Ok well as most already know... ive had a pretty long streak of bad luck... lots of stuff stolen, car died after 2 weeks..., and the worst fever ive ever had...
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/061142.html

fast forward to now... i own 3 Fieros, and none of them work!!

id like to change that!!

This is the official Black Betty back to life thread!

so today i set out to see where i was in parts and what i needed.

i need a new head cause this one has not only part of a bolt stuck in it.. but the female part is worn away..


this might be salvageable.. but alot of work to do vs if someone has an extra one laying around that they dont mind giving a good home!


the hoses are broked.. ill need those as well...


and just for fun i did some mocking up..


Alex was cleanin up the cyl s a little..


also.... after looking through everything i had... i then realized.. i have no bolts for a Fiero!! (a whole 3800 na tho..)

so... anyone got some bolts laying around

im also gonna put a post in the mall later specifically for parts i need as i go along..

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See my lame film creations..
See F-I-E-R-O's Fiero store!

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Santa Claus stopped by today!



and here is one of the car!

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saw a pic on your myspace...pretty...

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quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: Santa Claus stopped by today! and here is one of the car!

Okay. Am I the only one who is only getting these ugly photo bucket things where a picture should be? Thank god this didn't happen when he posted pictures of Alex!


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Hey I went all the way to PA and back and didn't see Alex
What does she think of the car?

quote Originally posted by 1MohrFiero: Okay. Am I the only one who is only getting these ugly photo bucket things where a picture should be? Thank god this didn't happen when he posted pictures of Alex!

yea... i usually use imageshack but it was being all jerk like..

but i fixed it

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quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: Ok well as most already know... ive had a pretty long streak of bad luck... lots of stuff stolen, car died after 2 weeks..., and the worst fever ive ever had... fast forward to now... i own 3 Fieros, and none of them work!! id like to change that!! This is the official Black Betty back to life thread! so today i set out to see where i was in parts and what i needed. i need a new head cause this one has not only part of a bolt stuck in it.. but the female part is worn away..

can you post a close up of the problem with the head?

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: i need a new head cause this one has not only part of a bolt stuck in it.. but the female part is worn away..

Hey bud, you still need new heads? I've got a set all boxed up and ready to go if you do. IM me (you have my IM)
-clint

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-Nickster

quote Originally posted by Clint: Hey bud, you still need new heads? I've got a set all boxed up and ready to go if you do. IM me (you have my IM) -clint

mesaage sent!

Heads are shipped. Enjoy!

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-Nickster

clint you have PM

Did the heads show up? Where they what you needed?

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-Nickster

indeed ! thanks!! waiting on some Fierostore goodies... i might do some work fri morning.. but prolly not... im working 13 hours tomorrow.. then 7 on fri.. if im lucky i might do some work sat night.. but i think i have sunday off so if i do i will definately do alot of work then!

This just reminds me of how I don't have to work for the next 4 days! woohoo! sooo since Jerry is at work and I rode Jamesesesez bike alll the way to Pep Boys to get engine cleaner (which wasn't that far anyways), I'm gonna go see what I can do to get those heads a lil more sparkely Thanks Clint! now we can get moving on this!

I'm glad they are finally getting used

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hardware!!

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: hardware!!

in case your wondering, starting from left to right, top - head bolts (outside valve cover), next looks like rear/rear cradle bolts, ? not too familiar with the next bolt?, next looks like rear cradle, front bolts, next from left to right bottom - head bolts (Inside valve cover), upper plenum bolts (2 medium ones hold on bracket for cable control)(1 small one 8mm 12 point wrench/socket attaches to the small metal coolant tubes.

looks like your missing lower and mid intake bolts, valve cover bolts, waterpump bolts, anything else I missed?

btw, please tell me you have a torque wrench and the proper torque specs or someone nearby is helping you, and you will need some sealant for the valve cover,theres a small part you have to use sealant on where the lower intake and the head meet on the valve cover gasket surface, I prefer the permatex copper stuff (hi-temp) its ugly as crap and gets all over the f-n place but imho its the best stuff

