Hahahhaah sweet. I got the Official Oslo approval!!!! So here goes.
SH
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ok, that was actually really funny... but i digress.
on the nitrous, your 2.8 better either have low miles, or be in EXCELLENT running condition. i know enough about nitrous to know if there is anything wrong with the motor, nitrous will find it fast.
you may even want to do a full rebuild before you get to into this, or at least budget for it incase you do destroy the engine.
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DelawareFiero Member
Posts: 1050 From: Tod vor Schmach!! Registered: Apr 2004
Well, we tried doing nitrous on our own and discovered really quick that you need to know quite a bit about nitrous to do it right, so I called Holley directly and finally got a guy on the phone who stepped us thru the whole thing helping in ordering the right kit, connectors and so on. They even then worked with a guy at our local auto parts store here to help us in getting it installed correctly. I pretty much just stood back and took pics while the auto parts guy did the whole install I would recomend calling Holley as we did and have them help you
Steve
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
I need to buy a book on nos setups to get some learning in on that field... The only thing I know about it is it heats combustion chambers up pretty fast when you juice it, Im not sure but I think you will need a ignition box to retard the timing when you juice it. I still have yet to learn the differences between wet and dry kits.
There's a video somewere that has footage of a guy spraying 400hp of nitro into a stock 2.8 with a rod knock I heard that you can run a 75hp shot on a stock motor fine... But don't quote me on that I think a 2.8 can handle the 75hp shot but a duke you may need to jet it down a bit. There's threads on buildups on nitro do a search.
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Paul Prince Member
Posts: 2935 From: Kansas City, MO Registered: Dec 2002
Check out the manufacturers, most of them have .pdf install manuals with do's and dont's that you can view. I used an NX wet system with a 75 shot. I also used a TPS activation and a fuel pressure safety cutoff which will not allow the solenoids to ground unless a minimum fuel pressure is reached.
Get a base dyno run on the engine with a wideband O2 sensor, that is prolly the single best investment you can make, and start out with a small shot and dyno each one. Keeping the engine in the proper A/F ratio is what you MUST do with nitrous or a turbo for that matter.
BTW, if you watched the X-prize show, Space Ship One, used a nitrous based rocket motor, not that you would want to be the first Fiero in space ...........Paul
I need to buy a book on nos setups to get some learning in on that field... The only thing I know about it is it heats combustion chambers up pretty fast when you juice it, Im not sure but I think you will need a ignition box to retard the timing when you juice it. I still have yet to learn the differences between wet and dry kits.
wet kit injects fuel and nitrous oxide through the nozzle at the same time.. dry only injects nitrous and you have to have fuel management setup to increase the fuel flow to your injectors at the same time or you will burn a piston
I have a NX kit. Used it on a few of my fieros. Not one problem yet. My motor had about 83k on it when I installed the kit. Knocked about 2 seconds off my 1/4mi time. The best slip I can produce is a 14.5, but I think with practice it would have turned out better slips. The other fiero was a 3.4 with unknown milege (junkyard motor) but my buddy blew a ring before I got the bottle filled... I bet it woulda broke on the spray...
Now I have th kit in my white car, and I have it ready for a 50shot on my 3.4 and I will be at Lebanon Valley dragway tomorrow the 8th. I don't expect any problems from it. You don't need timing retard, etc. Just set the base timing to 10º, use colder plugs, I'm running an ignition and ported manis, borla. I also have a Fuel pres switch and a MSD RPM switch to cut out at 6000 incase I mis shift, or over rev, etc. If u search, u can prob find pics of the NX setup
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bryson Member
Posts: 737 From: Mt. Pleasant, SC, USA Registered: Sep 2002
Yeah, and then after that shot the rivets start to pop off the floor board and then sparks fly as it's dragging along the ground and finally flies off. That scene was more than a bit lame
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
Yeah, and then after that shot the rivets start to pop off the floor board and then sparks fly as it's dragging along the ground and finally flies off. That scene was more than a bit lame
Yeah that part was lame But it was not the lamest part I think the ending was very lame when the eclipse was able to keep up with the supercharged dodge.... That things front tires lifted off the ground and the guy only kept pushing his nos like it was candy to keep up and win LOL right.
