This is on the news here in chicago.

Chicago has national guard at the ohare airport "helping" with the security checks.

Either today, or yesterday. An american born(in ohio) 20 year old female who is of afghanistan decent was checking in. She was wearing those afgan dresswear.

A nationguard and security asked her to remove her hood. So they can inspect if she had anything. She refused because she cant take it off in front of males. So they escorted her into a room where two female officers?, did a strip search.

Now shes sueing with the help of aclu, on the grounds of discrimination.

im just ______ pissed off. if they wanted to search me, go ahead. like im losing any freedom at all, i was born naked. And if she didn't have to be a ***** about removing that head gear, this would have never happened. And i hate how they wear that crap, eventhough they are living in America. I see them in my school and its just queer.

If you came to america for freedom, then show it. I know some of the women in afghan were removing their dresswear when the US started dropping our bombs.

Its they way there religion and beliefs are, Its somehting you have to respect. They did the right thing by taking her to female cops cause thats how it is. But her sueing is **** in my eyes.

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I wouldnt worry too much about it. Its probobly just a ploy. People these days think they can get away w/ anything (and unfortuantly, sometimes they're right), so they're going to take advantage of it.
I think deep down inside, the ACLU means well. Unfortunantly, they have gotten so far left, that alot of what they do now is just plain rediculas.

now i have to reconsider joining the reserves. dont want to face a lawsuit.

the chick talked on the news, she talkes just like a normal american college girl, just dressed like an afgan woman. And it seems that shes just doing it just for the hell of it.
you have to be in college/university to know how some of the girls talk like. <shiver> career women, im all that. now im starting another flame war. Poor cliff.

Sounds to me like the woman is trying to take advantage of the situation. Heck, its been in the news that airport security has taken members of Congress into the room to do a strip search (I cannot remember the names, but one of them kept setting off the metal detectors... turned out to be his metal hip! ).

Wouldn't be the first time ACLU set something up to overturn something they didn't like.

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quote Originally posted by Loki: Its they way there religion and beliefs are, Its somehting you have to respect. They did the right thing by taking her to female cops cause thats how it is. But her sueing is **** in my eyes.

WHY ARE STUPID BELIVERS IN DEADLY FAIRY TALES
IMUNE FROM CRITICISM and WHY MUST I RESPECT THEIR FAIRY TALES AT ALL???????
LAWS SAY THEY HAVE RIGHTS but if I want to start a belife that I will never wear cloths THEY WILL QUICKLY JAIL ME and it seems not to matter at all that MOST OF WHAT I DO BELIVE IS AGAINST MOST OF YOUR LAWS.

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So if I refused to open a jacket (another piece of clothing) to show I didn't have a bomb or something concealed I would be strip searched, forcefully if necessary. So how has she been discriminated against? She is just another person trying to get money nothing. If she can't respect the rules don't use the service.

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quote Originally posted by ray b: ...and WHY MUST I RESPECT THEIR FAIRY TALES AT ALL???????

You obviously don't, so what the f#(& are you b!tching about again?!

quote ...and it seems not to matter at all that MOST OF WHAT I DO BELIVE IS AGAINST MOST OF YOUR LAWS.

That's a sick thought indeed. So why are you here? Go form your own f#(&ing nation on your own F#(&ing island and leave the rest of us alone.

In other words, p!ss off! This does not need to be another HP thread about the woes of ray's ignorant paranoia.

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On topic, she was in her right be refuse to do it openly, they were in their right to accomodate her. She (and the ACLU, as usual) are smoking MAJOR amounts of crack if they think they have a snowball's chance in h@ll of winning anything here.

That is all.

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Other then RayB, I know somebody else that would have disagreed with you Triad. Good thing he isn't here anymore.

I HEREWITH REFER YOU TO: Another stupid court case.

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alright, so, if i go to the airport and have a chain with a cross at the end, and refuse to take it off when i go through the medal detector, and they say i cant board or whatever, i can sue em? hey, if they want me to take off the chain in order to see if i have anything else on me, i will, even if its against my religion i do it because its there rules

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rayb... Do you actually own a Fiero?

