PennocksSucks.Saturnet.Net

What the hell is this?! When and how did this thing get started, and why? How does everyone feel about this thing?

don't stir the pot... bunch of losers that got kicked for being idiots on the internet, let them play in their feces... just not here.

Everyone on this Forum is so nice, and have been nothing but helpful with my questions. Someone went out of their way to make another forum that hates this one. Good bunch they must be...

Maybe someone could post a few of the now older PFF links that duckwalk39 could read up on and see where it all came from.
I hear it makes some semi interesting bathroom reading if nothing else.

That forum was set up by people who were banned from here.
Basically, they whine and complain about how obsessed we are with them, while they make thread after thread discussion the threads on here that they can't post on.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: I hear it makes some semi interesting bathroom reading if nothing else.

A computer in your BAthroom!!! LOL !!! you are addicted! :-) ;-)

quote Originally posted by duckwalk39: PennocksSucks.Saturnet.Net What the hell is this?! When and how did this thing get started, and why? How does everyone feel about this thing?

ah, yes, the great purge of '05. we had a little troll problem here. opinions varied, tempers flared, accusations flew! eventually names were called and relatives insulted, and the masses united to eject the miscreants. regrettably, it is possible that there was some collateral damage, but the board has been remarkably civil since.

the outcasts set themselves up another forum, and go about their business, presumably on the principle that 'tis better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
it is likely that a few of the troublemakers remain under multiple aliases, but as long as theyre civil i dont mind.

i'm glad they are gone, and dont care what they do over there. i haven't been there since they started their site, i browsed it a couple of times but found nothing of value. maybe i'll go take a look. thanks for the link.

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there are alot of sell outs from here posting over there! I know freedom of speech and all but this forum is all out fiero's and the people that love them. I skimmed there page for about 5 minutes and found nothing but ragging women crying! I know that sounds harsh but There is no point to that stupid forum. If they hate it so much then why are they accessing this site for of there material.. Plus pennocks members would totally kick the SH1T out of any of those crybaby's. Man that wannbe site really pisses me off. -gary-

Funny how everytime they post something there, it ends up over here though.. Not much different than them whining about PFF though, is it?

Hey, another CA person! Welcome, duckwalk! Don't mind those guys too much, they're just bitter cause they got banned from this forum.

It's not so much banned members as much as some old school PFF people that, like me, sometimes have a hard time swallowing their tongues. Yep, a lot are banned, and some of us are still members here. I don't like the name, as I respect the incredible amount of time and effort Cliff puts into this. But I personally like the fact that I don't have to worry about ratings. I've known (oever the forum) these guys for years, I know what they think about me, good or bad.

If the idea of that forum bothers you, well NAMBLA bothers me, but I don't let it rule my life.

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quote Originally posted by stimpy: Ken, there is one thing I've learned in the past couple months, pissing in Cheerios. the Cheerios are on fire people! piss on Cheerios.

EDIT: For stimpys sake.........

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Nice post. It's this kinda stuff that calls for more moderators. Clean that up.

Purge of '05? Somebody's behind the times... That site's been up since last fall.

Yeah, this forum may have been remarkably civil, but remarkable civility is more-or-less defined by a lack of opinions dissenting from the majority... Doesn't sound like a fun place to me...

quote Originally posted by stimpy: But I personally like the fact that I don't have to worry about ratings. I've known (oever the forum) these guys for years, I know what they think about me, good or bad.

Yes, but you do have to worry about your posts being changed on a whim if the mods don't like what you've posted.
I'm sure the counter argument would be Cliff can do that to, but I've only seen Cliff remove personal information or adult material, etc. I've not seen him rewrite a person's post to make it say what they want it to say.

I'm glad they have a place to play and be as foul as they want and I'm glad that place is not here. It's an amuzing forum to read from time to time. They live and breathe what's being posted here, yet call us pathetic.

quote Originally posted by duckwalk39: PennocksSucks.Saturnet.Net What the hell is this?!

It's a website that makes fun of this forum.

quote Originally posted by duckwalk39: When and how did this thing get started, and why?

Howie didn't like it here so he started his own forum back in October/November. (At the time he was not "banned")
Many who were "banned" from here went there. There are a few from here over there as well.
It is a humorous spoof of this forum.

quote Originally posted by duckwalk39: How does everyone feel about this thing?

