My friend is doing this swap on his fiero and I'm really surprised this wasn't a more popular swap in the early 90's. I don't think I've seen a single one besides the Andretti Fieros (delta204t}. I thought it was pretty cool so I wanted to share.

That is definitely different and has the "cool" factor.

I've seen the car on CarDomain. It for sure will be a very unique swap when it's done.

I had the non-turbo 2.0 in my old sunbird, and while it wasn't that exciting a motor, I'll vouch for the amazing reliability of it. Those were weird little blocks: They don't even have oil scraper rings.. I put over 250k on it, and changed the oil every 5-6k with synthetic, and it still had the factory grind marks visible on the cam lobes.

Good luck with the swap!

there is a close by car an 85 se i believe that has the swap done already...looks cool...about par with a quad 4 for performance...which is what the guys son swapped into his fiero..tim

when I first started looking for a Fiero last year, I stumbled across a guy who was selling an 84 coupe and an 89 Grand Am that had this motor in it as a package deal. My first thought was to do this swap into the 84. Ended up passing up both of the cars, although I wish I would have taken that GA...the 2.0 turbo motor in it was a 30k documented rebuild kicking myself for it now...

Isn't there an article floating around here about buying a car with this engine swap from the dealer?

i wonder how quick this would be?

I seem to recall the 'Delta 204T" was available through a dealership in the mid-west. I think less than 10 were built.

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Here's what i found using PFF search

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West coast. Might have been an interesting combo.

thats sick.

What car can we find that motor in? Is it a GM motor?

quote Originally posted by MordacP: What car can we find that motor in? Is it a GM motor?

It is a brazillian based Opel engine that GM used in Buick Skyhawks, Sumbirds Turbo's and Grand Am Turbo's. It was a peppy engine back in it's day but weak by todays standards. Few are left and rare to find in good condition.

GM wanted this engine for the Fiero and not the Iron Duke. GM would not release it to Pontiac for the Fiero.

If I recall and Ron can correct me but the Prototype Pace car at the speedway museum warehouse has this engine in it.

If anyone was to do the swap today the Eco Turbo's are becoming cheaper and will put out a lot more power with little work. Mine has 290 HP 315 FTLbs with only a change of two MAP sensors and a flash. Since it was a GM kit it is still under a 5 year 100,000 mile warranty. GM is going to put them in more cars starting next year so they will be more common.

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quote Originally posted by hyperv6: If I recall and Ron can correct me but the Prototype Pace car at the speedway museum warehouse has this engine in it.

Yep!

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...040223-1-034543.html

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1984 Fiero SE

I've been around and owned Fiero's for 23 years and I thought I'd heard just about every possible swap for a Fiero but this is a new one to me. Looks neat.

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1987 Fiero GT, Medium Red Mettalic, Lowered
2008 Solstice GXP, Aggressive

1988 - 2006 - The 18 year dry spell between 2-seat Pontiac Excitement is finally over.

The 2.0 Turbo had wicked head problems. I had 2 Grand Ams a 12 years ago both with the 2.0 Turbo. Both heads blew and it was a mother finding heads for them.

quote Originally posted by TEXASGT: The 2.0 Turbo had wicked head problems. I had 2 Grand Ams a 12 years ago both with the 2.0 Turbo. Both heads blew and it was a mother finding heads for them.

I had an '88 Grand Am SE with the 2.0 Turbo in it...and that thing WARPED if you simply looked at it the wrong way. And like TEXASGT says, finding a new head- and you WILL have to find one at some point- is like searching for a needle in a haystack outside of the internet. You'll "pay" for it no matter where you find it.

Another negative- if I recall, the 2.0 has a different bell housing bolt pattern than the Fiero engines, so you can't just use your Fiero tranny either...

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My first time going to the Michigan Fiero club show back in 2001, there was one fiero there with this swap done.

that sheet says it had 165 HP, that's 20 more than a stock V6. I think you could pick up 20 ponies alot more quickly, easily, and cheaply by juicing up the ol' 2.8 than just swapping it. Unless there's a pretty gnarly (yes, gnarly) aftermarket for that 2.0, I just dont see the point.

For the increase in power and less weight the engine would have been the right choice for GM back in 1984.

But in hind sight the we may have been lucky they used the 2.8. It proved to be a more durable engine.

Today we just have much better lighter and more powerful engines. There is no after market for this engine not to mention not too many of these engines left in running or non running condifiton, I used to see them in the junk yard but not so much anymore.

If you haver to have a overhead cam 4 cylinder non turbo or turbo's the Ecotec is the engine of choice today. The only reason I could see to put one of the old Turbo engines in is to make a car of what Pontiac really wanted to do kind of a car.

I am affraid with the track record of this engine with or with out a turbo there would have been few Fiero's still running with the original engine. Even the Iron Duke with it's faults proved to be more reliable.

I had a K car a long time ago with a turbo. It had the "grin" factor

My uncle worked for Pontiac during the 80s and raced an 84 and 87 sunbird turbo. Very fast cars with a little tuning.
The turbo engine with the black valve cover and intake is a 1.8 turbo, the 2.0 has red valve cover and intake.
Pontiac built several 2.0 turbo test cars in. 87. But they never saw production.