You are F***ing WIERD!!!!

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well, i tend to disagree with the whole purpose of the aclu. i do believe the people have certain inalianable rights, however if they choose to disregard them with respect to others, then they chose to lose them.

as for the chick sueing because someone wanted to look up her burka to see if there was a plastic knife... get over it. that kind of thing is going to happen to a lot of people from now on. because of whats happened, everyone has to face stricter security measures.

should i sue the airport for xraying my luggage? are they not violating my right to privacy? what if they find my **** mag collection and embarass me, hasn't that caused me some distress?

just one last question, b4 i go stick a strawberry pop tart in the toaster,... did her parents take the time to teach her the english language (and does she observe the comon courtesy to use it in public?)?

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quote Originally posted by ray b: WHY ARE STUPID BELIVERS IN DEADLY FAIRY TALES IMUNE FROM CRITICISM and WHY MUST I RESPECT THEIR FAIRY TALES AT ALL??????? LAWS SAY THEY HAVE RIGHTS but if I want to start a belife that I will never wear cloths THEY WILL QUICKLY JAIL ME and it seems not to matter at all that MOST OF WHAT I DO BELIVE IS AGAINST MOST OF YOUR LAWS.

First, What did you smoke/drink today?
Second, If you don't like our laws, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out. It seems every time something comes up you are the first person to complain about this country and the laws within it. You must remember this country was built on Christian Values, many of our laws ar that way too. If you don't agree with them that is fine. But you seem to have a deep rooted fear of those in government and with the laws they make. The planet is 25,000 miles in diameter, surely you can find some place that makes you happy. (and go there!)

Finally, When will you ever stick to the topic at hand? This is about someone saying their they were discriminated against. It looks like she did it for the publicity. Everyone knows that airport security is increasing almost daily. It is obvious that if anyone tried to go thru airport security dressed in many layers of clothes, they would be searched. Whether it's veils or a large heavy coats doesn't matter. Besides it appears they respected her right to not remove her hood in front of males. the suit won't go far. It'll be thrown out of court.

Ahhh freedom. The strange thing about it is that...let me give an example. One person may say, I have the right to wear a type of religious clothing. Another may say that that type of clothing offends them and they have the right not to be anywhere near it. Now they both have the right to use the public areas such as the airport. Now do you see where one persons freedom and rights gets in the way of another persons freedom and rights? Unfortunately, this is only going to get worse. Cigar smokers, you have the freedom to smoke in your home anytime you choose. Another may have the right to not be exposed to any type of smoke. (don't start people) Now if subject A lives under subject B in an apartment complex where smoking is allowed, who wins?
It is never ending. I have seen this type of my rights, your freedom thing used in a whole lot of B.S. cases in court and on the street. Where do your freedoms end and my rights begin?

quote Originally posted by Oreif: First, What did you smoke/drink today? Second, If you don't like our laws, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out. It seems every time something comes up you are the first person to complain about this country and the laws within it. You must remember this country was built on Christian Values, many of our laws ar that way too. If you don't agree with them that is fine. But you seem to have a deep rooted fear of those in government and with the laws they make. The planet is 25,000 miles in diameter, surely you can find some place that makes you happy. (and go there!)

HI Mr Oreif isit 67 again LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT
NO WAY DIDNOT THEN WILLNOT NOW but did fight the EVIL and WON BOTH LBJ and TRICKY DICK got run out of town as will BUSH RERUN by ENRON and his crooks.
BUT my family was HERE before THERE WAS A HERE mom people came on the SPEEDWELL not the MAYFLOWER true but the second boat.THEY ALLSO WALKED OUT on the stupid CHRISTIANS
to found Rhode Island the FIRST REALY FREE state
DADS people got a royal grant to about 1/3 of the DELAWARE only a few years later
I am the desendant of FONDERS on both sides
and MY PEOPLE BUILT this LAND from square #1
blood of family shead on boths sides of revoluton and civil wars EARN THE RIGHTS to speakout to ALL THEIR DESENDANTS.

