Does anybody have any close up photos of NOS3800's side scoops infront of the rear wheels or any info on how they were made/who made them?

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Upps reread the heading. Sorry

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I think he means these Ski

I'll see if I have a better shot

Bingo...that's exactly what I'm looking for. If anybody has any bigger or higher quality images if you could post them or email them to sleepgtfiero@hotmail.com it would be gretly appreciated. I'ld like to see the basic design behind them as I'm looking to do a one of a kind side panel along the same lines as his once it warms up a little.

As I understand it, he made them himself from PVC pipe, molded on to the side panels.

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quote Originally posted by Red86SEautox: I'll see if I have a better shot

I love the look of those scoops but when I start my side scoop project I don't think I'm going to angle the pipe into the body like that. I want it to run parallel to the body for awhile and then use a small section of 90 degree turn piping to join the back of the scoop to the body. Any one have any other ideas for a one of a kind side scoop...I'm interested in seeing what people's imaginations have come up with for these panels.

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Caleb Sarty

Black '84 SE 4 speed with blue gauge conversion and small interior mods...Stock otherwise, but not for long.

Nos,

Any build up photos of your side scoops ? They turned out great, have always liked them and your car.

Thanks for the compliments. I don't get many on the scoops. They are how do you say,"Different?"
OK, finally I can respomd with some pics! Sorry for the silence didn't think I should post without good pics. I didn't have any closeup shots unfortunately till today.
Exotic, sorry I built these before there were digital cameras. Yeah, they are that old!
Also, there are new products out there now that woulda made making these easier then they actually were.
NO, there is no PCV piping in these. Although that is a good idea. These are made from the exsisting Fiero panel and material. I cut a "C" shaped cut for each scoop. But not rounded, squared off. Know what I mean? Then I pulled that out(still attached at the backside) and heated it real good with a heat gun. I took a McDonalds( they are not paying me to advertize) supersixe cup cut down the center in half, and used it as a guide. I rounded the cut out portion till I was happy. They stuck out tooo far and there was a gap, at the top and bottum of each scoop so I used and old (none Fiero) bumper cover from work and cut out triangle shaped piece to fill in the gap till I got the proper height I wanted. I know its confusing.
I also had to cut a rectangle shape piece from the old cover to make the lip. By pulling the cut out portion back it didn't extended far enuff forward. So, from the side you could see into the Fiero engine area. I heated and rounded the rectangle strip to the shape of the front of the scope.
I glued all the pieces together with a 2 part epoxy called Duramix. There is a new line called FUSOR that is MUCH better that I would use if I ever do it again. The good part about the epoxy is that its easy to work with, dries quickly(2 hrs to sand), and extremely tuff! Its also 30-40 bucks a tube, and you should only need one tube. Once everything was glued together, I used the epoxy as a filler and smoothed everything out by sanding. Then I used body puddy to really get the shape and then finished with a poly body filler to clean it all up. I am amazed they have held up for as long as they have. I was just starting body work when I did these, so they are by far not pefect. They are not the same from side to side. Simply because I did the passenger side in a different manner then the driver side. The passenger side was done the way above. The driver side was done by pre making the scoop from the old bumper cover, and glueing the entire scoop to the Fiero panel after cutting it out. I had to do that because the exsisting Fiero air intake did not allow Me to use the same method as the passenger side. It came out good, but it doesn't look as nice as the other side. If I wasn't rushed(CARLISLE!!) I coulda taken my time and made it a mirror image of the otherside. But you can never look at bothsides at once, right?!

Here are closeup pics.


sorry about the salt its icey here in MD

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I've always liked Bill's side scoops, very unique.

Is that DIRT that I see?

Actually road salt. Daily drivers tend to get dirty.

Thank you soo much for the info on your scoops and the close up pictures. You definitely get a + from me. I think that I'm going to go with pvc piping unless I can find another material that would involve less fabrication as it will be my first time working with fiberglass. to avoid getting things in the scoop I'm toying with a few different ideas of mesh or rectangular vented openings. I really appreciate your detailed instructions on how you did yours. I'll keep this post alive as I tackle the project. I plan to take the panels off my parts car on Thursday or Friday and start gathering materials for the project over the weekend and than pick at it piece by piece on my days off. My digital camera is working again so I'll see about doing a write up with pictures as I go.

I don't have any problems from debris. If there is any it just falls through the bottom. I am lookinhg into a mesh grill to fill in the openings too.

IMPORTANT: When working on the scoops, you can not Lay them flat on a table. They need to stay somewhat rounded as they are on the car. I made this mistake on the first scoop. I got it done, and when I riveted it back to the car, the mud cracked! So, make sure they do not lay flat when you are doing your mud or fiber glass work!

quote Originally posted by NOS3800: IMPORTANT: When working on the scoops, you can not Lay them flat on a table. They need to stay somewhat rounded as they are on the car. I made this mistake on the first scoop. I got it done, and when I riveted it back to the car, the mud cracked! So, make sure they do not lay flat when you are doing your mud or fiber glass work!

That would have totally skipped my mind. You just saved me from a world of frustration and headaches.

Just a few questions for whoever can answer them.

1. I plan to add the aero bumpers and ground effects in the very near future to my car. How much room would I need to leave below my side scoops to accomidate the ground effects?

2. I was making up and schematic for my side scoops and when looking at pictures of my car I came across a problem. That problem would be the factory intake scoop. It appears to have quite a large area surrounding it which I'm going to need to make flush with the body as my sccops probably won't conver the whole thing. Any ideas on what I can do to raise that surrounding area to be flush with the rest of the panel? Keep in mind it would have to be fairly durable for flexing...however much flexing that panel would ever do if any.

Bump...bought all my materials and getting ready to start soon...need my last post questions answered first though.

as for the aero ground effects they are about 3 1/2 inches tall and for filling the air intake id say fiberglass but it isnt flexible u could use the glue that we use in bodyshop to glue bumpers very flexible think its uretane not sure u would have to check out on that one ausfiero could tell you more about this then me at this point well good luck with your project

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Thanks for the reply. I've got the materials and started the cutting of the pvc piping. I'm still waiting for a warm day to go out and rip the panels off of my parts car and repair the crack in the passenger side one. From what I remember it's not to bad. If it is in to poor shape I'll have to get one from jelly2m8 as he has some sitting sround his shop. I'm going to be starting a new ongoing thread about my project car "SleeperGT" so that I can keep all my build up records in one place. I'll post the link once I start the thread.

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Caleb Sarty

Black '84 SE 4 speed with blue gauge conversion and small interior mods...Stock otherwise, but not for long.

I measured from the top of my ground effect to the moulding and you have 11 inches to play with. My openings are 4 1/2 wide each.

4 1/2...okay that works out nicely. I kinda set my straight pvc pipe pieces against the panel on my car and it looked like I would have a few inches to play around with. Mine will have 4 inch openings but be about 4 1/4 inches wide with the pvc walls and be raised from the panel about two inches.

I started my project Fiero buildup page look for updates at https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/038150.html

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