I personally find it quite humorous. You can see many of the same threads there that are here. It's just they make fun of them.
Occassionally they will post about members here to "yank their chain", It's their form of humor.
Don't take them seriously, It's meant as a joke. Really, do you think Howie would spend his hard earned "rest stop" money on a forum because of hate? Now that would be pathetic.

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their tech section owns this one on the high performance level. oh yeah, and being able to say what you think without having to worry about the bandwagon effect is nice. i still like this forum too. no reason a person can't post on both.

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quote Originally posted by lurker: the outcasts set themselves up another forum, and go about their business, presumably on the principle that 'tis better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.

I'm impressed! You know your John Milton. Indeed, they could also make a "heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n."

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quote Originally posted by Will: Purge of '05? Somebody's behind the times... That site's been up since last fall. Yeah, this forum may have been remarkably civil, but remarkable civility is more-or-less defined by a lack of opinions dissenting from the majority... Doesn't sound like a fun place to me...

i dont mind dissenting opinions (technical or political), like this discussion we're having here.
if you say something technically controversial, you might want to have the data to back you up. i wouldnt say my duke could do the 1/4 mile in 8 seconds unless i had the slips, because that's just going to cause flames. if you have an "unusual" view on politics or religion, you can state your opinion without calling other people names.

when the name-calling and personal attacks start i take exception. some of the banned individuals indulged in that sort of thing and got banned, and deserved it. some tried defending the banned, and got banned themselves. that's not right if they weren't actually abusive. and some got banned on mere suspicion, which is not right at all.

yes, it may have been '04, not '05. i guess it's just not that important to me.

one of reasons i frequent this forum (aside from the great tech resource and many nice people) is to accquire a thicker skin. used to be if i thought i was being attacked i'd go off on them. ive learned to state my case and then ignore the brick-heads. there's no benefit in getting into a fight, and if i cant state my case in 3 posts, i'm not communicating clearly.

I just went over there to take a look at this site and I was very disappointed to see that some members here are members over there as well ....how can you be!!! Not because it's another site to talk about Fieros...but because of what they named the website!

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Riiiiiiiggghht. (Insert Dr Evil laugh here.)
I havent seen jack for that kind of stuff here. This is the first actual post I have seen. Maybe you can post a few? I mean after the initial uproar when it first started that is. I do go over there from time to time to check it out (Not a member though) and I see them post thread after thread of things going on here on a regular basis but dont see any of that going on here.
So no JohnnyK I wouldnt say it happens everytime.
HIOSILVER

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Funny how everytime they post something there, it ends up over here though.. Not much different than them whining about PFF though, is it?

Don't know.....never been there....... don't feel the need to either.

Especially designed for those who are so insecure that they need to scour the web to see if someone is dissing them. Sad!

Some of us joined there because people were pretending to be people here (i.e. using people's user names and saying bad stuff about Cliff.). I think I've posted once,maybe twice both times wastitng my breath in defense. (I was bored - day home sick! )

Jen

I go there from time to time to read what is going on but ...................hhmmmm for get it not my cup of tea but wish them the best .

quote Originally posted by lurker: i dont mind dissenting opinions (technical or political), like this discussion we're having here. if you say something technically controversial, you might want to have the data to back you up. i wouldnt say my duke could do the 1/4 mile in 8 seconds unless i had the slips, because that's just going to cause flames. if you have an "unusual" view on politics or religion, you can state your opinion without calling other people names. when the name-calling and personal attacks start i take exception. some of the banned individuals indulged in that sort of thing and got banned, and deserved it. some tried defending the banned, and got banned themselves. that's not right if they weren't actually abusive. and some got banned on mere suspicion, which is not right at all.

What's a dissenting opinion? Calling someone on BS? That's gotten the banned quite a few of their negatives. I agree that frequently the line was crossed and that no one is blameless... but mob-think happens, and has happened more than once when a rabble rouser decides he'd like to have someone banned. And who is one person who decides that someone ought to be banned anyway? The only person with that power here is Cliff... and whoever can whip the green bar brigade into a froth...

quote one of reasons i frequent this forum (aside from the great tech resource and many nice people) is to accquire a thicker skin. used to be if i thought i was being attacked i'd go off on them. ive learned to state my case and then ignore the brick-heads. there's no benefit in getting into a fight, and if i cant state my case in 3 posts, i'm not communicating clearly.