AND NO NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION most of founding fathers were diest NOT CHRISTIAN
and I HOPE WE NEVER BECOME ONE

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ray b, please go back and finish grade school. If you don't do that at least read your posts before you press the submit button.

After reading his last post, I feel we are all now dumber.

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ray, isn't a belief that believes in nothing counterproductive? Get over it. You're a secular humanist, so head on over to the zoo and talk to some of your (maybe not so) distant relatives about it.

It wouldn't be so bad if your rants were placed within the confines of half decent grammar, much less context. You might have been worth the time to agreeably disagree with, if you had decided to respect us with a command of sixth grade level english. As it is, your diatribes are as tiring as they are tiresome. I lost my decoder ring a long time ago.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: The planet is 25,000 miles in diameter, surely you can find some place that makes you happy. (and go there!)

The Earth is 25K miles in circumference. Unfortunately, compassion, certainly a hallmark of Judeo-Christian ethics does not allow us to quarrantine the ignorant.

quote Originally posted by rayb: BUSH RERUN by ENRON and his crooks.

(edit) Man, I hate when I miss things.

I was hoping that you'd bring this up again. Enron is an energy company that is now in the news because its execs called friends in the Bush administration and got NOTHING! After contributing over $400,000 to Bush over twenty years and three elections, Bush refused to be part of Clinton's highly touted Kyoto Accord, which would have benefitted Enron greatly. Enron got less than nothing.

Of course, the airlines got $billions, and guess who's wife is a lobbyist for two of thos airlines that got our money? Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle's. Am I saying that this is wrong? Time will tell, but it certainly seems that some dinnertime conversations were probably had.

Also, Home State Mining Co. was going under and needed a buyer, but no one would touch them. Why? Well, they'd been in business for a long time, and who knows how they mined for gold back in the days. They happened to ring their state's senior senator, and guess what was attached to a defense appropriations bill? Home State Mining Co., now owned by a Canadian concern, cannot be sued for ANY environmental damage caused by it over the last 125 years. Neither can the home state, which is South Dakota. SD's Senior Senator? Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.

Shut up Tom. The tax cuts couldn't have caused our recession, because they haven't taken effect yet. And shut up ray, becuase Bush gave nothing to Enron, but it looks like Daschle has spent another $500M to 1B of our money.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: ray, isn't a belief that believes in nothing counterproductive? Get over it. You're a secular humanist, so head on over to the zoo and talk to some of your (maybe not so) distant relatives about it. It wouldn't be so bad if your rants were placed within the confines of half decent grammar, much less context. You might have been worth the time to agreeably disagree with, if you had decided to respect us with a command of sixth grade level english. As it is, your diatribes are as tiring as they are tiresome. I lost my decoder ring a long time ago. (edit) Man, I hate when I miss things. I was hoping that you'd bring this up again. Enron is an energy company that is now in the news because its execs called friends in the Bush administration and got NOTHING! After contributing over $400,000 to Bush over twenty years and three elections, Bush refused to be part of Clinton's highly touted Kyoto Accord, which would have benefitted Enron greatly. Enron got less than nothing. Of course, the airlines got $billions, and guess who's wife is a lobbyist for two of thos airlines that got our money? Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle's. Am I saying that this is wrong? Time will tell, but it certainly seems that some dinnertime conversations were probably had. Also, Home State Mining Co. was going under and needed a buyer, but no one would touch them. Why? Well, they'd been in business for a long time, and who knows how they mined for gold back in the days. They happened to ring their state's senior senator, and guess what was attached to a defense appropriations bill? Home State Mining Co., now owned by a Canadian concern, cannot be sued for ANY environmental damage caused by it over the last 125 years. Neither can the home state, which is South Dakota. SD's Senior Senator? Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. Shut up Tom. The tax cuts couldn't have caused our recession, because they haven't taken effect yet. And shut up ray, becuase Bush gave nothing to Enron, but it looks like Daschle has spent another $500M to 1B of our money. [This message has been edited by Patrick's Dad (edited 01-16-2002).]

