Okay well here goes. I just can't hold off on posting something like this so I just did it. Well a few months ago, I talked to lowfierogt (Tony) about a low alternator bracket mount. He told me that he wanted $80 and my parts and he would just give me his mount in return. Well 2 weeks ago I finally got around to getting my stuff rounded up and sent out to him. I know it took a long time but it didn't matter to him because he wasn't selling them. I appreciated his helfpulness and willingness to help me get up and going good. Well I sent him my parts and well I failed to send him a money order since I sent everythign out on Presidents day. Now a personal check is the same as a money order in my mind just have to wait 2-3 extra days, I thought big deal right, NO!!!! He went crazy on me and said are you ****ing stupid and I told you to send a money order and also says I dont trust you or know you. He basically flipped out and told me that my parts were coming right back to me. Well here goes stage II of his bi-polar attitude with me. I said Tony u can't wait 3 days to get this cashed. He says I told you this and you messed up your deal. Told me to pay shipping back and that he didn't care about me. Ok I said this is just great. Anyways, I sent him an email and stuff and he finally became the bigger man here and decided to send me the mount. I had sent the stuff out already while he was bickering at me. Well I didn't ever remember his last name wrote the check with the wrong last name and now he says I have to pay shipping and all this to get my parts back. I just about gave up really and told him to just keep my parts if it was going to be this hard. He is obviously not a good person at heart, has misleading responses and fails to ever communicate clearly with me. I am very upset about this deal and gives me another reason to dislike dealing with Tony. I ordered his mounts for the install of the 3800 and he jumped all over me on that when I asked him some questions about his mounts. All I can say is I have lost interest in getting anything back just beacuse he is going to hold my parts hostage over $10 of shipping fees, come on, get real. I know too many people on this forum that trust me, and know me to know that I am not the person that would be in the wrong here. I have heard too many stories about lowfierogt from various people to give him anything more than negative feedback. His language and his attitude were unacceptable, and surprised me really. He told me if I couldn't do this and that I shouldn't have started a swap like this, well from reading the forum it seems to me like he didn't know what he was doing when he continued to think he was the man of the hour trying to get his 2.8L fuel pump to pump enough fuel for the 3800sc. That's why he blew it up and he is calling me an idiot and I shouldn't have started something like this. My friend did the swap and its ended up nicely I just thought he could help me get my mount all square but this is how I had to end it. Im really upset about the matter and thought it should be brought to other people's attention because I can't see him doing a 3800sc swap and not being a total ******* to the owner. Any thoughts on this would be great. Thanks for your time.
-Amir
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Maroon 1987 GT 5 spd: 2.8L Ferrari Red 1988 Formula 5 spd: 3800 Series II Supercharged In & Running.....
Now a personal check is the same as a money order in my mind just have to wait 2-3 extra days, I thought big deal right, NO!!!! Well here goes stage II of his bi-polar attitude with me. I said Tony u can't wait 3 days to get this cashed. -Amir
Wrong. Many institutions will charge the person cashing the check returned check fees if the check bounces.
I hate to see this type of post over ten bucks. I hope the two of you can work it out.
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Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5074 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
Wrong. Many institutions will charge the person cashing the check returned check fees if the check bounces.
I hate to see this type of post over ten bucks. I hope the two of you can work it out.
Yeah I understand that, its the fact that he can't trust me. I sent him $220 money order for my engine/tranny mounts for the 3800. I think many people have dealt with me and understand and know I am a honest person. I just hate deals like this. I mean I did a deal with mcaanda like 3 weeks ago where I sent him a personal check but he had already sent the parts out. That's what I call a good person and well everythign worked out there. Oh well.
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Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5074 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
im sorry for your misshap, is there anything i can do to help?
I appreciate it man, but I will have to come up with $150 for the brackets from someone else and then a dog bone bracket and pulley. Its just been a hassle everything with this. lowfierogt is a scum that's all I know. If he posts great, he has conversations saved, u make the decision. He doesn't have patience with anyone. I told him I would send a $80 money order the day after I sent the parts out and told him I sent a check and he said the parts are coming back to you. I have nothing really more to say about this. You guys make the decision.