That's a good policy.

quote Originally posted by trigger: their tech section owns this one on the high performance level. oh yeah, and being able to say what you think without having to worry about the bandwagon effect is nice. i still like this forum too. no reason a person can't post on both.

No kidding! I only read about 1 in 20 posts in Tech here, and even fewer in GFC... Every thread in the other tech section is interesting.

Overall, since the other forum came about, I've noticed a distinct tendency for members here to congratulate each other on being civil... Almost as though PFF is turning into a club for people to pat each other on the back for being more civil than people "over there"... Being civil is all well and good, but if it's the point of the forum, how much useful information exchange is taking place?

I've always found it interesting how people refer to a "green-bar brigade" like we have meetings to discuss who should be banned, etc. Whenever I've rated someone, either postive or negative, I've done so based on that person's posts and nothing else. I've never contacted anyone or been contacted by anyone to try to get someone banned.

Maybe they just don't invite me to their meetings... I feel so unloved.

quote Originally posted by LucidityStudios: A computer in your BAthroom!!! LOL !!! you are addicted! :-) ;-)

LOL
I was thinking that you could print it out and read it in the bathroom. That way when your done, you could always wipe your butt with it afterwards

I think that this site PennocksSucks.Saturnet.Net is so pathetic. What do these people hope to learn from each other, all the people that kicked off had no useful information. That is a prime example of the "meeting of the minds", wow. I actual wasted about 5 minutes on the site trying to find a basis or a mission statement, all I found was and . oh well good ridence

Using this link:
http://PennocksSucks.Saturnet.Net/
it says it is under construction....

This link:
http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/usage/usage_200502.html
shows some kind of usage breakdown and includes that site in it's listing.
Scroll down and look at this section specifically:

quote Top 30 of 543 Total Referrers # Hits Referrer 1 45878 36.12% - (Direct Request) 2 25399 20.00% http://www.tfans.com/index.php 3 17790 14.01% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/~myrex/forum/index.php 4 13198 10.39% http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php 5 3180 2.50% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/mrtg/tweedledee.dyc.edu_192.168.100.1.html 6 1884 1.48% http://pennockssucks.saturnet.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php 7 1315 1.04% http://www.praxus.ca/forums/index.php 8 1306 1.03% http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php 9 1001 0.79% http://mp3se.com/ 10 964 0.76% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/~myrex/forum/admin.php 11 636 0.50% http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm9 12 631 0.50% http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm5 13 540 0.43% http://www.godporn.com/**** / 14 527 0.41% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/it/ 15 525 0.41% http://www.continentalofbuffalo.com/bb/viewtopic.php 16 522 0.41% http://www.wruckus.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php 17 503 0.40% http://s6.invisionfree.com/ICOM_Forums/index.php 18 475 0.37% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/it/people.php 19 453 0.36% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/~blueness/ 20 411 0.32% http://s6.invisionfree.com/80s_Metal_Mania/index.php 21 335 0.26% http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php 22 293 0.23% http://forums.transfandom.com/invboard/index.php 23 283 0.22% http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdoom/topic.asp 24 279 0.22% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/~myrex/forum/ 25 247 0.19% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/~tpx/images/ 26 243 0.19% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/ 27 222 0.17% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/~blueness/IT338/ 28 212 0.17% http://tweedledee.dyc.edu/it/advisory.php 29 197 0.16% http://theglobalincest.net/search/ 30 195 0.15% http://www.mp3se.com/

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It all has to do with population/interest. The first of anything is really popular. Once it is populated, there is less interest. The population here increased to the point old members found the topics they were interested in were saturated with topics they were not interested in. That's why many here need to bump posts to get views/opinions/whatnot. That caused frustration, and a vigilante group of older members bullied member's they didn't like with offensive pictures (funny, sometimes hilarious, but offensive) in an attempt to reduce what they deemed useless. Those actions probably flooded cliff's e-mail box to come up with something to reduce that sort of action. He came up with the ratings system that did an effective job at reducing the recreational bully. We know Shaun, Will, and many over there are very knowledgeable with expert abilities. Some remain very cool over here and vent over there, and the extreme get banned from here and just bash this forum over there. I donate to cliff because you can have humor over here without attacking someone personally. I won't donate to the other board, but I do find humor in their whining and some topics are very informative. Just don't register there if you are part of the "Green Bar Brigade" or you will have to pass your typical fraternity style hazing from Shaun. Perhaps we should register to help them with their renaming the web site thread?

