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ok everybody, this project is in the final stretch and i need your help. In the spirit of cooperation that surrounded this project im turning to you the forum members to help make YOUR dvdv as good as it can be. So i need as many eyeballs on this as i can get today to insure that the info is accurate. heres your chance to contribute if you havent yet. Following is a scipt for the voice over on a section of the DVD. Ihad been trying to flesh it out with eric, but this as as far as we got.

please just reply with your suggestions, not rewrites as this thread could become a bear to sift through...
Im recording today so post quick if you can. all itallic text is script i need help on.

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20th GM ROW CARS SCRIPT
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[pace car 1]

In 1984, three identical Fiero Pace Cars were built for the Indianapolis 500.
All three were were present at the race, but the 20th Anniversary only saw two of them reunited.

Brought out of storage by the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Hall of Fame Museum,
the "number one" car was the only one of the three that was actually driven at the Indy 500 by John Callies on May 27, 1984.
This car can be easily identified by a circular hole cut into the right rear tail lamp for the ABC camera lens to point through.
All the hardware that held and powered the camera is still in tact in the trunk.
Although the car was recorded at 144 mph in testing, it averaged a respectable 136 mph on certification day.
This was the third four-cylinder car to pace the Indianapolis 500 in the sixty-seven years since the racing tradition began in 1911.


[90 prototype]

Had Pontiac continued production of the Fiero, what you're looking at would have probably hit the street in 89 or 90.
This is the Fiero GTA Experimental Vehicle, or what is commonly referred to as the 90 Prototype.
This model sported a split rear lid section allowing independent access to the trunk, the engine, or both.
This car is longer than the production Fiero and had numerous improvements,
such as quad headlamps with a redesigned motor assembly, much like the ones used in the Corvette,
improved suspension, increased wheel sizing, and better aerodynamics to name a few.
There were four different body styles tested, including a coupe and three GTs, each with different tail lamp and fascia styling.
There were four 90 prototypes. A four-cylinder coupe, a six-cylinder coupe, a Formula based on the coupe, and the GT.
The four-cylinder prototype was rumored to have a quad four in it and the six-cylinder car was rumored to have a special "luxury" interior.
This was the only running 90 GT prototype built, The rest were clay mock-ups.

The 3.2 Liter Dual Over Head Cam in the car was a post Fiero design and never intended for use in the Fiero.
Sadly, the Fiero program was cancelled long before the development of that engine.
The car was originally equipped with a stock Fiero 2.8 Liter V6.

[last fiero]

This red '88 GT is the last Fiero ever built.
The last two, which were both fully loaded red GT's, were awarded to plant employees through a lottery drawing on the final day of plant operation.
In the last few weeks of production, all the assembly line workers went through their parts stock and set aside only the best parts to go on those last two cars.
On that day, at a plant dinner, two names were drawn:
Lou Manley and Mike Kelley.
A coin toss determined who would get the last of the two.
Lou called heads, and tails fell in Mike's favor.
Mike was able watch as all the employees took special care of this car.
Most of them signed the frame, undercarriage and the build sheet as it passed through the factory during its build.
After the raffle, the cars and factory workers were gathered for a final photo, and the plant was closed.
Mike has kept the car garaged here all these years, and has only taken it out for short runs.
At this show, the car had less than 400 miles on the odometer.

(possible insert)

Very little is actually known about the next three cars.
But what we do know is that in order to test the feasibility of a design, some test models must be made.


[convertible]

GM made a few different variations of the Fiero including this convertible.
The rag top completely folds down into a space behind the seats and is buttoned up with custom molded covers for a roadster look.
Appointed with a matching custom red leather interior, this model would have turned a few heads had it been made.

[turbo]

GM also considered the idea of building a turbo Fiero.
As you can see here, the inter-cooler was housed in the rear spoiler with flexible tubes that ran air into the 2.8 Liter V6 engine.


[2+2]

Pontiac never planned on releasing this Fiero -
it was strictly built to showcase the strength of the Fiero subframe.
This 2+2 Concept Fiero can accommodate two very small passengers in the rear seats.
A separate Delco radio is installed in the stretched center console for their enjoyment.
Wes Zaydel, (zay-del) a plastics engineer for the Fiero,
was quoted as saying that the roof shape was difficult to build correctly due to the lengthening.


[huffaker]

In 1984, Pontiac asked Joe Huffaker to build a Fiero IMSA Camel GTU racing car.
After crafting the GT-like frame for this car, he developed a Super-Duty four-cylinder engine to power it.
This engine proved extremely potent in many forms of racing.
In total, fifteen Huffaker Fiero race cars were produced.
This Fiero here was popularly known as "Earl's Pearl" due to the numerous victories won while being driven by Bob Earl in 1985 and 86.
Aside from breaking numerous records,
out of 27 races he earned 16 pole positions, scored ten victories, set ten fastest race laps,
and took first place at four different tracks: Miami, Road Atlanta, Mid-Ohio, and Portland.
These cars have been reported as winning championships as late as 1999.


