I saw some pics of the badges, Any one tell me what material they are made of? Any art work of them, actually a drawing in cad or solid works would be perfect. I may be able to make some! I am NOT taking orders just trying to figure out if I can fill a need.
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Posts: 2401 From: St Hubert Quebec Canada Registered: Jan 2006
It would appear that there is a pretty decent market for them here. Unfortunately there is a group on here that have already PAID for them and don't have them. You can see the thread in the Mall or the F_I_E_R_O SCAM thread here in the GFC. I think it would be great if some reliable person started making these things. I was considering ordering one of Andrews, but I'm glad I waited.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
You've GOT to be kidding??? You want to make Andrew's badges?? Have you approached him for his permission?? Sorry, but no matter WHAT problems have caused Andrew to default on the delivery of them...to copy his work and reproduce it without permission is way, WAY wrong, IMHO. Are you intending to do replicas, on a commercial basis? Or ANY basis at all? Hold on...you just came to the Forum in January this year?? Are you somebody 'pretending ' to be a newbie, to pinch Andrew's designs, and trying to market them under a 'new' name, so you don´t get hammered under your REAL name????? What IS going on here?? I might be getting delusional ....but I may just NOT...Explanation to clear all this up please? Nick
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Posts: 3061 From: Waco, Texas, USA Registered: Mar 2006
You've GOT to be kidding??? You want to make Andrew's badges?? Have you approached him for his permission?? Sorry, but no matter WHAT problems have caused Andrew to default on the delivery of them...to copy his work and reproduce it without permission is way, WAY wrong, IMHO. Are you intending to do replicas, on a commercial basis? Or ANY basis at all? Hold on...you just came to the Forum in January this year?? Are you somebody 'pretending ' to be a newbie, to pinch Andrew's designs, and trying to market them under a 'new' name, so you don´t get hammered under your REAL name????? What IS going on here?? I might be getting delusional ....but I may just NOT...Explanation to clear all this up please? Nick
Let Andrew get mad (and if this would be a direct copy he should get mad). BUT LET HIM GET MAD!!!!!!
Then, maybe...just MAYBE he would post on the forum again.
Then we could get some answers.
If he doesn't complain about his badged being copied...then I say copy them. He has a chance to speak up against it if he wants to.
He has burned many of us, and at this point I say do whatever it takes to make him speak up.
Let Andrew get mad (and if this would be a direct copy he should get mad). BUT LET HIM GET MAD!!!!!!
Then, maybe...just MAYBE he would post on the forum again.
Then we could get some answers.
If he doesn't complain about his badged being copied...then I say copy them. He has a chance to speak up against it if he wants to.
He has burned many of us, and at this point I say do whatever it takes to make him speak up.
I think the implication of the previous post was, could this possibly be andrew, posting under a new username, and just trying to make it look like he was someone else to sell more of the badges.
Yea, I said it. Blunt and honest to the core, I'm not one to pull punches. No offense intended to anyone of course, just how I read the last post to mean something different
CenTexIndy...please believe me, I am feeling pretty sick about what has been happening with all those who have lost their money here. In a strange way, I feel somewhat responsible for this happening again. But that doesn´t mean I am going to encourage somebody to steal from somebody else who appears to have stolen from others...two wrongs WON´T make it right..it never ever did.It might just feel like it sometimes.I doubt .that feeling would last Nick Edit to add: I just saw KennyC's post after I had pressed submit for this one...the thought did cross my mind, but knowing Andrew as well as I THINK I do...I doubt very much he is that devious to capitalise on his own shortcomings in such a way...No. It crossed my mind that it could be somebody else from here, who has thought up this ...scam??? I REALLY don´t know, and perhaps I should not have posted my feelings... Nick
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Make his badges??? All he did is take the fiero badge and make them in aluminum. Oh and he offerd to put the word supercharged on them. That is like painting a baseball yellow and telling people they can't make yellow baseballs. The only one who could say that I was ripping them off is GM and quite honestly for the 25 I would make GM wouldn't spend the money to type a letter to me. Maybe his design is different from the original I didn't study them that closely. I only saw one picture of them. At this point all I have been able to do is give the actual nose badge to my crew and ask if they can make it for me.
Am I new to the forum? I was on the forum years ago (maybe 5 or more) and got out of fieros. Read my posts! Comercial basis?? Get real. If you think you are going to get rich off the fiero community you are an idiot. We are hobbiest who love the car and the market is really small. Also I never stated that I would sell them for a profit. Just trying to help out the community.
Sorry Fierofetish is so offended.
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Posts: 3061 From: Waco, Texas, USA Registered: Mar 2006
I think the implication of the previous post was, could this possibly be andrew, posting under a new username, and just trying to make it look like he was someone else to sell more of the badges.
