After seeing curly's silver chop top, i knew i had to have one. The problem is now that he has begun work on #15 i like aspects of that one too.
My dilemma is that i love wings, and the silver chop tops wing on the 5" wing stands, moved back to the edge of the decklid, and with the wing tips extended 2" at an angle is perfect in my opinion for the fiero.
(I already have the custom 5" wing stands made by sage)
What i like about Madcurl's choptop #15 is the semi-widebody effect he created by adding a front fender to the rear fender area:
What i would like to do is combine the two, the widebody and the wing, question is though is it going to look right ? If push comes to shove the fender flaring would likely lose out.
Here are some cars that i think have a wider rear and spoiler
First the Lotus sport exige Rear shot Also a ferrari modena 360
Basically do u think the wing is going to look right on a widebody ?
I have also thought about widening the fiero wing (side to side/tip to tip) by cutting it in half and adding material or using an aftermarket wing,... but i would prefer to stay with the factory wing.
Thanks for the input.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
What I didn't realize when I raised my wing and moved it back is that it essentially becomes wider because the car is narrower at the back. I would suggeest leaving the wing at stock width after you raise it and you will get the wide effect to match the wide body look.
If it's not enough then I would split the wing in the middle and make it a bit wider. Or you can do like Curley and have multiple cars and not try to do every mod on the same car.
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Posts: 1426 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Registered: Jan 2004
What I didn't realize when I raised my wing and moved it back is that it essentially becomes wider because the car is narrower at the back. I would suggeest leaving the wing at stock width after you raise it and you will get the wide effect to match the wide body look.
If it's not enough then I would split the wing in the middle and make it a bit wider. Or you can do like Curley and have multiple cars and not try to do every mod on the same car.
IMO I would follow JScott's thoughts. Pontiac really in the begining went "all-out" in creating a really non-after market looking wing for the Fiero. making it wider or longer from end-to-end would be a little over kill. Why? If you add material to one part, you may have to or will need to add material at the end tips to balance the look of the wing. That's extra weight which in turn may lead to breakage or saging in the middle?
The Silver choptop isn't truly balanced in the rear IMO. The rear end needs a minor rear front fender flaring. Maybe not as extreme as #15 but just a little less like the Redux. One of the truely "good" ideas about adding the front fender to the back is that you can limit the flaring as little as 1" to 6" if needed. I'm starting to think GM had this in mind when creating the front fender. It is just to easy for "this" to be added by accident? For those with extra fenders laying around.....go to your fiero and see for yourself. I'm truly shocked!
No problem. No doubt you will be pleased even with #15 extreme fender flaring and that the stock wing with tips is just right. However, it will be hard visualizing it w/o the wing extentions or tips.
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exoticse Member
Posts: 8654 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
No problem. No doubt you will be pleased even with #15 extreme fender flaring and that the stock wing with tips is just right. However, it will be hard visualizing it w/o the wing extentions or tips.
I could always whip up some cardboard wing tip mockups to simulate the extensions.
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Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
My dilemma is that i love wings, and the silver chop tops wing on the 5" wing stands, moved back to the edge of the decklid, and with the wing tips extended 2" at an angle is perfect in my opinion for the fiero.
Hmmm.....so many mods with only one car? Tony, just like JScott suggested, you can always get two cars and do both?
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
i was up close and personal with madcurls car this week. those pics don't do it justice. it's simply amazing to me what he's done to that thing. little things even. look at how the door handles are. they're not shaved, they're there. hidden. it's awesome. i hope he's going to shave the antennae hole out though. i'm sure the front isn't finished yet anyway.
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Philphine Member
Posts: 6136 From: louisville,ky. usa Registered: Feb 2000
So true, I love chop tops and I love T-tops , so I have both. Now if you could incorporate both those mods in the same Car...
same with me. i might be able to come up with a decent fiero if i concentrated on one, but it's not as interesting to me as playing with several. it may take longer (if i accomplish it at all), but i'll have a somewhat affordable custom "stable" when i'm done.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
i was up close and personal with madcurls car this week. those pics don't do it justice. it's simply amazing to me what he's done to that thing. little things even. look at how the door handles are. they're not shaved, they're there. hidden. it's awesome. i hope he's going to shave the antennae hole out though. i'm sure the front isn't finished yet anyway.
Why did I not shave the handles? Using the VDC kit, you'll need a something to raise the door. From what I have seen with those who have the VDC kit with shaved handles is, "there is no place to actually place your hand." Since my car caused minor bumps on members foreheads at Daytona.....it might be best to take it slow while getting in and out of the car. Having shaved handles might cause someones fingers snapping off while closing the door, hehehe.