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Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5074 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
Just spoke with him again on Messenger since he doesn't accept phone calls. I told him to keep the alt bracket if he was concerned about $9-10 for shipping the stuff back to me. He has my dog bone bracket and tensioner. Gawd what an ordeal, Im waiting for lowfiero to chime in and make me look like the ass in this situation.
Hopefully, you two can get this worked out. It's hard sometimes dealing with people, because you just don't know who you can trust. I've been burned before, but they were minor, and I try not to think about it when I do my online stuff...maybe he had stuff happen in the past, or he is going through a rough time...but he shouldn't take it out on you...!
This is a matter between me and you. Don't going telling everyone in the world how I screwed you. I saved the IM's for your Info. It started out bad when you sent me a Check and you where told to send a MO for 80$. I don't want your parts and I don't even want to deal with you. Send me a 10$ MO for return shipping and go on your way. I have nothing to say here. You know how to e-mail me.
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litespd Member
Posts: 8128 From: No where you want to be Registered: Aug 99
Amir, I know you, and I know you're an honest guy. I've never met Tony, nor had any business dealings with him. I HAVE heard a few stories about him, but I couldn't tell you if they were true or not.
That being said, there is a problem with BOTH of you here. First of all, it doesn't take an extra 2-3 days for a check. Most banks hold checks 7-10 BUSINESS days for clearing. That means that it could actually be 11 or 12 days before he gets paid. Secondly, you DID send him a money order...but you sent it out with the wrong last name. That MO, or check, or whateever you sent to him, is worthless. He can't cash it. It's not in his name. He asked you originally for a money order, but you sent him a personal check. Then you send him a money order, but you write the wrong last name on it. I can see where he might think, not knowing you, that you were jerking him around.
He should have been a little more calm, and more reasonable, in dealing with the problems you two had over this transaction. Yes, I can see your side of it...after all, you DID send him the money, and your parts. He DOES owe you the service he promised. So in that vein, he's in the wrong.
Bottom line...you both need to calm down, and figure this thing out. You're both in the right...and both in the wrong. I don't mean to upset either one of you by this post. But that's the way things look from here...
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KEV Member
Posts: 2590 From: Green Isle, MN Registered: Dec 2000
This is a matter between me and you. Don't going telling everyone in the world how I screwed you. I saved the IM's for your Info. It started out bad when you sent me a Check and you where told to send a MO for 80$. I don't want your parts and I don't even want to deal with you. Send me a 10$ MO for return shipping and go on your way. I have nothing to say here. You know how to e-mail me.
Man not my place to say anything but...CHILL OUT!!! It's not the end of the world.
You go and call me names on a public forum and you want me to help you out. Well I think not. Think about what you say before you say it. Send me a MO for return shipping and go on your way. I don't have to take this from you. And he Sent me a check with the wrong name and I don't want it. Bank will not even take it.
I just dont even want to deal with it anymore. Im sorry I ever contacted you. People can think what they want but I never did curse or do anything. Yeah I messed up with the check instead of money order but that doesn't mean you flip out on me and call me an idiot and say Im not doing this. Tony is bi-polar how can someone flip out about that. I sent 3 checks to 3 diff people. What is this forum for if people can't trust one another. I got all the info I need from the people that have met you and I know enough to know to not deal with you. If I am wrong in this situation so be it, all I am saying is you dont see me going crazy over my parts and calling you a complete idiot. You flipped, and need to work on your personality. At least I am mature enough to keep my composure when talking. Let me know when you are ready to act your age.
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KEV Member
Posts: 2590 From: Green Isle, MN Registered: Dec 2000
this did not have to get dragged out here on the forum. The title of this is "A deal gone bad, please read". It is a fussy point, but sending a check instead of the agreed Money Order is what made the deal go bad. Some people dont like checks. Some people dont like PayPal. Some people are cash only. But, how the transaction is to take place is important to many people for many reasons. most of which baffle me, but....thats the way it is... I have much experiance with people writing bad checks, my brother-in-law stole my checkbook and wrote many check before I caught up with him. So, I dont like checks either. I like PayPal. But, many people dont like PayPal, and that leaves Money Orders. Never ran into anyone who wouldnt take that. Good as cash, safe as checks. Just a pain to have to go get. Havenmt ran into any private deals using credit cards, tho Ebay made that easy for private people to accept Credit Cards. Anyways, Low may have been nicer, Rare messed it up.