[ppg]
The Pontiac Performance Group created seven of these cars for use at various events such as races,
and as in this case, their "Precision Driving Team".
These cars were originally notch-backs as you may notice by identifying the coupe tail lamps.
The most identifiable features of the PPG cars were the custom front nose that was installed and the special rear body treatment,
which actually made them the first real fastbacks.

[formula]

This car is the first documented use of the name "Formula" on a Fiero.
Featured in the October 1987 edition of Hot Rod, it was built by the Pontiac Performance Division.
Originally equipped with a Dual Over Head Cam Super Duty 4, this car used to produce 273 horsepower.
In order to handle the extra power this car would deliver, the rear suspension was beefed up with FireBird parts.
According to Hot Rod, during on road testing the car "easily stood up on the wheelie bars".
Today however, the car is powered by a stock 2.8 V6.

[first fiero]

In the Spring of 1983, 41 pilot cars were produced to test assembly line issues and to be used for driving tests.
Most of those cars were crushed, but some made it into museums.
This was the first one to come off that line.
The moment it exited the plant, the VIN Tags were taken off to prevent it from being sold.
From that day forward, it proudly welcomed all visitors to the Fiero plant for as long as it was in operation.
It now resides in the storage facility at GM. You might notice that the left side air intake is absent from this car.
The Fiero's initial design assumed that the engine would be cooled by drawing air from an intake below the car.
But early tests with these cars proved that road debris that was collected clogged the air filter in a very short period of time.
GM immediately demanded a design revision in which an air intake was added to the driver's side with an internal water separator.


[pace car 2]

Joining its sister car is the "number two" Indy Fiero courtesy of General Motors.
This car was commonly refered to as the "first back-up car".
Unfortuantely, the "number three car" or "second back-up car" was crushed in the fall of 1998.
Like the other two, this one was meticulously trimmed in a custom two-tone grey
and red accented interior and appointed with official Indy 500 insignias and racing trim.
Although 2000 consumer Indy Fieros were made,
only these three were powered by the legendary 2.7 liter super duty four-cylinder engines,
and cranked out an attention getting 232 horsepower.
The adapted F-Body braking system could stop the car from 125 miles per hour in 500 feet.

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Report this Post03-09-2004 11:20 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MinnGreenGTClick Here to visit MinnGreenGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to MinnGreenGTDirect Link to This Post
Hmmm... I seem to recall a caption in an old Fiero calendar about the PPG Fieros being used by one of the racing series as pace cars - some of which were driven by the daughters of top race drivers. I'll have to see if I can find that tidbit...

Here we go... from: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20030819-1-026768.html

 
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The type on the bottom of the photo say:"PPG Pace cars built on '86 GT chasis with complete body changes, turbo engines, special paints, special cast wheels. They were driven by young ladies, some of which were daughters of the race car drivers."

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Report this Post03-09-2004 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Maetrix66Click Here to visit Maetrix66's HomePageSend a Private Message to Maetrix66Direct Link to This Post
Are there any dyno numbers from the turbo fiero?? Those would be good to include,
I would also make note of the the drivetrain of the Huffaker fiero,
also the stories of the turbo fiero at daytona would be an interesting addition, since they are probably what
scared Chevy into killing off our fiero.

Is there video footage of all of these fieros on the DVD??

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Report this Post03-09-2004 11:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sastianClick Here to visit sastian's HomePageSend a Private Message to sastianDirect Link to This Post
I just need info that can easily be spoken in about 10-15 seconds for each car... im going to record the completed ones....
I really appreciate your help
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You have a PM. Respond if desired, but not necessary. Looking forward to the DVD!
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last fiero...

This red '88 GT is the last Fiero ever built. The final 2 cars, both matching fully loaded red GT's, were raffled off to factory workers on the final production day of the plant.

- OR -

"... on the final day of the plant's production"

I just think either of those sound better than "on the final day of the plant being open". Personal preference, perhaps.


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I beat you to it actually in my chicken scratch....
il post an update

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I edited the script above to reflect some changes. I would still love to get the specs on the lenght difference of the 2+2. I know i saw some people measuring the 90 at the 20th. Did anyone attempt to get specs on the 2+2?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't ABC always broadcast the Indy 500? You reference a CBS camera hole in the pace car.
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Originally posted by GTGeff:

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't ABC always broadcast the Indy 500? You reference a CBS camera hole in the pace car.

That's right! That was the year Jack Arute joined the broadcast team.
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Report this Post03-10-2004 12:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RAREW66Click Here to visit RAREW66's HomePageSend a Private Message to RAREW66Direct Link to This Post
I noticed some errors that you might want to correct.

The number one Indy Pace Car from IMS is the car that had the ABC camera in the trunk. John Calles drove the car during the race. The "number two car" is the car that was brought in by GM. This car was commonly refered to as the "first back-up car". The "number three car" or "second back-up car" was crushed in the fall of 1998.

