The goal is to keep this under 2000$, Until I have a pinned down design I wont be able to quote any real cost . I am not looking for any pre-orders or any commitments to purchase , I am looking for feedback from the community on looks . Is this something you would be interested in , if you wanted to update or body kit your car ? thats the only real question here. The Kit would include front and rear fascia , front and rear fenders and door skins. The parts could also be sold separate for individuals who just want fascias or fenders. My goal is to design something that is easy to install , as in no glassing or bondo work required . I am also hoping to have some what of a modular design so people can apply there own touch's to the parts as well.
With all that said seems the following fascias are the leading contenders
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Thank you
-Kemp
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Posts: 422 From: South Miami,Fl Registered: Sep 2009
I like it, just needs a one minor change. The front fender side vent should match more closely the wheel well arch, whereas it kind of looks askew. And don't try to do too much, make it too busy,
Also, a kit like this presents the opertunity to give it the chop top look by offering an optional set of doorskins and side panels and rear quater windows. Such has been done with body work and looks quite good; there's a thread here somewhere. A chop top look for under $2km that option alone would likely sell.
I think the side shots look like a Porsche, which is awesome if you like Porsche, I think a Porsche build would be awesome since all of the other luxury/exotics are mimicked.
I like the 1st, 3rd, and 6th
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Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: Not a fan personally. Then again i've always been partial to the drop off front end like Fie Ro's car. (grey one)
If somebody made Fie Ro's body panels I'd be all over them like a crack fiend. There's a point where modifying a car becomes a bit obsessive, and everything Fie Ro has done to his car stays just within the boundaries of being fantastically custom without going over the top.
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nitroheadz28 Member
Posts: 4774 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Mar 2010
Theres too much rice in there for me, sorry. The huge openings in the front look gaudy like typical tuner body kits- it does however have a sort of Pontiac look to it so I'll give you credit for that (the first style of course). I don't see whats the deal with copying bumpers off of supercars to tweak them to bolt onto our cars, its a Fiero... If you want an R8 or GTR, go out and buy one.
Edit- The 2 sentences aren't jabs at kit car guys, just so no one cries about it
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Theres too much rice in there for me, sorry. The huge openings in the front look gaudy like typical tuner body kits- it does however have a sort of Pontiac look to it so I'll give you credit for that (the first style of course). I don't see whats the deal with copying bumpers off of supercars to tweak them to bolt onto our cars, its a Fiero... If you want an R8 or GTR, go out and buy one.
Edit- The 2 sentences aren't jabs at kit car guys, just so no one cries about it
Originally posted by Syn: Ok well I want an F430 can I borrow 400 grand? :P
Where the heck are you buying a 430 that's 400K? $150-200K maybe. Or 300K if you are trying for a 16M Scuderia. But still quite shy of 400K. Plenty on eBay to pick from around 150-200K.
Where the heck are you buying a 430 that's 400K? $150-200K maybe. Or 300K if you are trying for a 16M Scuderia. But still quite shy of 400K. Plenty on eBay to pick from around 150-200K.
So what If I borrow money for a car I can't borrow money for the Insurance too? lol
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fieroboy_gt Member
Posts: 324 From: Lewiston, Maine, USA Registered: Mar 2007
Ibabsolutly love the first pic id by that with out issue. An the side profile is pretty awsome as well. The rears im not sure of the non lambo one is better then the lambo one. i like the front fender an the side scoope styling. The first front bumper would sell like crazy dont care what anyone says id buy tyat all day.if u say its a possiablilty i may save for that instead of norms flipper
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Kemp3 Member
Posts: 282 From: Carmel Valley CA, USA Registered: Sep 2007
To touch on a few comments from this thread, First there is not a single option shown from a Asian import. Everything shown is GM based, Porsche , Lambo while the side vents I took from a Ferrari 599.
These are conceptual photos , of course there will be some fine tuning but when you take a image and wrap it around another you get some stretching and skewing.