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Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5074 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
I understand I messed up its the fact that he didn't even give me a second chance. I could have had the money order out to him the next day. Its okay I think I will find a better person to perform what I need. Its no big deal I just never met a person so angry at something, people make mistakes I guess you can't when you deal with him.
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Id have just waited till the next day and sent him the money order like he asked in the first place. Im not taking sides, but when you buy something follow each others instructions and you wont have problems. At least take the time to get the name of the other party. I get in that mode myself sometimes where someone doesnt follow what i tell them, and I tell them to just forget it.
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DustoneGT Member
Posts: 1274 From: The U.S. Superstate Registered: Dec 2002
It's not a matter of trust. It's a matter of business. You were told to send a money order and sent a check instead. That's no excuse for him to go off on you, but I haven't seen him go off on here, so I can't comment on that. Just send the $10 money order for shipping to get your parts back, or tell him to keep the parts. Either way and it's over.
Perhaps both of you can learn from this. When doing business with someone, you have to make sure you're abiding by the conditions of the deal. i.e. get the name right and use the correct form of payment. The flip side is also true, though. He could have held your check for 10 business days to make sure it cleared your bank, then sent the parts. Remember, the check has to clear YOUR bank, not the person who's cashing it. Until your bank pays, it could still bounce and charge back to him. That's why business with personal checks is a bad idea. I won't do it unless both parties agree in advance.
You came to me to make a part and I suggested you could have mine because my high mileage, low $$$ 3800 supercharged in my 88 gt blew up. one of the coolent hoses broke on the tow dolly taking it to MD So it would be down for a little while so I didn't need the parts and could remake my own. In return, I wanted one set of dew strips and another set of parts for my 3800. It turned out you wanted to send me the money instead. You also gave my phone # to some Weird guy to make his parts. the last thing I wanted to do was make more parts. You called me at almost 12am est time to talk. good one. This is what you get when you try to help someone. This thread should be deleted.
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mrfixit58 Member
Posts: 3330 From: Seffner, Fl, USA Registered: Jul 99
Lowfierogt - Why didn't you just cash the check and wait until it clears BEFORE you do the work? If the check was worthless, you'd lost nothing? If it cleared, build the bracket and send it. If Rare87GT wanted it faster than the couple oweeks it takes to clear, he could then send you a money order and cancel payment of the check (which will cost you NOTHING and he pays for the stop payment). Either way, just don't do the work until you get the real money. What's the big deal? If you offer a service for payment, and you go all hostile, don't you think other potetial customers will hear about it and take their business elsewhere?
Lowfierogt - Why didn't you just cash the check and wait until it clears BEFORE you do the work? If the check was worthless, you'd lost nothing? If it cleared, build the bracket and send it. If Rare87GT wanted it faster than the couple oweeks it takes to clear, he could then send you a money order and cancel payment of the check (which will cost you NOTHING and he pays for the stop payment). Either way, just don't do the work until you get the real money. What's the big deal? If you offer a service for payment, and you go all hostile, don't you think other potetial customers will hear about it and take their business elsewhere?
Read more of the post. I don't need any business. I'm done with helping people. Who said I had to be nice.
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fieroX Member
Posts: 5234 From: wichita, Ks Registered: Oct 2001
So, arent you the guy that wants to do swaps for people? Who did your swap Tony? How is that 2.8L fuel pump working out for you? Oh wait, thats why it blew up, not enough fuel. Boosted engine, not enough fuel, bang, slam pow. Peace out. Send Amir his parts back. And get a damn paypal account. Who on this earth only takes money orders. What year is this 1979?