Yea, I said it. Blunt and honest to the core, I'm not one to pull punches. No offense intended to anyone of course, just how I read the last post to mean something different
hmmmmmmmmmmm........................... you just never know.
Fierofetish - there is NO WAY you are responsible for Andrew's mistakes. I am a businessman...I know what it is like to have pressure to get something done....but you HAVE to get it done. Unless Andrew asked for your help with the polishing, there is nothing to make you feel responsible (and I know he didn't ask you for help ).
t697 - Thank you for the offers to help our little (yes, little) community of Fiero fans.
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hmmmmmmmmmmm........................... you just never know.
Fierofetish - there is NO WAY you are responsible for Andrew's mistakes. I am a businessman...I know what it is like to have pressure to get something done....but you HAVE to get it done. Unless Andrew asked for your help with the polishing, there is nothing to make you feel responsible (and I know he didn't ask you for help ).
CenTexIndy..I have a far greater reason for blaming myself than your hypothesis Thanks anyway. Nick
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Posts: 205 From: eastlake,ohio,usa Registered: Jan 2008
You know what. There is no conspiracy here. JFK was killed by one person. You think you know who I am by how I write. I'll send you an email from my work. Then tell the world if I am who you think I am.
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I have absolutely NO compulsion to reveal who I think you are...even if I knew for SURE, I wouldn´t. I would just ask you to cover YOURSELF, by making the correct overtures to Mr. Rogers, telling him of your desire to produce his badges, be it a very SMALL run or a more commercial production., and asking for his permission. Failure to do so would render yourself open to suit. I will say no more. Just to clear the confusion here...are you confident enough to reveal your previous user name? Nick PPS: Waiting for WHAT??
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Posts: 5486 From: Charleston SC Registered: Dec 2001
You've GOT to be kidding??? You want to make Andrew's badges?? Have you approached him for his permission?? Sorry, but no matter WHAT problems have caused Andrew to default on the delivery of them...to copy his work and reproduce it without permission is way, WAY wrong, IMHO. Are you intending to do replicas, on a commercial basis? Or ANY basis at all?
Agree!
But that is capitalism at its best. Hit when the competition is down, steal thier work, and make money off of it.
This Forum is WONDERFUL. usually. You didn´t send me the email..so I too, am WAITING...waiting..waiting.... For a reply to my question as to your previous username Nick
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Originally posted by t697:
Well the whole world is waiting? Or wait did I pay a third party to do this just so I wouldn't get found out.
This is why this forum is so terrible.
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Okay so I am home now and while my girl gets ready to go out to eat I will respond. You can look at my email adddress logged on to this acccount is my work email and guess what my first and last name is there.
As far as suits go I normally don't wear one. Does anyone have a patent on the design or even trade mark? No I can make the exact thing all day long and not have an issue. So maybe I will make the same exact thing only better I will actually deliver. I will sell to anyone but you. lol. Only kidding. Of course I would sell to you. You are passionate just misguided.
And I did send you a pm as well. My work email might not like your out of country email address
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Oh and for everyone closely following this thread thinking I am someone else that I am not, I stated I am not taking orders for the parts just looking to see if I can get the part made.
So any ways...If you live in the Mentor Ohio area (that is in the united states btw) You can stop by and chat to see I am who I think I am. I wish I could post a clip of that bud light comercial. "they are who we thought they were" lol
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Posts: 788 From: Algonquin,Il USA Registered: Jul 2006
You've GOT to be kidding??? You want to make Andrew's badges?? Have you approached him for his permission?? Sorry, but no matter WHAT problems have caused Andrew to default on the delivery of them...to copy his work and reproduce it without permission is way, WAY wrong, IMHO. Are you intending to do replicas, on a commercial basis? Or ANY basis at all? Hold on...you just came to the Forum in January this year?? Are you somebody 'pretending ' to be a newbie, to pinch Andrew's designs, and trying to market them under a 'new' name, so you don´t get hammered under your REAL name????? What IS going on here?? I might be getting delusional ....but I may just NOT...Explanation to clear all this up please? Nick
Let me put down this down..... I am sorry, you are dilusional. I am not one to start confrontations with people but I have sat by and watched all this go on long enough. I cant believe your post and your other posts. Apparently you are unaware of TradeMark Infringment ! You think people need to ask F-I-E-R-O for permission to use things that he stole. You think that a memeber making the Badge is stealing from Andrew if you dont get his permission. I have to laugh at you and anyone who is thinking like you. Do you not know about the LAW ? I have been busting my butt and my wallet to bring legit GM approved Fiero Products ideas that are not available to the Fiero community and have been quite unsuccessful so far. Then I have to sit here and watch on this forum as Andrew Takes property that DOES NOT belong to him and sell it as his own, and quite poorly on top of it ! Now I have never dealt with Andrew before, Thank God. And I am not a rat who has it out for his crooked ways by reporting him. But I bet you what, He has wronged many on this forum and other places I am sure. I would not be surprised that these people report his ilegal activity. GM (who really owns the stuff you think F-I-E-R-O owns ) will then be coming for him........ Now I personaly think the badges are cool , General Motors design team does good work ! The problem with Andrew is he had some good ideas for using the GM TradeMarks but went way wrong in going about trying to get it in the marketplace . my two cents ...oh. and quote this. When They Do shut him down (and not just with a cease and desist letter I am sure) Dont look at me because I am not the one turning him in.