I appreciate all feedback and please keep in mind this is the beginning of this process, most these images are not proportionate to our cars.
Lastly the goal here is try and update the look of our Fiero for those who want that. The front fascia is fine the way it is just hangs a bit to far out past the front tires, the rear is also fine but some what dates the car into the 80's. The boot stripe is truly what dates the car into the 80's and I feel it should also be removed. Everything else is just a few frills to try and fill blank spaces I perceive will be there but may not be , thus they would no be needed.
Francis , yes you are correct . I spaced that when moving it and will correct that for the next rendition . thank you
you mean attempt to make my best guess of what a modern day Fiero would look like ? Why not ?
Why swap a 3800 or a v8 ? Some people want completely original cars some people dont.
I understand your point, but it's not the same as swapping in another power-train. It still looks like a Fiero, but with more powerful engine.
If you are trying to make it look a modern day Fiero, that's great, not arguing there, I meant like kits that try to make it look like a 308 or F40 or some other exotic sports car.
My opinion is the Fastback Fiero still looks pretty darn modern compared to other similar cars from the 80's. My Fiero is straight from the 80's though, and I love it!
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Posts: 4701 From: Sydney Australia Registered: Sep 2004
Seems you just want to change bars for the sake of it. I am not so sold on your designs but i certainly do not want to discourage you. If a bar is copied from another car it would make more sense to buy a wrecks bar and chop it in half remove and the center or widen the center. The 355 bar has sold well here because it looks good sure but also because the real bar cost so much money used $2000-5000 and under $500 makes it cheap. If you copy a bar make sure you cannot buy the bar for $500 from a wrecker eg: a Nissan is a cheap car don't be copying Japanese bars for reselling as anyone can obtain them with ease. If you do invent your own make sure it doesn't resemble something that is already cheap. No point building a body kit or a replica of an already cheap car if you are to make replicas of any kind keep it exotic. Your number 2 front and rear aren't just cheap car parts this is where you need to be heading to make it worthwhile replicating a bar. I am curious to see what sort of photoshop you could do over my car as i could be tempted to make changes if right artist comes along. I don't want to discourage you just encourage you to make your designs feel Euro or USA over the Japanese look as people can modify the Japanese bars already very cheaply.
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Aug 7th, 2011
Kemp3 Member
Posts: 282 From: Carmel Valley CA, USA Registered: Sep 2007
My goal is to make a unique body for the Fiero , I do not want to make a kit that resembles anyone else . The guys who have invested time and money into there own designs deserve to keep them and not have some guy come in to copy them for less. I will try my hardest to have it not resemble another car , in reality I don't think that is possible as my ideas are driven by what I see out there now. No matter how hard I try and don't think I can unlearn what I have learned.
I go back to earlier statements , my goal is to shorten the front fascia and add a modern touch . Fascia #1 pulls from a GM car that is very similar in size to a Fiero . The rear Fascia's are the hardest as there are not a lot of "real" good looking rear ends. I am placing my vision of what I perceive a modern day Fiero to look like, I would love to see some more input on what others see as a modern design.
Yes the stock Fiero GT and SE are almost timeless in there body design , I for one would like an affordable face lift option. Hope some others also agree .
Why do you want to change a Fiero into something it's not?
Why haven't you asked this same question in any of Threads where Archie transforms the Fiero into something that looks nothing like a Fiero? This guy is trying to offer the same concept at a cheaper price and 75% less bondo....
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Posts: 282 From: Carmel Valley CA, USA Registered: Sep 2007
Well here is a slightly tweaked #1 also including some of what i used on the side profile , its not great but I hope its a improvement.
Mustang in all Fairness Archie had a tough go in the beginning with his proposed wide body, that worked out in the long run. I appreciate the support but I already know that I wont be able to please everyone.