The proposed 90 prototypes where originally going to be 89 models, but design (mostly to do with the material to be used in the intake/rear deck) and supplier delays moved the newly designed models to 90. The coupe and Formula models would have arrived at the dealerships at the normal Fall of 89 debut. The GT and GTP model would have been released in the spring of 90 similiar to when the 86 GT Fastback was introduced. There were 4 90 prototypes. A 4 cylinder coupe, a 6 cylinder coupe, a Formula based on the coupe, and the GT. The 4 cylinder prototype was rumored to have a quad four in it and the six cylinder car was rumered to have a special "luxury" interior. The red 90 Fiero is the "Stealth" Car. This was the only running 90 GT prototype built. The rest were clay mock-ups. The 3.2L DOHC in the car was a post Fiero design and never intended for use in the Fiero. We have not been able to find the history as to how or why that engine is in the car. That engine would have been a very good choice, IMO, but the Fiero program was cancelled long before the development of that engine. It originally had the stock Fiero 2.8 in it.

If it matters, the last two 88 Fieros were not fully loaded. They did not have the RWD, the Subwoofer, and had cloth seats with no power lumbar. Last day of production was 08-16-88.

I hope this helps you out.

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Fred-
You are the man. I should have known youd post something since I have you in about 50% of the footage im editing. I'll rewrite the scripts before I hit the sack....

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Originally posted by RAREW66:

The number one Indy Pace Car from IMS is the car that had the ABC camera in the trunk. John Calles drove the car during the race. The "number two car" is the car that was brought in by GM. This car was commonly refered to as the "first back-up car". The "number three car" or "second back-up car" was crushed in the fall of 1998.

If anything this has to be included. its one of those questions I asked while editing.

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Report this Post03-10-2004 10:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RAREW66Click Here to visit RAREW66's HomePageSend a Private Message to RAREW66Direct Link to This Post
If this helps to:

The car used a detuned 2.7L Super Duty Four cylinder that developed 232 hp at 6500 rpm and 210 lb ft of torque at 5500 rpm. The modified braking system could stop the car from 125mph in 500 ft. The car was recorded at 144 mph in testing and averaged 136 mph on certification day. The car was the first four cylinder to pace the race since the 1912 Stutz.

I will leave it at that because ther is still more I can provide. Let me know if you need anything else.

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The Horsepower rateing of the Pontiac Fiero is a little over rated,primarely due to the lip or edge on each exhaust manifold's inner ports.Acording to the article called "All Fired up",the stock Fiero v6 dynoed in at a peak corrected horsepower of 110 at 4500 rpm, significantly lower than the advertised 125hp.The KFG web sight shows that by,removeing the lip or edge on the "stock exhaust manifolds" will produce 162hp from a stock v6 motor at 4,500 rpm.But with there aftermarket,slightly larger exhaust manifolds, will produce 168hp at 4,500rpm.Only goes to show, you can boost the horse power with a little or alot of effort.
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Well Fred (or anyone with the knowledge),

if you got any info on the cars that we're light on info for that would be awsome... the ones i think are lighton content are...

convertable, PPG, huffaker, the 2+2 & the turbo

since im trying to time it out to about 15-20 seconds each i wont need too much more on the pace.. but ill tweak it.
whatever you got on those mentioned above will help... im sandbagging to make sure all the results are "in" before requesting a re-recording so i can get it in one take.
Thanks man

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After much time on the phone with Fred the final VO script has been sent off. I have updated the first post with the changes. Editing should take place tonight for these peices.
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Latest info please........
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will be authoring the master DVD this week. (encoding it to MPEG2 & AC3 an bit-budgeting it to fit.)

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I was just thinking about this earlier
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the understanding that GM(along with a few other manufacturers) was contracted by PPG paint to produce a Fiero Pace car for them @ 1986.

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Sastian,
Are you going to have this avaialble for sale at Fiero's at Carlisle next month????

Thanks

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Are we there yet???
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We are pulling into the station.B)
and to answer an earlier post
it should be available at all future car shows.

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was working on the liner notes today. and as im reading the Feb 04 "Fiero Pride" i got around to reading the "rare" Fieros section where they highlighted the cars GM brought out. I'm reading it and thinking. man this all sounds too familiar! then i panicked! and thought $#!T! this is almost word for word what we put on our DVD! they're gonna think we plagiarized this! Then i remembered this thread comparing dates i realized its more than likely taken from here. Ahhhhh... Well mow i can contact the publisher to ask for permission to use a few paragraphs from that issue for the liner notes with little fear of denial

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Originally posted by sastian:

was working on the liner notes today. and as im reading the Feb 04 "Fiero Pride" i got around to reading the "rare" Fieros section where they highlighted the cars GM brought out. I'm reading it and thinking. man this all sounds too familiar! then i panicked! and thought $#!T! this is almost word for word what we put on our DVD! they're gonna think we plagiarized this! Then i remembered this thread comparing dates i realized its more than likely taken from here. Ahhhhh... Well mow i can contact the publisher to ask for permission to use a few paragraphs from that issue for the liner notes with little fear of denial

I know that there won't be an issue with the use of the wording. Use it.

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well heck, now that I look at the top of the page it's an article that you wrote man
You get those DVD's yet? they shipped yesterday at 3pm

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