http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33643&item=2425887980

We all knew this would happen. I could agee with some selling sign stuff if it was 5-10 years from now. But this just happened. He has lots of other fieros too. Just look in the background of his other auctions.
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=openwheel&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Anyone know this guy. I guess if you really need the money, you have to do what you can. But if the orginal intention was to sell it, then I have a problem with it.

I'm pretty positive that I know who it is, but prefer not to say.

However, I do agree with this part of your statement:

quote if the orginal intention was to sell it, then I have a problem with it.

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quote Originally posted by Gold-86SE: I'm pretty positive that I know who it is, but prefer not to say. However, I do agree with this part of your statement: [QUOTE]if the orginal intention was to sell it, then I have a problem with it.

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Wow... I am shocked I am not saying either....

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Said Hulki, "You had to look at the Fiero not as
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SmoothFieroGT@Yahoo.com

Uhmmm, so?

What's the difference between this and having John Elway sign your Bronco's jersey so you can sell it. Or Ann Rice sign your Vampire Lestat book so you can sell it?

It might be something YOU wouldn't do, but why should it bother you that someone else does? Man, selling autographed memorabilia is huge business, and an Indy enthusiast that couldn't make the show or may never meet Hulki might be proud to own that.

my .02 that no one asked for!

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REMEMBER: stoplights synch'd for 35mph are also synch'd for 70mph.
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To each his own. If I had the oppurtunity to meet someone and get a few things signed then sell em for profit, you bet your butt I would. Im sure Hulki knew it would happen. Nothing inherently wrong in doing it, everyone needs to make money at some time and if you find a good way to do it, more power to you. besides, its one hat, not 50, its not that big of a deal.

The thing that gets me is that Hulki signed this stuff on his own free will to show his appreciation towards the Fiero community, and then someone tourns around selling this stuff to make a profit.

I wonder how much of this money gets back to Hulki?...........

Some people should be ashamed for using Hulki for their personal gain.

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OK, just to play devil's advocate, should we not sell Hulki's creation (namely the Fiero) for a profit?

If he wanted to be reimbursed for his signature, he would have charged for it.

ugly and overpriced. i wouldn't pay 25 for it. but that's me.
i too don't have much of a problem with him selling, though i wouldn't do it myself. i try not to judge

quote Originally posted by jelly2m8: The thing that gets me is that Hulki signed this stuff on his own free will to show his appreciation towards the Fiero community, and then someone tourns around selling this stuff to make a profit.

Is it actually a profit tho? The auction says "purchased at the charity auction"; I wasn't there, but you usually pay way more at a charity auction than you would any where else, simply because it's going to charity... That might be what he actually paid for it.

Bill

OK, so who is "openwheel" on ebay. ME!

1st - I paid $65 for that Indy hat at the charity auction. Now, Jason I know you were there and witness that. Hulki was sitting fairly close to me at the head table and I waited until everyone else got sigs from him and Parki before I even ask for him to sign my Hat, license plate holder, and 20th event picture. The 2nd Indy hat that sold after my purchase was only $50. It was for charity and I could care less how much it was, it was for a good cause.

2nd - There are Fiero "dedicated" people that could not attend the 20th anniversary. Now I am sure someone out in ebay land, or the general internet community would love to add a collectible with Hulki's sig on it. I have my T-shirt (CFOGi shirt) and license plate holder to treasure. They will never be for sale unless I get out of Fieros one day in the future.

Now my offer here is simple. If you want the hat for what I paid ($65), I will even ship it to you for free. On ebay, you have the fee overhead, and paypal overhead to deal with. Then you can do with it as you like.

Now as far as money. I could sure use a boost in my wallet about now. I have been off work from the corporate world 8-5 M-F since March 2002. I have been working on Fieros ONLY installing new engines, and general repair for Fiero lovers here in DFW. I tell you what. I had to stop working on peoples car for a little bit to get my 3800SC engine installed and on top of that, I still had to order about $2500 in parts. Then I spent another $1500 getting to the 20th anniversary and back. So I could say I need a shot of cash for sure. Here are some more items I have for bid > http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=openwheel&rd=1

Then I could go into Sigs for sale. MinnGreen is not the only person who got pics with John Liphower (whatever his name is). My wife and some girl ran to the elevator and both got sigs and pics with him. I could care less who this guy is. I don’t even like 3rd rock from the sun. You don’t see that for sale on ebay. Then think of all the celebrities that come here to dallas for events. I am not some vulture rushing to get someone’s handwriting to sell.