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Pontiac Boi Member
Posts: 711 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Aug 2003
Lowfierogt - Why didn't you just cash the check and wait until it clears BEFORE you do the work? If the check was worthless, you'd lost nothing? If it cleared, build the bracket and send it. If Rare87GT wanted it faster than the couple oweeks it takes to clear, he could then send you a money order and cancel payment of the check (which will cost you NOTHING and he pays for the stop payment). Either way, just don't do the work until you get the real money. What's the big deal? If you offer a service for payment, and you go all hostile, don't you think other potetial customers will hear about it and take their business elsewhere?
Like most here there're things both sides could've done. But as for the check, he couldn't cash it since it didn't have his name.
So, arent you the guy that wants to do swaps for people? Who did your swap Tony? How is that 2.8L fuel pump working out for you? Oh wait, thats why it blew up, not enough fuel. Boosted engine, not enough fuel, bang, slam pow. Peace out. Send Amir his parts back. And get a damn paypal account. Who on this earth only takes money orders. What year is this 1979?
Looks like you have your own problems, little boy. I remember all the problems with your cheap install job. Nice 2 X 4 engine mounts little boy. And my engine never blew up in my 86. Ya, What happened to your 3800 service. Oh, thats right they looked at your car and said no way would I want him to put my engine in. Take a look at my car and look at yours. Mine is a Top notch install. I would love to see your install look like mine. Unlike you I'm not a little boy delivering Pizza's. So go back to your Pizza job and mind your own business.
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PURPLE REIGN Member
Posts: 4080 From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold Registered: Sep 2002
i agree with fierox, not to mention ryan and amir are the best people in doing transactions with and when you deal with them everything will turn out right.
you talk up your swap and you didnt even do it. fieroSTS did, fag. So do your customers know that? My wood insulator has been gone and replaced with a poly one from WCF for over a year now. Im in the process of building a pair of custom tig welded aluminum ones now. Wanna race, turtle?
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stimpy Member
Posts: 8197 From: Salinas, CA Registered: Jan 2000
this did not have to get dragged out here on the forum. The title of this is "A deal gone bad, please read". It is a fussy point, but sending a check instead of the agreed Money Order is what made the deal go bad. Some people dont like checks. Some people dont like PayPal. Some people are cash only. But, how the transaction is to take place is important to many people for many reasons. most of which baffle me, but....thats the way it is... I have much experiance with people writing bad checks, my brother-in-law stole my checkbook and wrote many check before I caught up with him. So, I dont like checks either. I like PayPal. But, many people dont like PayPal, and that leaves Money Orders. Never ran into anyone who wouldnt take that. Good as cash, safe as checks. Just a pain to have to go get. Havenmt ran into any private deals using credit cards, tho Ebay made that easy for private people to accept Credit Cards. Anyways, Low may have been nicer, Rare messed it up.
Yeah sure he may have been nicer. Come on man. No one knows this guy, have you ever met Tony? I haven't even met him and I know he's a scumbag. I have enough references to know that I shouldn't have started dealing with him in the first place. You dont tell someone this and that and then just flip. I already told you guys I made the mistake of sending him a check but what's the big deal, wait the extra days if he really wanted some money. His communication skills are the worst ever. If you can't answer your phone then you have a problem. I didn't even know his name I just assumed it because I thought it was this from last time. I guess not. He has a name he goes by on the internet and I used it. He flipped out the first day I told him I sent a check instead of a money order. I also told him I would send him out a money order and pay the 25 bucks to cancel the check, he says no its over, the deal. I didn't even know this guy's last name, I didn't remember from the mounts and he never told me any info other than his address, that's his fault. I was also getting tired of his one word responses to everything. Making an alternator mount may not be that big of a deal, but it still was put upon him. Point is he talks trash on me for not doing an engine swap a punk kid and all this. Tells me he doesn't care about this and that and I should make my own part. He needs to seek therapy for his issues. Bi-polar attitude. So everyone in here has never made a mistake in their life, he flipped when I made one. What happens when you are married, people make mistakes does that mean everyone gets a divorce. If everyone was like Tony how could there be any good things? Everyone is obviously taking sides. Im 22 he is 27 he is older and wiser, that's fine. Just to let you guys know I accepted a check from Shaun41178 for my coated 3.4 headers in the amount of $500 if I remember right, sent the headers out the next day. He gave me his phone # address and bank info if I needed it. Ive done many dealings on PFF, never had an issue. I just am glad I didn't do things right because I know the real Tony despite me messing up, he's a fraud. But who listens to the younger kid? Hey Tony who does your work anyways?