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
The stunt people had a special "lift" set up under the Black Charger to make it do that wheelie. Then they used special digital effects to create tire burning smoke to cover up the lift under the car in the actual scene, but yeah the Eclipse keeping up with it like that was stretching it a bit even with nitrous. Overall the movie was like any other, pretty entertaining I guess. People love car movies, no matter how lame they are in places. The really good ones get talked about years later though as being classics, like Bullit and so on. Though even in Bullit the car lost like 5 hub caps in the famous chase scene. And at the end of the chase scene where the black car crashes and explodes into flames, the black car actually doesn't crash or even stop, but passes the crash spot at high speed as the special effects guys trigger the explosion to simulate the crash. I just wish in the first F&F movie that they had left out some of those really lame scenes like the floor board popping out and so on.
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
I liked some of the cars in the movie, didn't really like ricers before that movie, but they are growing on me. RX-7 Supra Eclipse Skyline Miata
I'd buy any of those.
You definitly want a wet nitrous system, its a fail safe for your pistons. If you don't upgrade your injectors with a dry shot you run the risk of going lean and melting a nice little hole in a piston. I've heard good things about NX (nitrous express) wet systems, check out their website.
I liked some of the cars in the movie, didn't really like ricers before that movie, but they are growing on me. RX-7 Supra Eclipse Skyline Miata
I'd buy any of those.
Right! The green Eclipse was actually shot up and blown to heck in the first half of the movie. The silver Slyline with right hand drive in 2F-2F was my favorite from the two movies. I'm not much into imports but I would love to have that one
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86_FiErO_GT Member
Posts: 266 From: Mill Creek,Washington,USA Registered: Jun 2003
did i say lets bag on Fast and The Furious or did i say i need help with a nitrous system?
I think what might be best in a situation like this is for you to call a few of the nitrous companies like Holley and ZEX and tell them what you have for a car and what you are thinking you want and have them help steer you in the right direction that is best for your car/engine and your wallet. No one is going to know whats best for your specific setup better then the actual companies that make the nitrous kits. Holley helped us out from A-Z and we were very pleased at the end.
Steve
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Don't listen to these Yahoo's . Search the Forum under 1FST2M6. What the hell would a guy running a 15 shot on a duke know about nitrous? it's there for show in his case. I ran a 75 Shot on my 2.8 4spd , it ran stong. Shaun Hammitt put numerous bottles through an 85 GT auto that would turn low 14's (slips to prove) with sub 2 sec 60 ft. MY experience with nitrous is that it's all in the prep , talk to the RIGHT people who have been running it for a while. Once you use it you will feel comfortable with it. I just picked up aSNiper Kit (N.O.S) from ebay for my Big Block Caddy
JM
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Mr. Pat Member
Posts: 1860 From: Melbourne, VIC Australia Registered: Apr 2003
Any wet kit will be fine. Be it Zex, NOS, or NX.I have an NX wet kit on my LT1 spraying a 100 shot. I installed it myslef, its real easy. Just get a kit for a FI GM motor.
------------------ 1986 GT, LT1/4T60E http://hometown.aol.com/ptfiero/index.html On the forum https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/045554.html more in depth look http://dtcc.cz28.com/LT1build/index.htm
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
At least some of us actually answered him right off with more than just a photoshopped picture Jonathan. In fact this response from you now isn't much better telling him to start searching the vast archives of PFF. If you and Shaun are so knowledgeable in this area then where is the detailed and helpfull info he is requesting? I'm not slamming you I'm just asking. Maybe his question might get better responses and info in the technical area?
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Fierophag ...I mean five ...shut your yap. You know nothing about nitrous. You still have yet to answer my question from long ago about which sized nitrous and bypass jet you are using in your kit. So do you want to answer that for me now?
And we say use the search becasue this has been discussed and answered so many times by both Me and Jon now that it gets stupid to keep typing in the same thing.
Take your green booger adn go away please. Also take taht new dirty ricer blue fiero you have as well and burn that while you are at it. I swear you and your rice brigade needs to knock it off. You are giving Fieros a bad name to the rest of the public. KNock it off already.
instead of spending all this money dumping money into these turd duke fieros you have, sell them all and do up one nice V6 fiero. I just might gain a shred of respect for you then. But probably not.