Then theres the space shuttle disaster here in Texas. Now that was just plain wrong for people to grab that stuff and throw it on ebay. That is the type of stuff to be offended with.

fierce_gt – I agree with you. Wont say on which

Loyde

Ok guys here it is. We had 200 t-shirts made out with the 20th anniversity printed on them.We only sold 35 shirts at the show. We took a ramdum lot of mixed sizes and had Holki and Parhi sign them.We are asking a lot more for these than the regulars. I had to put up the 889.50 for the shirts because the club didn't have the money, and GM cut out,so we couldn't let the printer left holding the bag because ARE name was on the line. And we haven't even broken even yet.We all try to do what has to be done to cover are invesments.Russ.K.

I could go for another shirt Russ.. I should have bought a second one at the show.. I've sent a PM. As for selling stuff, I'm surprised there aren't a lot more things on Ebay from the show! I mean with 400+ Fieros there, probably 1,000 or more people showed up. You know it's going to happen, and it's not like he's selling a $2 pen for $80 or something. I'm considering selling the GT"R" Fastback 1/4 windows I bought at the charity thing.. I bought them because it was a charity, I had the money, and thought they looked good. If I had thought of it, I would have had them signed though, that would have been cool.

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Multi-colored '87 Mutt, a work in progress! (Got my 3800SC, installation in super-slow-motion progress. Only a Miracle will get me to the 20th in my Fiero now. Or a time machine...)

Hi. Do you want to sell those 1/4 GT sail pannels? I started to bid on them but got lost in my thinking and missed out and I had the money to pay a lot more than thay went for. I need some REAL bad(or good)mine are all cracked and about to fall apart. Any interest?Russ.K

Yeah actually, I wouldn't mind selling them for what I paid and shipping.. (Or pickup?? I know where you live! LOL) I think I want to use the scoop windows I have on in my sig. picture anyway.. Just shoot me a PM.

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Bob Williams
Multi-colored '87 Mutt, a work in progress! (Got my 3800SC, installation in super-slow-motion progress. Only a Miracle will get me to the 20th in my Fiero now. Or a time machine...)

I'll chime in here, even though nobody asked for my opinion.

I see no problem with selling a piece of Fiero memorabilia with Hulki's or Parki's signature. If there is a market for such goods then they will sell and everyone will be happy.

BTW......I paid $30 for a $2 keychain at the same charity auction at the 20th show. On any normal day I would never have paid that much for a trinket, but since it was/is for charity I figured why not. If I had it signed by Hulki I would have hawked it on eBay myself and donated the proceeds to char ity as well.

The point is, this is still a free market economy and as such there is literally a market for everything. The market dictates what the value of a particular item is, not the seller. Lloyde may not recoup his $65 expenditure for the hat, but then again he might. It all depends on those market forces at work. I remember selling one of those original T-Top dealer posters on eBay several years ago. I put it up for $1 with no reserve, but it sold for almost $70!! Any other time and I would have been lucky to get $5, but the market conditions (evidently) were in my favor that week.

So there really should not be any controversy about selling an item signed by another person, regardless if that person was paid fpr the signature or not. Like someone previously mentioned, if Hulki wanted to charge for his autograph then he would have (and I suspect people would have still brought in pieces of their car to sign....who was the guy with the dashboard?!?!)

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Cough <Conflict of Interest> Cough...

J/k everyone....

Trust me guys, Lloyde would be one of the last people trying to profit on Hulki. I know several of us bought stuff for decent sums of money to help promote the charity, so essentially the money isn't really going to Lloyde, it went to the charity from the buyer...Lloyde is just the middleman.

I'm sure Hulki wouldn't mind, especially as much as Lloyde contributed to the event etc.

Jennifer

quote Originally posted by 87V6GT: Ok guys here it is. We had 200 t-shirts made out with the 20th anniversity printed on them.We only sold 35 shirts at the show. We took a ramdum lot of mixed sizes and had Holki and Parhi sign them.We are asking a lot more for these than the regulars. I had to put up the 889.50 for the shirts because the club didn't have the money, and GM cut out,so we couldn't let the printer left holding the bag because ARE name was on the line. And we haven't even broken even yet.We all try to do what has to be done to cover are invesments.Russ.K.

Just a note here - This was a totally private venture and nothing to do with a club.

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: OK, so who is "openwheel" on ebay. ME! 1st - I paid $65 for that Indy hat at the charity auction. Now, Jason I know you were there and witness that. Hulki was sitting fairly close to me at the head table and I waited until everyone else got sigs from him and Parki before I even ask for him to sign my Hat, license plate holder, and 20th event picture. The 2nd Indy hat that sold after my purchase was only $50. It was for charity and I could care less how much it was, it was for a good cause. Loyde

Like I said, if you need the money, its fine. Plus, my guess is that at the time you didn't plan on selling it. My point of view is this, Hulki and Parki are not celebrities in the "real" world. Not on TV, not in the movies, not a professional sportsman, not in music, just in our (fiero owners) eyes. I think this is something that they did for us as a thanks. If someone off of the street walked up to him and asked for an autograph, he would think they are nuts. Nothing against you Loyde, just me opinion.
Jason

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quote Originally posted by 87V6GT: Ok guys here it is. We had 200 t-shirts made out with the 20th anniversity printed on them.We only sold 35 shirts at the show. We took a ramdum lot of mixed sizes and had Holki and Parhi sign them.We are asking a lot more for these than the regulars. I had to put up the 889.50 for the shirts because the club didn't have the money, and GM cut out,so we couldn't let the printer left holding the bag because ARE name was on the line. And we haven't even broken even yet.We all try to do what has to be done to cover are invesments.Russ.K.