I have 6 sets of pistons and a race prepped head for a 2.0. If I ever find one!

Great engines!

My 2.0 turbo grand am could run a 5.0 mustang dead even, until about 80 mph when the cubes of the v8 took over!

quote Originally posted by Ryan01228: When I said test cars I meant test fiero's! They built about 75000 turbo sunbirds and grand ams!

They all blew up due to bad cooling and lazy owners not changing oil....

quote Originally posted by Ryan01228: When I said test cars I meant test fiero's! They built about 75000 turbo sunbirds and grand ams!

And when was the last time you saw one that ran in a Sunbird or GA?

The heads and Turbos died on most. The bearings in the turbo did not cool well and they were not using Mobil One from the factory yet. The bearings like to carbon up and block the oil line just like the T type Buicks did till they got water cooling in the GN.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: You need to drive a Cobalt SS Turbo. If the K car made you grin I would hate to see what the SS would do to you.

I would love that engine in a Fiero as well. Too bady the Cobalt SS ended up on the chopping block.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: And when was the last time you saw one that ran in a Sunbird or GA? The heads and Turbos died on most. The bearings in the turbo did not cool well and they were not using Mobil One from the factory yet. The bearings like to carbon up and block the oil line just like the T type Buicks did till they got water cooling in the GN.

I would say i see as many of them as of any other GM "economy" car built from 87 to 90. (excluding the fiero).

In the rust belt..rust killed those cars long before the engine died....

it has its shortcomings...but the 87's and on were water cooled Turbo's. If you run Mobil one I have seen 200K plus cars.

For the day..they were potent powerplants!

quote Originally posted by Ryan01228: I would say i see as many of them as of any other GM "economy" car built from 87 to 90. (excluding the fiero). In the rust belt..rust killed those cars long before the engine died.... it has its shortcomings...but the 87's and on were water cooled Turbo's. If you run Mobil one I have seen 200K plus cars. For the day..they were potent powerplants!

Then you must not see many.

I am the owner of the fiero in question. I am aware of all of the potential problems with this swap and the engine itself. I have remedied all of the problems and if anyone cares to know, I can tell you how. The real reason I chose this swap over all of the others is because I have never seen one built by the public and running. I am aware of the pace car as I do live in indianapolis, and I'm also aware of the 12 cars that made it off the the assembly line built by bob carter at red shift limited. To the best of my knowledge only 2 of them still exist. I've seen several threads where people talked about doing this swap and and maybe even attempted it, but have yet to see one running. I wanted to be different. Also the aftermarket is alot bigger than you would think. There are 2 n/a versions of this motor in europe and 2 versions of the turbo motor. The most comparible european version is called the c20get. It's very potent and can make huge power with very little modification, even being sohc. If anyone is interested in learning how I managed to make this swap work in my car, my email is fieroguy1@yahoo.com Also you can check out my cardomain page which I just updated yesterday, it's labled 1988 turbo fiero.

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1988 Turbo 2.0 Fiero

Nice to see something different! Looks like you have done a great job on the swap.

Nolan

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So whats the state of this swap?

agreed im interested in the build any good info?

A number of cars over this way have had their Iron Duke's replaced with the Vauxhall 16v 20XE engine. Out of the box, I believe they are rated at about 155 bhp, and is a lighter engine. There is a turbo version as well (C20XET), but I'm not aware of anyone over here having dropped one of those in yet...

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'88 Formula
'85 SE 2M6
'73 Peugeot 304 S Cabriolet

Bobby..I didn't know this was your Fiero! Man I want to see it in person! I've been thinking of doing this swap on one of my other Fiero..

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1999 GMC Jimmy 2dr 4x4
1987 Fiero Coupe
1986 Fiero Base Coupe..Steel Wheels Baby!
1985 Fiero GT 3800 N/A ...3800 S/C being built now!
1984 Fiero Indy #1098 w/ centerline "Q" Wheels,Hooker Tri-y header and Indy Scoop with Strobe's

Its been a long time since I've posted in this thread, so I thought I would bring it back.

The yellow gt in the pictures above was dismantled and sold a few months back, and the drivetrain is in process of being swapped into my formula at the moment. The few times that I did drive the car it scared the hell out of me. It was just too unstable under boost given the gearing and weight of the car, "ass happy" as some may call it. There's something slightly terrifying about hitting boost in 3rd gear going around a corner and turning the car around backwards. The twin throttle body set up I've done makes throttle control a very tedious thing and I'm thinking about deleting it.

So I've de-tuned the motor and switched to an isuzu 5spd for the taller gears. Hopefully this will make for a more pleasant drive and less of that unrefined race car feel. I'll post pictures and a video when complete.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: The heads and Turbos died on most. The bearings in the turbo did not cool well and they were not using Mobil One from the factory yet. The bearings like to carbon up and block the oil line just like the T type Buicks did till they got water cooling in the GN.

unfortunately, the turbo Buick 3.8 never....ever...... got water cooled bearings. there were only a handful of prototype turbos made with a water cooled bearing, none ever made it in a production engine on the GN or T-types.

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