in useful if I ever get that T-EP Intercooler for the 3.8SC
I think thats it. It needs a motor that will do the looks justice.
JM
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Posts: 241 From: Millersville, MD USA Registered: Jun 2001
Hello Everyone, If I were a judge, and I had to choose between Archie's and Earl's car, It would be a very hard call, the both are spectacular !!. As a judge I think I would have to get the microscope out and look for imperfections in fit and finish, I mean how else could you pick a winner !! I feel there was nothing wrong with Bill asking for opinions. After spending alot of time building your car, you want to know what people think. At least I do. I wish I would have driven up for the day, heck I wish I still had my Fiero to enter, (I sold it the week before Carlisle !!)it would have been 4 modified notchbacks. competing. I have meet Earl and his brother Bill, and I have talked to Archie via email and telephone. All of them are great people with great cars.
I am going to the GM Nationals no matter what. I may enter my 99 Grand Prix.
I must say I'm one to take detail into consideration on my car. I found the Sessions' cars and Archies car VERY impressive. Archie, thanks for allowing me to take the pictures sittin in your car, I like that.
I also have to comment on the lil devil with that spoiler. Being 18, EVERY one of my friends drives an import and is into that sort of thing. I never really liked the look on a fiero but you made it happen. The wing is appealing. As is Chesters (I like yours too) I will be entering next year with my 84 notcher... I won't be able to touch your guys' cars, but let me make it known, its a privledge just being able to be parked and associated with you.
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Posts: 3330 From: Seffner, Fl, USA Registered: Jul 99
Originally posted by Archie: ... you won't have to be troubled looking at my crap in FL next year.
...I find it interesting that I can win a 1st place at the WOW Custom car show in Chicago and win 1st place at the big Chevy Vette Fest in Chicago but I win Zip at a Fiero only show in FL and 2nd. at Carlisle. It seems that the Fiero crowd is very competitive and harder to please than those custom car show judges.
...Archie
Wow, Archie. I hope you don't mean what you said about next year. The show wouldn't be the same without you.
Regarding not winning "Zip" in Daytona... Well, as most people know, the judging guidelines were based almost ENTIRELY on cleanliness. That's why a guy with a simple 3.4 upgrade can win over someone with a N*, LT1, or LS1. It doesn't take into account how many mods and it only takes one (custom brakes, custom interior, or motor swap) to put someone in that catigory.
I would think by the crowd reaction to your car and the number of requests to sit inside your car that you granted (not to mentione the number of photo ops), you'd have all the accolades you need. I speak from personal experience... I both sat in your car AND judged your catigory. I know how much work you put into that car but cleanliness rules for throphies.
I do feel that you should have won the "Best re-Engineered" car. I don't know why you didn't but I'll bet there wasn't a person there who would jump at the chance to pick your car over the throphy winner's in a U-Pick-it-and-drive-it contest.
I hope you reconsider before next year. I always look forward to speaking with you about your latest project. It's usually something I would love to do, if not for my full time job, wife, two kids, etc.... Until I win the lottery and quit my job, I'll live vicariously though YOUR projects.
Thanks for sharing, Roy
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Posts: 1487 From: Seattle area, Washington State, USA Registered: Sep 2001
I guess Im from the "old" generation. I voted for Archie's car at Carlisle, but I also loved LilDV1l's. Technically speaking I think Archie's had a lot more done to it and it all works.
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