Oh yeah, the front end isn't finished yet. I don't really need the antenna because, I have XM.
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MDFierolvr Member
Posts: 2025 From: Great Mills, MD Registered: Mar 2004
That is so crazy good looking. It looks stock, but aftermarket. I just can't really explain it. Now I want to see the fiero come back just so you could be on the design team
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Master Tuner Akimoto Member
Posts: 2267 From: South Florida,USA Registered: Jul 2003
Curly I have the wide body kit installed on my car only the gas door is left to be done (props to you for your vision) I went to check out some rims on Thursday but had difficulty finding a wide rim with a 5x 100 pattern,I want to use a 305/315 x45x19 for the rears what size are you using space is not an issue as I have coilovers?.
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87FieroGTx Member
Posts: 2630 From: Bath, New York, USA Registered: Jun 2001
Curly I have the wide body kit installed on my car only the gas door is left to be done (props to you for your vision) I went to check out some rims on Thursday but had difficulty finding a wide rim with a 5x 100 pattern,I want to use a 305/315 x45x19 for the rears what size are you using space is not an issue as I have coilovers?.
305/25/20 = a 26.3 diameter. My other set is 345/25/20 @ 26.6
5x100 issue's? Yes, a wide rim for a 5x100 is going to be hard, especially anything over 9". Try the FOOSE's.
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Apr 4th, 2005
Philphine Member
Posts: 6136 From: louisville,ky. usa Registered: Feb 2000
has anyone happened to eyeball this wide body idea on a coupe? i don't have any extra front fenders and am wondering if it flows as well.
A notchback with a front-to-rear fender should look slick and would be a welcome change! So far, no one has gone outside with a front fender to see? I would but, I don't have any notchbacks. I think the Stinger would look nice with it?
I'm all about Wide-body cars; I think that’s just about the only way to make a car look meaner, faster and attractive. (In my book at least)
I saw Madcurl's car at the Daytona show. BTW Madcurl is a very nice guy he took the time to show me his car before the banquet started and give me a mini tour of what he had done and how he approach the different difficulties on the making.
I also talk to norms fiberglass and he is in the making of a rear clip that will incorporate a Wide-body looks to it, along with an F40 Ferrari gate opening style. (This will probably take few months before it makes any appearances)
The ideal way for widening the Fiero will be to install the GT racing Fiero kit (like the one at the Daytona show). But those are not made anymore, I know that Pisa or some other place sales some kind of wide-body kit, but I don't like way they make the wheel openings so small it changes the looks of the car way too much. (Not attractive).
That is why I like Madcurl's idea, since it doesn't require the purchase of a kit, and this actually allows a lot more freedom on what you want your final product to look like!
THUMBS UP! for Madcurl's idea!
BTW Exoticse with the wing looks just as good as if without it. (You can't go wrong is a Wide-body thing!)
Take care! JG.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Well I just noticed how low you had yours placed (in relation to the fuel door).. I tried that initially, but it stuck out way to far since the bottom front section of the fender needs to be below the 'belt' line. With the Archie scoops, it pushes the fender like 8" away from the body.. Heres what I could do..
thanks much. one thing i thought could be a problem might work out for me since mine has a bit of wierdness to it. i still need to pick amoung my wheels and try to see if what i choose sticks out to really need it, but if that happens this looks like good option, and will give me some variety bettween cars since two of them have irms and another has an irm copy.
another question. seems like all the threads are sharing the same couple of pics. are there more anywhere else? some web site or something?
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Master Tuner Akimoto Member
Posts: 2267 From: South Florida,USA Registered: Jul 2003
The only hard part I had about this mod is getting the fuel door aligned and mounted and working it takes a little tweaking to have it right mine came out alright after a cutting and modifying the inner fender panel.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
I think this is better vs. the GT FB look. Since part of the rear appears too "stick-out".... that make the modification simple. Why? on the FB, this modification only reaches part way or 3-4" shy of reaching the end where the rear GT tail-light begain.
Also, it looks rather "crude' due to the extra area where the bolts are attached. Once the bolt openings or edge are removed it should give you a better look.
example of "removed" lip or bolted area:
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Is it me or does that just look like it was cut off and screwed on..??
Well if you look at my buildup thread you will see that I cut off the bottom of a GT "like" rear fascia, flipped it upside down and screwed it on. There is a little bit more to it than that though. It has to be trimmed such that the sides are level, and I have support brackets in the center to hold it up. I can adjust the angle that it makes and I'm still deciding which angle looks better. And of course I will eventually smoooooth it in.
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