WHY must I have a belife to know that to jailing or killing nonbelivers is WRONG?

so is stealing even if bribs are paid to change the LAWS to say OK like ENRON got DADDY bush to do.
ENRON mess is not out YET remmember WATERGATE and stonewalls wait for the FACTS all of thr FACTS they will take years to get all of the real story. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE pre-fall MEETINGS IT IS A LONG AND WINDING TALE starts with ronnie and DEREG's custom taylored for ENRON before there was a ENRON
and many years of bribs and I am sure DEMO's got some to.
THIS IS NOT WHITEWATER that was BS this is real.
WRONG FACTS in above riff #1 is $400,000 to BUSH reRUN CHECK first ENRON riff I posted for maryjanes links DONOT FORGET TO CHANGE YEARS and ADD TOTALS and that just reported $$$$ not SOFT $$$$$ or undertable $$$$ or 3RD party {LIKE KEN LAYS dogs} $$$$$.

"secular humanist" NO I never join any groupe
ESP ones MADE UP BY CHRISTIANS there are no
"secular humanists" that just your label for people WHO CAN THINK and arenot in your cults.

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Ray, What the he!! does the path you've taken this thread down have to do with the original post? What is your opinion on THIS situation? We already know how you feel about religion and Republicans.

The only religious angle I see here is ironic, the ACLU, famous for challenging public displays of religion, is now going to defend the girl's right to do just that?

Personally I don't see where any wrong was done. They respected her wishes to not be seen by the men.

Next stop for rayb, the twilight zone.

It never ceases to amaze me as to how rayb can create his family history into being the ones that "built" this land but yet none of them are in control? Oh, that's right the "secret christian assasin squad" took care of them. Then they pushed all the bodies into the great lakes to cover their tracks. The few that survived hid in caves for 200 years and now they want their "land" back but everyone seems to be ignoring their letters. HMM...

rayb used to piss me off also, but now I laugh so hard when I read (um, try to read) his post I think he's a joke. I show his reponses to everyone at work....we all get a good laugh out of it. Post some more ray! I need another good laugh!

Whenever I read one of rays posts I end up staring at my monitor like this

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quote Originally posted by Oreif: Next stop for rayb, the twilight zone. ...Oh, that's right the "secret christian assasin squad" took care of them.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I think I found something for my sig, finally.

Member: SCAS

In ray's Bizarro world, there is him, then there are people who "belife" (sic) in things, like God and smaller, cheaper, less intrusive government. Unfortuantely, the Christian notion of plurality has been twisted by his liberal cronies into today's political correctness.

ray, "Thou shalt not kill." was a unique idea when it was introduced to a little over a million people roaming the desert after four hundred years of slavery. The societies of Canaan and the surrounding principalities regularly practiced human sacrifice (including infants. Strange how those practices come around), ritual killings, and other such things. Lying and stealing were hardly uncommon.

Take the Bible for what you will. I see a group of human beings who couldn't follow one simple rule (Don't eat the apples from this tree.), so they were given ten that they couldn't follow, and then 603 more, and they still couldn't get it through their heads that the law can't perfect the individual (or the society, even the one that ferverently believes.). Hence the need for redemption. You can choose to accept it or reject it. You have made your choice, and you choose to muddy the water for others. Ye brood of vipers....

Well, if nothing else, perhaps we can all come to a consesus and all can saftly say, we have at last found EdsB52's long lost father.

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To make this post somewhat tie into the original topic. ACLU also defends NAMBLA.

Things that make you go "hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm".

I heard about that rotten group. Doesn't that stand for North American Man Boy Love Association? Or something like that. People like that should be shot. And I heard about the ACLU defending them. I can't see how anyone could defend THAT!

quote Originally posted by ray b: ...AND NO NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION most of founding fathers were diest NOT CHRISTIAN and I HOPE WE NEVER BECOME ONE

This is too funny. The HP thread is WAY too long for me to go look for this, but you actually argued this point with me from the other side!. I'm the one who told YOU they were DEISTS! You were arguing about how they didn't want real freedom at all, but just wanted to force a different set of beliefs from the English on people.

This is too funny. I wish I cared enough to go find it.

