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Source for LED taillights for GT or volunteer? by yellowstone
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Is there any source (I don't know of any) that sells a kit to convert the GT taillight to LED?

If not, is there anybody who's WILLING and ABLE to make one for me? For a reasonable price, obviously. Or, at the very minimum, the electronics for it.

Something like this is what I'm looking for (maybe with the reverse light in LED, too):



It should be plug&play.

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Ooh... I quite like that.
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What do ypu consider reasonable ?
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Since I don't know how much time and money in terms of parts is involved, I'd expect to find out from the person doing the job.

 
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What do ypu consider reasonable ?


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Report this Post06-10-2010 11:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KissMySSFieroSend a Private Message to KissMySSFieroDirect Link to This Post
I'll second yellowstone. I want some too.

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wow those look great!
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Report this Post06-10-2010 01:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BoogalooSend a Private Message to BoogalooDirect Link to This Post
That particular lens uses 58super bright LED's and 35 for the indicator and that is per light they are easy to make just time consuming and a lot of soldering kinda one of and that runs up the cost .
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If he doesn't chime in here, get a hold of sabooo, I believe he has LED tails. Not sure if they were a kit or custom.
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Report this Post06-10-2010 07:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for lildevilClick Here to visit lildevil's HomePageSend a Private Message to lildevilDirect Link to This Post
contact these guys....
http://www.spaghettienginee...ersus/store/home.asp

they are making me a set for my notchback. Should be done in 3 weeks. If they make one set its about 1000 dollars but if they can sell 10 or more the price drops to only 300 a set. You'll have to send them a set to play with though.

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Originally posted by lildevil:

contact these guys....
http://www.spaghettienginee...ersus/store/home.asp

they are making me a set for my notchback. Should be done in 3 weeks. If they make one set its about 1000 dollars but if they can sell 10 or more the price drops to only 300 a set. You'll have to send them a set to play with though.



I don't suppose that price includes GT lenses?? I doubt it, but if it does, that's one heckuva deal!

edit: the $300 price would be a deal...not worth a grand.

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I was betting around $1000.00. That is a lot of work and unless you have a china slave labor factory, you will be paying $28.00 to $40.00 an hour on the cheap side for someone to make a set.

Have you tried any of the 3Watt or 5Watt cree replacement bulbs and painting the reflector bright white? that should even out the light and a 3 Watt with a 130 degree light spread should fill out the reflector and lens...



Far cheaper to try than anything else... It worked great on my motorcycle, and painting the reflector shiny bright white is a old hotrod/biker trick to make the tail light brighter.

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To make it clearer, this is what I'm thinking about:


Lights off/lights on/braking


Lights on/blinking right

The reverse light could just receive a LED bulb such as this one: http://www.spaghettienginee...tem.asp?idProduct=63
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Report this Post06-11-2010 07:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for AustralianClick Here to visit Australian's HomePageSend a Private Message to AustralianDirect Link to This Post
I am no electronic master but i think using strip lights it could be made in couple of hours with electronic knowledge and i estimate the cost of materials to be about $100 all up. I may actually do this mod as it looks very easy.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/e...geName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

It only cost me $5 delivered for 2 x 24cm = 2 x 24 bulbs any color. yellow red white green or blue. That is easy under 100 and use a little led panel for reverse lights also i can find for about $5

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Report this Post06-11-2010 08:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for saboooSend a Private Message to saboooDirect Link to This Post
Golden86 created the ones on my car. He created a thread detailing his work. (EDIT: - I think you've found this already as the photo in your post looks like it came from this thread)

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-2-078206.html

In the dark: (Side markers are TLG)



Hazard /signal flashing:



Signal Off:




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im not too much of a fan of LEDs flush against the lens assembly. it has very visible hot spots. it does light up at the correct brightness and is visible from a distance. i need to get off my kiester and do is make a thin fiberglass layer that is practically a drop in that matches the reflectors curvature. mount some LEDs in that so you have lighting that is facing at every angle. just as if it was being lit by a regular bulb. but this way would be much brighter and have the instant on/off like a LED. and no hot spots.

another idea with that is to nite shades the lenses from the inside, then spray on a layer or two of some frosted glass. very interesting and even lighting. hardly any noticeable or none at all hotspots.

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Originally posted by americasfuture2k:

im not too much of a fan of LEDs flush against the lens assembly. it has very visible hot spots. it does light up at the correct brightness and is visible from a distance. i need to get off my kiester and do is make a thin fiberglass layer that is practically a drop in that matches the reflectors curvature. mount some LEDs in that so you have lighting that is facing at every angle. just as if it was being lit by a regular bulb. but this way would be much brighter and have the instant on/off like a LED. and no hot spots.

another idea with that is to nite shades the lenses from the inside, then spray on a layer or two of some frosted glass. very interesting and even lighting. hardly any noticeable or none at all hotspots.



x2 That's exactly what I was thinking, I'm not a fan of being able to count every LED that is in the taillights. But your idea sounds like it would look sweet.