I might not sound myself, its 5am-ish and im a bit cranky ;0

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: in case your wondering, starting from left to right, top - head bolts (outside valve cover), next looks like rear/rear cradle bolts, ? not too familiar with the next bolt?, next looks like rear cradle, front bolts, next from left to right bottom - head bolts (Inside valve cover), upper plenum bolts (2 medium ones hold on bracket for cable control)(1 small one 8mm 12 point wrench/socket attaches to the small metal coolant tubes. looks like your missing lower and mid intake bolts, valve cover bolts, waterpump bolts, anything else I missed? btw, please tell me you have a torque wrench and the proper torque specs or someone nearby is helping you, and you will need some sealant for the valve cover,theres a small part you have to use sealant on where the lower intake and the head meet on the valve cover gasket surface, I prefer the permatex copper stuff (hi-temp) its ugly as crap and gets all over the f-n place but imho its the best stuff I might not sound myself, its 5am-ish and im a bit cranky ;0

yes i do own a torque wrench, a chiltons, and sealant (hi temp)

the single bolt is for the exhaust manifold... they forgot to put the rest in the package!

i do still neew all the bolts you mentioned except water pump.. its still on!


any one got some simple shots of a stock 2.8? just so i can see where some other misc. stuff goes..

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: any one got some simple shots of a stock 2.8? just so i can see where some other misc. stuff goes..

See if you can get ahold of Jazzman and get a copy of his CD it was a godsend when I put the new 2.8 longblock in my 86 GT

try to find out if that is an old waterpump. If it is and there is any doubt about its integrity, you may want to change it now while the engine has less parts in the way. Hopefully you can just use it as is though...

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quote Originally posted by cptsnoopy: try to find out if that is an old waterpump. If it is and there is any doubt about its integrity, you may want to change it now while the engine has less parts in the way. Hopefully you can just use it as is though...

I agree totally, the cost of replacing it now < if you had to do it later down the road. plus you will need to remove it for a core.
fierostore has them 46-50$ depending on 86/87/88 models. if you go the napa/autozone/pep boys make sure it has metal impeller not plastic, when I ordered I think it was $27, rebuilt and they tried to give me a plastic impeller at first, made them get me the metal one. they wont know til it comes in (if not in stock)

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: hardware!!

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: yes i do own a torque wrench, a chiltons, and sealant (hi temp) hehe good, you said limited tools I got worried you were going to slap it all in the single bolt is for the exhaust manifold... they forgot to put the rest in the package!

that bolt looks like a 15mm bolt, if thats for an exaust manifold im guessing 4 cyl? otherwise it looks like one of the bolts that goes into the head for the Alt bracket.
the exaust manifold bolts are much smaller (10mm if I recall?)

quote i do still neew all the bolts you mentioned except water pump.. its still on! any one got some simple shots of a stock 2.8? just so i can see where some other misc. stuff goes..

I might be up and about sunday looking for something easy to do like get some lower/mid intake and valve cover bolts for you. you have all 3 bolts that mount the alt bracket to the engine? any other bolts you think your missing let me know ill send a care package monday.
thermastat housing bolts? (2- 10mm)
I dont have any exaust manifold bolts, I wouldnt re-use used ones anyway either.
suggest:
http://www.rodneydickman.com/retail.html
cost aprox $22 for socket needed and all studs/nuts needed for both manifolds.



keep us informed (wtb pics!

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: lower/mid intake valve cover bolts thermastat housing bolts (2- 10mm) cost aprox $22 for socket needed and all studs/nuts needed for both manifolds.

those are what i have one of! but i think ill get em from Rodney since they come with socket!

yea if you could get those bolts it would be GREAT!!!!

i still gotta buy a socket for the top intake bolts...

LOTS of pix on sunday, i promise... ive been working ALOT this week... but most of sunday and monday are dedicated to the car.. i am going to do as much as i can, with what i have... but i garuntee im gonna get stopped short due to missing hardware!