Maybe I'm missing something here but how are T-shirts related to this topic??? I see the concern now, you had Hulki and Parki sign some of them, ok.

Make a thread to sell them in the mall section. I had no clue there were shirts available and wouldn't have known at all had I not fumbled across this thread. I'm sure there are a lot of people who'd buy one that couldn't make it to the event.

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The even bigger picture is that he OWNS these items and can do what he pleases with them. If he'd like to put the hat on his head, light it on fire, and run around screaming "Hulki is God!" then that's HIS business. Long story short - it's HIS hat. If YOU wouldn't sell it, then buy it from him and keep it.

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Boomtastic

quote Originally posted by Boomtastic: The even bigger picture is that he OWNS these items and can do what he pleases with them. If he'd like to put the hat on his head, light it on fire, and run around screaming "Hulki is God!" then that's HIS business. Long story short - it's HIS hat. If YOU wouldn't sell it, then buy it from him and keep it.

Can we have a demostration at the Dutch Classic, Eric?

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quote Originally posted by Boomtastic: If he put the hat on his head, light it on fire, and run around screaming "Hulki is God!"

pics?

We could sell tickets to that Eric!!

:-)

Jen

quote Originally posted by Boomtastic: The even bigger picture is that he OWNS these items and can do what he pleases with them. If he'd like to put the hat on his head, light it on fire, and run around screaming "Hulki is God!" then that's HIS business. Long story short - it's HIS hat. If YOU wouldn't sell it, then buy it from him and keep it.

ROTFLMAO, OUCH! that hurts!. Funniest damn thing I've heard all day. Oh by the where can we get pictures? And how bout a possible demonstration!

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Red 86 SE
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quote Originally posted by Boomtastic: The even bigger picture is that he OWNS these items and can do what he pleases with them. If he'd like to put the hat on his head, light it on fire, and run around screaming "Hulki is God!" then that's HIS business.

Hmm, seems I remember the CFOG-i RRR redux website is looking for ideas for 'Fiero contests'. We can call it 'flame wars'.

I didn't get his autograph...I was just as happy to shake Hulki's hand. Now I will be selling my hand on E-Bay!!

I got dibs on the pen Hulki used to sign something for $80!!!! Ohhh look at me I have THE PEN!! HEHEH J/K 8)
Heck I'll be honered one day when a Cd or drumstick of mine that I signed goes up for sale. It's just something that only happens for a select few people!! Just being asked for a autograph is a rush in its self!! L8

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Who ever said working on Fieros wasn't any fun?? They must not of had a rebody!

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I'll give you $20 for the Hulki shaken hand.....

Joking

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Paul Hosler
- Silver '87 GT Daily diver.
- Modified IMSA Tube chassis racecar (in progress)

quote Originally posted by Fierochic88: Trust me guys, Lloyde would be one of the last people trying to profit on Hulki. I know several of us bought stuff for decent sums of money to help promote the charity, so essentially the money isn't really going to Lloyde, it went to the charity from the buyer...Lloyde is just the middleman. I'm sure Hulki wouldn't mind, especially as much as Lloyde contributed to the event etc. Jennifer

I'm reading thru this thread and thinking that I'm gonna make a post as soon as I can get thru all these posts....... I'm not able to add anything to what you've said here.

You said EXACTLY what I was going to say.

Archie

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quote Originally posted by Phil: Just a note here - This was a totally private venture and nothing to do with a club.