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Posts: 698 From: Mill Creek, WA USA Registered: Jul 2005
There has been a lot of contoversy over Andrew (F-I-E-R-O), now and in the past, with his lack of coming thru with his parts. I have been lucky enough to get the few things I have paid him for. Now, it is true that Andrew does not hold the copyrights to these latest badges. The re-designed ones however were his own creation. He also re-designed the pegasus with the flaming wings (my favorite ). Even though he has not actually filed for copyrights and such, It is his creation. Out of respect for his designs, I asked his permission to use his design to get a tattoo. Did I have to ask? Not technically/legally. I did so out of respect. Yes it sucks that he has not responded and I feel bad for those of you who have been left hanging. You have every right to be pissed off. As for trying to reproduce his efforts... I say go for it if you want too but... show him a little respect for his artistic ability and creativeness. At least "try" to contact him for permission. If he doesn't respond then by all means, have at it. At least you can then say... "you tried".
There has been a lot of contoversy over Andrew (F-I-E-R-O), now and in the past, with his lack of coming thru with his parts. I have been lucky enough to get the few things I have paid him for. Now, it is true that Andrew does not hold the copyrights to these latest badges. The re-designed ones however were his own creation. He also re-designed the pegasus with the flaming wings (my favorite ). Even though he has not actually filed for copyrights and such, It is his creation. Out of respect for his designs, I asked his permission to use his design to get a tattoo. Did I have to ask? Not technically/legally. I did so out of respect. Yes it sucks that he has not responded and I feel bad for those of you who have been left hanging. You have every right to be pissed off. As for trying to reproduce his efforts... I say go for it if you want too but... show him a little respect for his artistic ability and creativeness. At least "try" to contact him for permission. If he doesn't respond then by all means, have at it. At least you can then say... "you tried".
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I read your post asking Andrew if it was OK to use his artwork for your tat. I think it was a very considerate thing of you to do. It showed that you have great respect and honor. It would be nice if Andrew would exhibit some of the same characteristics.
Oh, I also wanted to say that I really like your Sig. Is that Andrews work as well?
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I read your post asking Andrew if it was OK to use his artwork for your tat. I think it was a very considerate thing of you to do. It showed that you have great respect and honor. It would be nice if Andrew would exhibit some of the same characteristics.
Oh, I also wanted to say that I really like your Sig. Is that Andrews work as well?
I agree with you that it would be nice if Andrew showed some respect/courtesy for everyone here too. Yes my sig was also made by Andrew along with a very detailed show poster. He was paid for his work with my sig and poster as well.
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Posts: 487 From: Commerce Township, MI, USA Registered: Dec 2006
Since you have CNC access you going to try to rip off Archie too and copy his aluminum parts as well? Show some respect man. Come up with your own ideas and profit from them.
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down..... I am sorry, you are dilusional. I am not one to start confrontations with people but I have sat by and watched all this go on long enough. I cant believe your post and your other posts. Apparently you are unaware of TradeMark Infringment ! You think people need to ask F-I-E-R-O for permission to use things that he stole. You think that a memeber making the Badge is stealing from Andrew if you dont get his permission. I have to laugh at you and anyone who is thinking like you. Do you not know about the LAW ? I have been busting my butt and my wallet to bring legit GM approved Fiero Products ideas that are not available to the Fiero community and have been quite unsuccessful so far. Then I have to sit here and watch on this forum as Andrew Takes property that DOES NOT belong to him and sell it as his own, and quite poorly on top of it ! Now I have never dealt with Andrew before, Thank God. And I am not a rat who has it out for his crooked ways by reporting him. But I bet you what, He has wronged many on this forum and other places I am sure. I would not be surprised that these people report his ilegal activity. GM (who really owns the stuff you think F-I-E-R-O owns ) will then be coming for him........ Now I personaly think the badges are cool , General Motors design team does good work ! 