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quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: those are what i have one of! but i think ill get em from Rodney since they come with socket! yea if you could get those bolts it would be GREAT!!!! i still gotta buy a socket for the top intake bolts... LOTS of pix on sunday, i promise... ive been working ALOT this week... but most of sunday and monday are dedicated to the car.. i am going to do as much as i can, with what i have... but i garuntee im gonna get stopped short due to missing hardware!

top intake bolts need a 12 point 13mm socket. make sure you are able to use your torque wrench with the socket unless you have 1/2 to 3/8 conversion sockets.

edit: if you order from rodney over the weekend, you will have them in your hands by tuesday night. he ships USPS mon/wed/fri mornings if I recall

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ok heads on, not torqed just yet

got a question here...
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/076708.html

gaskets


one head


two heads are better than one...

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quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: ok so i need all the hardware for this lower intake! also in this pic, lower right of the lower intake, does that coolant outlet connect directly to water pump? and the middle as well!

hardware for middle, lower intake going out monday will be there tuesday via UPS.
also included some bracket bolts, distributer hold down bolt/bracket, valve cover bolts and a bag of misc bolts.

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: hardware for middle, lower intake going out monday will be there tuesday via UPS. also included some bracket bolts, distributer hold down bolt/bracket, valve cover bolts and a bag of misc bolts.

you didnt happen to label em did you?

I hope you torqued those head bolts before putting in the push rods.
If you try to torque those head bolts with the pushrods in place you will get inadequate head gasket compression because of the pushrods pushing up on the head and it will affect the torquing procedure. Then you will have head gasket problems later.

That water pump is only 6 months old...Changed it myself. You should have called, I hadnt realized that you needed all that. I thought I had put all the bolts and stuff in the trunk. If there is anything else let me know. \
Tommy

I'm with the guy above, but I'm sure you didn't tighten the head bolts with the rockers in place, thats too simple to overlook. You should have put the intake gaskets on before the pushrods though.

quote Originally posted by Jncomutt: I'm with the guy above, but I'm sure you didn't tighten the head bolts with the rockers in place, thats too simple to overlook. You should have put the intake gaskets on before the pushrods though.

actually im glad he mentioned it cause i didnt know...

but today Alex loosened the rocker arms and took out the pushrods, THEN i torqued the head bolts (1st step, 18lbs, 2nd 35-40lbs, 3rd 65-90 lbs). yesterday i just snugged the bolts


now i am patiently awaiting a care package from Back On Holiday so i can put the gasket on , then the pushrods


thanks and +'s to ANYONE who has given and continues to give me tips! and PLEASE continue to do so as i put this thing together because this is a first for me... i have disassembled a 2.8 before, but not reassembled...

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In this pic here, your intake manifold is on backwards, just thought I should let you know.



That outlet is actually a vacuum port for the idle control circuit. Is has a small tube that connects into the back of the throttle body. The cold start injector mounts in the large hole below it. I just finished building my 3.4 so most of this is still fresh in whats left of my brain .

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: you didnt happen to label em did you?

I did better than that, I took pics of them - printed them out in draft quality full sheet paper and marked/circled them and taped them onto the paper with arrows and such. the package includes the following:
2 felpro gaskets (head/intake) 2 O-rings - not sure which one is for distributer but they are both yours(they are enclosed in blue painters tape attached to the gaskets), 2 clear plastic bags of fasteners... each bag is like 10x12 size, 1 bag has a piece of paper with a note in it from me, with some misc fasteners I grabbed that I was certain were for brackets and such, the 2nd bag has like 10 pictures (8x10) with fasteners attached, so be careful removing them from the bag. and there are some of those pain in the a$$ packing peanuts in there also, sorry I hate them but I didnt want the stuff rattling around in the box.
Andrew

WOW!! i appreciate you help SO much!! (as does Alex!)

thanks!

do you still need stock manifolds? Y pipe?

indeed!

ok!

where does this one go?



and where does this coolant??! outlet conect to? (and i now know its backwards)

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The gasket is a spare that fits something else, --I think we all have those laying around. You have to turn that intake around--I walked 1000 feet in the pouring rain to check your next question...no worries I like rain, ok on the back or under side of your throttle body, you`ll see a hole about that size, (iac) a metal elbow is supposed to come out back there, (t.b.) then it does a 90 degree to that lower intake thingie (real techie here) you have circled, but there is a small piece of air hose that connects the 2 toghter at the lower intake.. Hope this helps some.....