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40982 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
That's where low should live so no one would care about him. No one needs him, and how in the world is this guy doing a swap? That's what gets me. They are going to have great fun dealing with his super attitude.
Yeah sure he may have been nicer. Come on man. No one knows this guy, have you ever met Tony? I haven't even met him and I know he's a scumbag. I have enough references to know that I shouldn't have started dealing with him in the first place. You dont tell someone this and that and then just flip. I already told you guys I made the mistake of sending him a check but what's the big deal, wait the extra days if he really wanted some money. His communication skills are the worst ever. If you can't answer your phone then you have a problem. I didn't even know his name I just assumed it because I thought it was this from last time. I guess not. He has a name he goes by on the internet and I used it. He flipped out the first day I told him I sent a check instead of a money order. I also told him I would send him out a money order and pay the 25 bucks to cancel the check, he says no its over, the deal. I didn't even know this guy's last name, I didn't remember from the mounts and he never told me any info other than his address, that's his fault. I was also getting tired of his one word responses to everything. Making an alternator mount may not be that big of a deal, but it still was put upon him. Point is he talks trash on me for not doing an engine swap a punk kid and all this. Tells me he doesn't care about this and that and I should make my own part. He needs to seek therapy for his issues. Bi-polar attitude. So everyone in here has never made a mistake in their life, he flipped when I made one. What happens when you are married, people make mistakes does that mean everyone gets a divorce. If everyone was like Tony how could there be any good things? Everyone is obviously taking sides. Im 22 he is 27 he is older and wiser, that's fine. Just to let you guys know I accepted a check from Shaun41178 for my coated 3.4 headers in the amount of $500 if I remember right, sent the headers out the next day. He gave me his phone # address and bank info if I needed it. Ive done many dealings on PFF, never had an issue. I just am glad I didn't do things right because I know the real Tony despite me messing up, he's a fraud. But who listens to the younger kid? Hey Tony who does your work anyways?
Actually, a person with bipolar disorder is manic depressive. Did you learn anything in school, drama queen? Put your pantyhose back on. We're not friends and I don't take personal checks. Deal with it or I can send your parts back at your expense. And by the way, I do all my own work. If you could do your own, you wouldn't be bothering me.
you talk up your swap and you didnt even do it. fieroSTS did, fag. So do your customers know that? My wood insulator has been gone and replaced with a poly one from WCF for over a year now. Im in the process of building a pair of custom tig welded aluminum ones now. Wanna race, turtle?
Fiero STS is a good teacher. He's good hearted and not a Jack like you. He knew more about wiring and has done a fine job on his N*. I'm sure my customers would love to know How I learned to wire the 3800. Unlike you my workmanship is top notch. WA wa. When I was your age, I had a good job and my own home. I don't go around calling people a fags. Love to see you get a real job calling people names. I don't care about racing unlike you I don't need to **** fight.
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Jaygee79 Member
Posts: 4259 From: Dartmouth, MA Registered: Mar 2000
Read more of the post. I don't need any business. I'm done with helping people. Who said I had to be nice.
Had to laugh at this one.
You could've just had him send a money order to replace the check and he could've stopped payment on the check. But no, it does make much more sense to blow a gasket over it.
Low, if you're trying to make yourself look like a bad businessman, you're doing a bang-up job.
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fieroX Member
Posts: 5234 From: wichita, Ks Registered: Oct 2001
haha, you had to learn. I wired my 3800 from a schematic, and about 6 hours of trial and error. And if you think I do crappy work or whatever, you should see what ive got going on right now. You have no clue. I dont need a job, i have money, I have cars and I can do whatever I want. i still plan on doing engine swaps for people, Im saving for a 26 foot uhaul truck now. Im done here, just send Amirs parts back, and go away.
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Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5074 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
That's exactly how I felt about it Jaygee79. When he did that I kind of lost interest in his services. I would have been happy to repair the problem but he went stirfry on me.