SH
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TaurusThug Member
Posts: 4271 From: Simpsonville, SC Registered: Aug 2003
i think they were referring to NAWZ!!! if you are cheap and want a dry kit ive got one minus the bottle for sale right now... just pm me and ill send you some pictures of it if you want.
I put a DRY nitrous kit on my 88 forumula, running a .46 jet on the Zex cone (aprox 100hp shot) and ran atleast 10 10lb bottles in it and she is still running as shitty as it did before I started, actually the check engine light went away after I started using it.
I had NOS but Id go with Zex or maybe NX if I did it again, NOS has some shitty parts
Kyle
------------------ 1988 Fierhoe Formula 2M6 5 Speed - CRX Intake, NOS dry kit, ZEX Ejector Air Amplifier, Taylor Wires, NGK UR5 plugs, MSD 6AL Ignition /w 2 step rev control, MSD Blaster 3 coil, WCF dog bone, WCF engine mount, Autometer Ultra-Lite guages (A/F,Vac.), KYB GR2's, Sequential turn signals, Rapid 3rd brake light.... Recurring donator 1995 Honduh civic EX - turbocharged B18B1 13.2 @ 107 on stock internals and junk yard turbo set up with PVC pipe
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
Geeze, can you two be any more insulting? Once again you two had a perfect opportunity to actually use your apparent knowledge to help and instead you decided do what you do best, call people names, be rude and totally insulting as usual. Very nice. At least that answers a lot of questions people were wondering lately. Sorry but my sons green F&F Fiero and my daughters silver blue coupe are here to stay no matter how many new id's you two are forced to try and sneak back in under and wish otherwise Oh, and by the way Shaun, we have a few V6's as well.
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TaurusThug Member
Posts: 4271 From: Simpsonville, SC Registered: Aug 2003
i like jordans fiero for one reason.... its WAY different from any other fiero ive ever seen... i dont like it because its the fiero version of Paul Walker/Spilner's 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T (which blew up for no apparent reason in the movie)... but other than that and the wing its a cool ride. and tarrahs car is just cool because of that awesome paint... i mean come on where else would you see that? its just spiffy. and can we take the flame war thats starting to unfold to PM's PLEASE!!!
Well well well Interesting thread here. As most know I'm in the middle of a Wet kit install myself. Mad Props to the Punisher for coming thru numerous times to answer my questions (Bet SH and JM didn't expect that ) any hoot, from what I'm learning the Zex kits are pretty impressive since thier way cheaper than the venom kits and they use a module that reads the TPS voltage (without this you'll need to figure out WOT switch mounting) Next plan on spending a couple of Hundred on top of the kit cost for some safety items that the kits don't include (Nitrous Filter & Hobbs Switch) Yes you can run without these but they're highly recommended for your protection.
Nitrous rules not from 2F2F.
1. Retard timing 2 Degress for every 50 HP of Spray. 2. Spark plugs 1 to 2 heat ranges colder 3. Higher octane fuel with help reduce the chance of detonation, (100+ racing fuel ) 4. To a point Richer is better with Nitrous. Lean is never good with Nitrous. 5. Ensure your Fuel pump can handle the extra duty. 6. If your engine has an weak points Nitrous will help you loctae them quickly. 7. It's not super cheap, ie $3.50-$4.50 for (10bhp per lb per min.)
1. My NX kit doesnt' call for timing change. I'm at 75 on 10º with no probs. 2. Using NGK with good results 3. I'm using 93 pump gas and a NX fuel additive 4. as far as O2 volts go, I'm showing stoich. (haven't hit a wideband yet) 5. Stock fuel pump hasn't shown any problems 6. If your engine has an weak points Nitrous will help you locate them quickly. (agreed) 7. Its $35 out the door here, that means about 70 bottles before I equal the price of a turbo kit. (70 is ALOT)
Now for the real N20 Guru's did I miss any thing?
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86_FiErO_GT Member
Posts: 266 From: Mill Creek,Washington,USA Registered: Jun 2003
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