-Kemp
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Posts: 4701 From: Sydney Australia Registered: Sep 2004
My goal is to make a unique body for the Fiero , I do not want to make a kit that resembles anyone else . The guys who have invested time and money into there own designs deserve to keep them and not have some guy come in to copy them for less. I will try my hardest to have it not resemble another car , in reality I don't think that is possible as my ideas are driven by what I see out there now. No matter how hard I try and don't think I can unlearn what I have learned.
I go back to earlier statements , my goal is to shorten the front fascia and add a modern touch . Fascia #1 pulls from a GM car that is very similar in size to a Fiero . The rear Fascia's are the hardest as there are not a lot of "real" good looking rear ends. I am placing my vision of what I perceive a modern day Fiero to look like, I would love to see some more input on what others see as a modern design.
Yes the stock Fiero GT and SE are almost timeless in there body design , I for one would like an affordable face lift option. Hope some others also agree .
-Kemp
If you want to make a unique kit for your Fiero, you probably shouldn't ask others whether they are interested or not. Decide what you like, and build it, if that's what you want. If you ask for opinions, you're going to get them. If that means making your Fiero look like a weird Porsche 911, and that is what you want, then do it. Most people probably won't like it.
Everyone wants an affordable face lift. But face lifts aren't cheap. Investing in building a body kit is expensive, and if you're going to sell body kits, you're going to want to recover cost of labor and materials to build molds and everything, as well.
Fact is that everyone has an opinion on what they want, and they are all different.
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Aug 9th, 2011
Kemp3 Member
Posts: 282 From: Carmel Valley CA, USA Registered: Sep 2007
I asked for peoples opinions because I wanted the input. But just like the last guys post , A whole post about how I should be doing this. Not one piece of input on design or concept, I have no problem with criticism . Would prefer it to be constructive though.
But I think I get it , while some like the design . Its not a huge hit with the majority of the community .
Well, like I said; you asked for an opinion and you got one. My opinion is you should do what you want with your car, and not ask people whether they necessarily like it or not, or if they would buy kits. Lots of threads similar to this have happened over the years, and they invariably end up with someone dumping lots of money into trying to design and build a whole body kit, and either getting frustrated and fed up with the task, never completing it, or building an alright car, finding that most all the people who said they'd buy the kit, won't/can't, and then get upset.
And trying to please anyone but yourself with your own car, is going to do nothing but cause you some frustration and get you upset.
If you want my opinion on the design. It's awful. It's not a design. It's a mish-mash of pieces from other cars that are more modern/exotic. If I wanted a 350z/370z, Porsche 911, Gallardo, or whatever, I wouldn't try to blend individual parts into the existing Fiero body lines to get one. The great thing about the MadArch widebody kit, is that it still looks like a Fiero. It's a little more aggressive looking, but it's still a Fiero. You can add a lot more on top of it, that takes more and more away from the Fiero look, like the hatch, and adding other body work, tail lights, headlights, etc… that all look out of place. But the basic widebody kit is still very Fiero.
If you want an original and unique design, then hit the drawing board, and not Google image search to find Photoshopping materials. Don't just make a mash-up of other cars onto the Fiero, but make an original design of what a modern Fiero might be, and build it.
And I didn't comment on the design in the previous post, because I was trying to help push you in the right direction of how to make a decision, rather than flat out telling you how bad it was and upsetting you. Since I'm sure you're going to be upset after you read this post.
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Kemp3 Member
Posts: 282 From: Carmel Valley CA, USA Registered: Sep 2007
Dobey your opinion doesn't bother me in the least , I appreciate your honesty . I am sorry you feel the way you do but you are defiantly one of the people I could possibly never please.
In terms of how I choose to do the design we have a different mind set . Seeing as how I visualize drawings for a living while turning them into reality it works for me. I get a concept and work from there , my goal is to make it fit the lines of the car and look natural . But hey as you have stated , this will probably be my one off and I am fine with that .
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