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I played around with notchie lights like that. I used over 100 leds on each side. I have one just about finished. It's ALOT of work! I'll eventually finish it up this summer. I have a spare set of GT lenses I might convert to LEDs. I don't have a car to use them on though.
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Originally posted by Carver1:

I played around with notchie lights like that. I used over 100 leds on each side. I have one just about finished. It's ALOT of work! I'll eventually finish it up this summer. I have a spare set of GT lenses I might convert to LEDs. I don't have a car to use them on though.


My LED panels on my Notchie have 576 LEDs per side.... 18 individual segments that can be triggered independently per side for a total of 36. And mine do not have visible "hot spots"...

One set of panels, lit up on the lowest setting my PWM would go...


The driver's side insert, on park light brightness..


Park lights from a distance


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I believe that Golden86 had absolutely no interest in making more either... said it was a big PITA.

A great resource for automotive LED retrofits in general... HIDPlanet's LED Forum

I got this far using Golden86's 10mm LED design as a reference and then changed my mind... I am still doing LEDs but going a totally different route...



I still have these plates for both sides and they fit in behind the sections in the colored lense of the tail light. They are made of plastic and were cut using a laser engraver/cutter. I had to use Corel Draw to make the vector files... its weird, I never would have thought to use that software for this purpose, but I guess vectors is vectors

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this is a lot of really nice work everyone. mine is nice in theory lol.
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Originally posted by americasfuture2k:

this is a lot of really nice work everyone. mine is nice in theory lol.


Mine is not much better at this point...
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That's got to be the best vanity tag I've seen on a Fiero! ;-)
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Park lights from a distance







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You could hit the brakes and give the guy behind you a suntan with those mo-fo's...



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Originally posted by aaronkoch:





Millennium falcon, cleared for take-off.

You could hit the brakes and give the guy behind you a suntan with those mo-fo's...


Can and have.


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I like the way that spaghetti engineerings come out. They look factory, not like a Light Brite set. Heres a set for a Camaro that would be close to a Fiero GT. The sequential flash can be turned on and off...

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What about something like this in LED?

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Any opinions on this? I thought people would like that pic!

 
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What about something like this in LED?



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My suggestion would be to get a panel first either original gt primed or some custom one or two part panel then get it laser cut exactly where you want the lights then silicone perspex from behind or the desired lighting cover so it is waterproof before you begin fitting your lights that way you will only illuminate what you desire. I believe a machine will beat a steady hand as far as getting a neat cut for these.

Really nice work sebooo

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pretty sharp idea.

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Originally posted by lildevil:

I like the way that spaghetti engineerings come out. They look factory, not like a Light Brite set. Heres a set for a Camaro that would be close to a Fiero GT. The sequential flash can be turned on and off...



This is the one I like and would pay 300 for a set for a GT. -Jason

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Oznium sells waterproof Surface Mount strips that can be adhered to a backer plate, pre-resister-ed.

www.oznium.com

Should save time when building, not cheap, but may be worth the hassle.
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Originally posted by yellowstone:

What about something like this in LED?



Seems ok as a starting point..but I would change it to two rounds; because it looks better and they will match your twin round headlights...


Then make them less obvious

..and change the lights

Hella and others offer lights with seperate ring and inner light to make your own combination. These are used on many sportscars too



I would keep the original GT outer taillight lenses intact, make a new inner insert (black painted fiberglass, or CF ), cut two rounds and put these lights in there
btw what happened to your VW-part taillight idea you had sometime ago ?
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Where do you find the lights like that Fie Ro? I really like those and have been looking for something like that. I was about to make my own.

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Originally posted by Fie Ro:





Wow, that looks really sharp!
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man i need 2 other complete GT tail light assemblies for my idea. and like 4 sets of lenses. could be old and well used lenses too.
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Originally posted by Vendetta:
Where do you find the lights like that Fie Ro? I really like those and have been looking for something like that. I was about to make my own.
Austin


Well there were some in a 2006 hella catalog I have, I just found this online pdf from Hella
http://www.hella.nl/produkt...htshow_Part3_GBu.pdf

page 7 of the pdf, has partnumbers and dimensions

add: a good description: http://www.tuninglinx.com/h...-led-light-ring.html

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Originally posted by Fie Ro:


Well there were some in a 2006 hella catalog I have, I just found this online pdf from Hella
http://www.hella.nl/produkt...htshow_Part3_GBu.pdf

page 7 of the pdf, has partnumbers and dimensions

add: a good description: http://www.tuninglinx.com/h...-led-light-ring.html



I LIKE these llights!
Now 2 questions that I need to answer:
1. Cost?
2. Availability?
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Originally posted by randye:

I LIKE these llights!
Now 2 questions that I need to answer:
1. Cost?
2. Availability?


Being Hella they are probably not cheap. But I really like them, too, and it's probably a very good solution since the lights themselves don't have to be fabricated, "just" the insert/bracket that holds them in the Fiero taillight assembly and the wiring. Almost like the Hella headlight buckets that Fiero1Fan makes!
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I'm presently working on a set like the first post but with the back up lights also... will post pics a little later... I'm waiting of my boards to be etched... turn signals will be sequential 7 segments. 135 superflux LEDs per side..... will keep you all posted soon

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