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This Month's Progress in the Sterling Garage (pics) UPDATE! by VortechGT
Started on: 03-15-2004 07:42 PM
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Report this Post03-15-2004 07:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
Here are some updated pics of what has been going on in the Sterling Garage this month:

Here is a front profile shot with the front end all bolted up.

17" Enkei Zoku's (soon to be powedercoated Gold)

A rear profile shot for ya.

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Report this Post03-15-2004 07:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JncomuttSend a Private Message to JncomuttDirect Link to This Post
And a wonderfully working E-Brick...
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New gauges installed and ready.

Roll Bar all bolted in.

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Here's the Vortech Supercharged 3.3 all wired and ready to start up.

Another shot showing the plumbing.

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Here's some updated pics of my other project car. Not a Fiero but still a fun ride.

APS FMIC installed as well as a JUN front bumper from Japan

Close up of the FMIC

Lots of plumbing.... LOL

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Look Imports and Domestics can get along........... LOL

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Originally posted by Jncomutt:

And a wonderfully working E-Brick...

You never can be too safe.

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Report this Post03-15-2004 07:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mcaandaSend a Private Message to mcaandaDirect Link to This Post
Roll cage question for ya:

Where did you get ahold of that, or did you make it yourself?

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Report this Post03-15-2004 08:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Slammed FieroSend a Private Message to Slammed FieroDirect Link to This Post
THAT WRX IS BADASS

Oh yeah nice Fiero too


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Report this Post03-15-2004 08:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for all the great compliments!

The Roll Bar is a custom piece based off of the Hooker bar that was released some time ago.

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Report this Post03-16-2004 08:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
I should have somo more pics as soon as I get the WRX out of the Body Shop. I should also have the Fiero running in a couple of weeks, so I will try to post up some video as soon as I have it tuned.
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Report this Post03-16-2004 08:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
Okay witch is fastest?
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Report this Post03-16-2004 09:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post
Awesome cars! Where can I get more info on that supercharger?

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That's looking real sharp man. How close are ya to running that thing around, and how much power you expecting? Hope I can get mine half as clean someday.

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Report this Post03-16-2004 12:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
Thanks everyone.

I hope to get around 250-275 to the wheels with the Fiero when I get everything tuned and up the boost to around 14-15 psi.

I should have the Fiero running within the next month that way I can have it broken in by mid summer and get it on the dyno so I can get some base lines to help in tuning it.

Not sure which is gonna be faster, probably the WRX especially since I have yet to install the cams and the new Turbo. But we will have to wait and see what the dyno says. The WRX is putting down 311 HP and 281 FTLBS now, but with the new turbo it should be closer to 400 HP.

The supercharger is a Vortech VS-9. It is capable of running up to 19lbs of boost but I will only be running at 6-9 PSI during break-in then eventually up the boost to 14-15PSI. The motor is built to handle more but I really don't want to push it. Yet.

There are some better pics of the supercharger on another thread that I posted up last week, here's the link:

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/039216.html

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Report this Post03-16-2004 12:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post
Was installing the supercharger a long process with a lot of custom work or did it go fairly smoothly?
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Report this Post03-16-2004 02:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
It was a little bit of both. LOL

It started off as a Kit that RSM offer's but I did not like the way the bracket mounted or the position of the drive pulley so I had a new bracket and idler pulley made for it as well as some tweeks on the plumbing.

But all things considered it went very smooth, although it has taken almost 3 years to get the car this far. Of course I was rebuilding the car from the ground up

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Report this Post07-08-2004 11:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post
dyno'd yet?

3.3 = bored out 2.8?
or destroked 3.4?

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043426.html

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Report this Post07-08-2004 11:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
It's a 2.8 stroked to a 3.1 then bored to a 3.3 with a Forged Bottom End.

I haven't gotten it dynoed yet, I am still working out some of the bugs with the fuel system, but I should have it mobile towards the end of this month.