I have to chime in here as that is actually incorrect Phil.
I was contacted via Eric (Boomtastic) and then by Chuck Hodges (Cheever3000) who, representing CFOG-I, wanted a second and different 20th anniversary shirt design created in time for the show.
However, after the shirt design was finalized, quantity and sizes finalized and actually ordered and created, the club had no extra funds available to then pay for them.
As I had stuck my neck out and also recomended a local place near us to actully do the shirts, I had in all legalities actually ordered the shirts myself.
So my Dad picked up the entire tab and is now trying to at least make back his original investment.
So, what do these 20th shirts have to do with this thread here about Hulki's signature being sold? https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/031140.html
Knowing late Saturday evening that we had sadly only sold just a few shirts, I decided while I was in the banquet watching Hulki and Parki sign stuff for people, that if I could get Hulki and Parki to agree to sign a bunch of our 20th shirts it could possibly help my Dad make back at least some of his own out of pocket money.
My thought at the time was not a cheap attempt to make a few extra quick bucks to just stuff in our pockets. It was an attempt to try and help my Dad make back at least some of his money he spent on his own and is still in the red, and a chance to offer to those not as fortunate to have been able to go to this historic Fiero event a unique 20th anniversary item signed by one or both of THE two biggest people who had everything to do with the Fiero of all time.
I even mentioned a quick explanation to Hulki and Parki when I went up to get their sigs on my arms full of shirts I took up. I asked them both if they were OK with signing a bunch of shirts to help my Dad who had paid for them and was trying to at least get his original money back. Hulki just smiled as he had done all evening and nicely told me to put them up on the table while showing me how to hold the area of each shirt nice and tight to help keep the material from bunching up as little as possible where he then proceded to autograph each shirt.

Under certain conditions I might agree that getting someones autograph just to resell it for a profit might be a bit seen as a cheap thing to do, but I don't agree in the cases here.
This was at the banquet where only those of us who had purchased a banquet ticket were allowed in. We paid to be there and Hulki and Parki freely autographed as time allowed anything and everything you could possibly bring up to them. Earlier before the banquet Hulki was wondering around the parking lot checking out the 400+ Fieros that were on display while freely signing all sorts of stuff then too, even Fieros. He and Parki then did the same thing again after the banquet as they went back out into the parking lot and talked to the massive Fiero crowd and continued to freely sign stuff.
They didn't mind at all and actually seemed to really get a kick out of it.

CFOG-I has also since added our 20th shirts to their club store section of their club site: http://www.cfogi.org/store.htm

Sorry if that ended up being kinda long winded.

Thanks for the space and hopefully your understanding

Steve

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quote Originally posted by blakeinspace: pics?

Sure Blake, you sick little monkey!

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Hey Boom,

I don't see any running around and shouting "Hulki is god!" Sorry, setting your head on fire is just not enough in today's world.

Joking again

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Paul Hosler
- Silver '87 GT Daily diver.
- Modified IMSA Tube chassis racecar (in progress)

I see no problem what so ever in selling this on ebay for any ammount people will pay. When have beaten this type of thing to death in the past. While the Fiero communtiy is a diverse and for the most part very friendly and very helpfuil group, we tend to forget that the best things in life are not free.

And that if people cannot make a profit at Fiero related items, there will be no new Fiero related items. How is selling this autographed hat any differant? He went thru the trouble of buying it and haveing it signed, he should be allowed to make a proffit on it.

Not all of us on here make 2 or 300,000 a year. Alot of us barely scrape by, and spend all our extra cash on these cars. But yet everyone wants something for free, or at cost. I would love if the world worked that way. Then I could buy a new car for 4 or 5 grand, a new computer for about 300 dollars, but it does not. Everythign has a profit margin in there. And I see no problem if he wants to sell it.

I wish I A. Had the money to buy a fiero piece signed by hulki, and B. Wish one was for sale. I personally do not really want a hat or a shirt, I want a dash panel or door panel or something along those lines signed by him. And if I had the cash I would find one and buy it.

quote Originally posted by Boomtastic: Sure Blake, you sick little monkey!

hahahaha... Hey pres, I think we found a new background for the ntfc.org webpage! Thanks boom! I needed a laugh!

On a different note, it appears your cap hasn't really caught anyone's attention on ebay... maybe someone started a rumor that it got burned in ceremonial sacrifice to the god Hulki.

Oh yeah... and good story about your decklid in the other thread. That was nice of your neighbor.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: However, after the shirt design was finalized, quantity and sizes finalized and actually ordered and created, the club had no extra funds available to then pay for them.

This is a technicality which I hate to even mention, but it could affect someone's decision whether to do business with either the Kelleys or CFOGi in the future. So I want to put people at ease.

Anyway, my understanding was that we were not yet ready to order the shirts, when it was determined the club didn't have the funds to do it. I never would have intentionally let anyone go out on a limb without knowing the funds were available. And I never asked the Kelley's to pay for them. They asked if we had any problem if they proceed to make them and sell them on their own, and of course we have no problem with that.

So it was an unfortunate situation, but it doesn't have to be if people buy the shirts. The shirts are nice, and the Kelleys are good folks, so I hope people will support the investment they made for everyone's enjoyment & memories of the event. At the same time, anyone can still be confident in doing business with CFOGi. The worst that can be said is that we had some miscommunication, or that I tried to rush into getting the shirts before knowing it was doable. I do accept the blame for that.

Everybody involved had -and still has- only the best of intentions.

Now, there are some shirts for sale, so get to the store and support the people who are trying to do good things for the Fiero commmunity! http://www.cfogi.org/store.htm