There are pro's and con's for each site depending on your character.
What I can say is that it would be a tragic loss for thousands for owners, enthusiasts and would be enthusiasts if Cliff closed this forum. I don't think that happening to the other forum would have the same effect.

Offhand example... www.orgish.com forum. Many non-gore image and clips are hilarious. Many images and posts are offensive + disturbing. Just skip what you don't like, and move onto what you do. Lot's of war footage, Tusami footgae, and shocking reality of what's outside or across the world. A great link for the broadband user. *Not recommended if you have young ones watching, or have access to it*. Go to the other forum and treat it the same way if you want. (Which I guess is quasi-related to why that forum exists, because people could neg me for posting something non-family oriented. But it is an on-topic reference to an off-topic post. Okay, I confused myself... Am I in trouble? j/k )

Greg

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For you guys who think we have it so tough here, look at the rules for another forum I frequent:

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: For you guys who think we have it so tough here, look at the rules for another forum I frequent: Community Standards Welcome to the LegacyGT.com and OutbackXT.com forums! We look forward to your participation in our online communities to talk about anything and everything related to our common interest in all things Subaru, and other cars too if you must

Well sure, it's a bunch of lesbians who drive those cars!

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quote Originally posted by stimpy: Ken, there is one thing I've learned in the past couple months, pissing in Cheerios. the Cheerios are on fire people! piss on Cheerios.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: Well sure, it's a bunch of lesbians who drive those cars!

Here we go again.... Stimp, sounds like you have been taking the Ken Wittliff course on how to overgeneralize?

quote Originally posted by Formula88:That forum was set up by people who were banned from here.

I'm a member, I wasn't banned from here. I didn't join PSS to whine about PFF either. I joined to exchange fiero information and just plain chat about anything. The humor value of PSS forum is priceless, I feel like I'm 19 again. Its nice to speak your mind and not think about getting rated poorly because your view disagrees with the majority.

True, it was started by ex PFF members that were removed from here. The name of their forum...... ahhhhh,........I'm not proud of the name because I do respect & enjoy Pennocks so much. Nothing I can do to change it though.

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85 GT speedster
86 GT Yellow
88 Formula, Red
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However......
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Ive heard of their site, but never really had the desire to visit it. Ill stay here until I get bored or die...or someone starts a campaign to ban me........

I find it funny that my name pops up on there. For some reason one of them has the assumption im a Redneck ROLF..... Then I look at some of shauns threads The guy has more engine parts inside his house and on his couch Then a salvage yard and he calls me a redneck ?

Atleast my parts stay in the garage and not on my TV stand, Couch, Coat rack and carpeted floor.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD RENT A STORAGE UNIT OR SOMETHING !!! hehehehehehehehe It's my name and how I post is why ppl would be under the assumption I would be a redneck suprise suprise.

I hate to amit some of the things overthere that are said are comical many things said over there are in joking nature. The only person over there that I truly Don't care for is howie

The dude complains about the rating system over here, But when he was banned one of my negs vanishes, That means him too used the rating system....... Hypocrite

And yes this guy actually spent hard earned truckstop money on that site....... Pathetic

And too duckwalk39... Don't let that site get to you. This site will be here to stay because of the deticated members and that site...... Well when howie runs out of truckstop money.... Then game over.

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[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 03-10-2005).]

in a nutshell. it boils down to a bunch of immature children lashing out. my six year old is better mannered than most of them. i personally don't have time for people like that. i do believe that people have the right to speack their mind however, it does require people skills and basic respect for others. the people on that forum (most of them i should say) have none.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Here we go again.... Stimp, sounds like you have been taking the Ken Wittliff course on how to overgeneralize?

It's a joke. Although the stereotype has to have some basis in fact, and it sure seems that way around here.

Ken is resposible for my re-mixed sig. I love it.