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Report this Post07-08-2004 11:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post
just curious but why not use a 3.4 block for the increased cylinder wall thickness?
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Report this Post07-08-2004 12:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
Cause I am using a All Aluminum 2.8 Block From GM Performance.
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Did you have to notch the inside of the block to clear the longer throw of the 3.1 crank? What I mean is to notch it for the rods since there is a longer stroke. Gm states that a 3.1 crank has too long of a throw however GM did build a 3.4 all aluminum motor for the Beretta Pace car. Which means they did use a 3.1 crank. So I was wondering if any block work had to be done to allow clearence for the rods with the longer stroke crank. Thanks
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Report this Post07-08-2004 02:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
There was no block work involved, except for the usual cleaning of the journals and bearing seats. The 3.1 crank dtrops right into the 2.8 block, but the pistons do have to be changed in order to compensate for the longer stroke. I replaced mine with TRW Forged Pistons since I was going to be running a supercharger.
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Report this Post07-08-2004 02:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post
wow - sounds like you are really doing this build up right - gonna look basicly stock but with an extra half liter plus boost and less weight

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Report this Post07-09-2004 07:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
Yeah, about the only thing that will give it away is the plumbing, that and the constant whine coming from the supercharger.
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I really like the idea of an aluminum block! Are you making any plans for a different intake manifold? It seems to me that after all that work you would want to get a manifold capable of a little more airflow and maybe some headwork and a larger cam (which you may have done already). Anyway, that's really impressive! Good work!
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First of all let me start by saying good job on the buildup... the 60* V6's have alot of potential that people just dont see, looks to me like you have read your ERA books are you going with the 5-speed tranny? you did mention that it was an all aluminum 2.8 block stroked to a 3.1..........i was just wondering if you really stroked it or just replaced the sleeves with 3.1 sleeves.....keep up the good work!
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Report this Post08-16-2004 02:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the comments.

I am looking into designing a new intake manifold but I just haven't gotten around to sitting down with some of my engineer friends and working out the details yet.

As for the head work and larger cam, I also had that done. The heads have been ported an polished and port matched I had oversized stainless steel valves installed as well as roller rocker's forged pushrods, titanium retainers double laced valve springs and so on.

The cam is also a custom ground cam to work better with the boost curve of the motor, I can't remember the specs of hand (it's on my cam index card at home).

No if I can just get the darn thing to start I will be in good shape. I have been having a bunch of little problems with the Ignition system and a leaky injectors, but hopefully I can get it running and broken in this fall so I can get some dyno number for it.

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First of all let me start by saying good job on the buildup... the 60* V6's have alot of potential that people just dont see, looks to me like you have read your ERA books are you going with the 5-speed tranny? you did mention that it was an all aluminum 2.8 block stroked to a 3.1..........i was just wondering if you really stroked it or just replaced the sleeves with 3.1 sleeves.....keep up the good work!
-Roy

Thanks. Thats the whole reason why I decided to build up a 2.8 instead of going the normal route with a 3800 Swap or a V-8. I guess I just wanted to try something different.

The motor is stroked with a 3.1 liter crank, and then was bored over to about 3.3 liters. I have the Getrag tranny in it now with cryo treated gears and a complete rebuild along with new axles and Rodney's axles stabilzer axle seals. I hope to get some dyno number's sometime this fall and I will be sure to post the results.

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sent you a pm vortech
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bumpity.....


whats the status???

thanks Chris (black azz gt) for the heads up on this thread. Im suprised I missed it.

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Report this Post10-20-2004 10:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for VortechGTClick Here to visit VortechGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to VortechGTDirect Link to This Post
UPDATE!

I got the motor running this weekend after getting my timing close and tuning the fuel trims to a tolerable level and let's just say that it sounds more like a V-8 Ferrari than it does a Fiero

First impressions: It revs very fast, bascially if I blip the throttle it climbs to 4,000 RPM's ! It's almost like the supercharger isn't even there, I have heard of a few people saying that running a belt driven SC makes the car feel as if it has the AC on, well I have yet to feel that. It also makes 4 pounds of boost, while just reving it in the garage (Not under load). And I love hearing the noise of Fiero blowing off boost.

I hope to get my fuel pressure dialed in this weekend and maybe get some around the block break in runs with the car. So I will give everybody and update as soon as I can.

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