You sir, are just lame.

quote Originally posted by My7Fieros: I wouldnt worry too much about it. Its probobly just a ploy. People these days think they can get away w/ anything (and unfortuantly, sometimes they're right), so they're going to take advantage of it. I think deep down inside, the ACLU means well. Unfortunantly, they have gotten so far left, that alot of what they do now is just plain rediculas.

Back on topic now, I must agree with My7Fieros on this.
My brother and I were at the Nashville Airport the other day and noticed one of those rag headed idiots comin' into the place. We both wondered if securety would stop him. We were sure not the only ones who thought this by the looks I observered the idiot get. I mean come on hear with some respect I took my pocket knife out and left it in the van. I did this so as not to present any questions should a security problem occur not that I expected one or I would have took it. I say RESPECT the situation at hand.

Here we go again. "ragheads" huh? Read the following off topic post for food for thought:
My ex-girlfriend's parents came from Iran. She howevever, was born in Salt Lake city. When I met her, she was and still is as American as apple pie. (Ooo and what a taisty pie) uhem..sorry...anyway, I didn't much care for her parents not because of their national origin, but because of their attitude twards me. I wasn't rich enough for their dauter. Not to mention that her father was a crazy s.o.b. My point is, not because of national origin. I got along great with her grandma. Who was Musslem to the third degree. Now I don't agree with the religion, but she was a nice lady. Just think about it. A comment such as "raghead" is a stereotype that is supposed to be directed tward someone that may or may not even be from that region. Infact, I met an Indian man with a rag on his head who talked alot of crap on other Muslems from that area. It is all about a denomination of the Muslem religion that is anti American. Not all Muslems. Just as it is a small percentage of people from the region that are anti American. Put yourself in his shoes. Say you know you are a good person and you love America and the opportunitys it has presented for you. (With or without government help) Would you like the steriotype of being a terrorist? They are not going to stop wearing religious clothing because it is stereotyped to be terrorist type clothing. Would you? Would you like to walk into a Middle-east airport (not that you ever would and not taking into consideration the wepons you would carry if you were there..heh heh) and automaticly be considered the American who bombed their village and killed their innocent son or daughter? I have met some good people who may dress funny in my mind but they are still people. And just like on the streets in my proffesion, you can not always judge someone by the way they dress.
I have also met some real a-holes that also dress in the same manner. From an individual basis to an individual basis. The same thing happened in WWII with the Japanese. And the same in WWI with German imigrants. Now, I may not agree with all of America's imigration pollicys, but everyone, even American Indians imigrated from somewhere. Perhaps it's my training has taught me that stereotyping doesn't work. But it is mainly from the heart. People are people. Everyone, everywhere are different. I am sorry if you weren't stereotyping but it just reminded of how blind some can be to the big picture. No flame intended. Just food for thought.

All really good points...but this one part...

quote Originally posted by ejayerik: ...Would you like to walk into a Middle-east airport (not that you ever would and not taking into consideration the wepons you would carry if you were there..heh heh) and automaticly be considered the American who bombed their village and killed their innocent son or daughter?...

You most certainly WOULD be considered this...and worse. There are MANY parts of the middle east where you would be executed on site for just being there (and being American).

You see, we're the only part of this planet that has deluded ourselves with social graces, tolerance, and freedom for all. There are many parts of this planet a sheltered American would get into a LOT of trouble (and likely die) in.

I'm not saying calling them "ragheads" isn't offensive and generally uncalled for, or that stereotypes are right or anything, but using a clearly "free-world" example in a religious and culturally-oppressive setting does NOT work.

In other words, we need to "be the better man", but do NOT delude yourself into thinking you'd get anywhere near the same consideration.

After what happened on 9/11 I think "stereo typical" searches should be done. ANYONE that even looks of Middle Eastern descent should be searched and checked completely. I'm sorry if that offends anyone but we really need to be careful in these times of cowardly warfare.

I think they should have immediately pulled all passports from all non nationals and performed background checks. Then for every new passport issued there would also be extensive background checks prior to issuing it.

The face of the enemy is hidden in the crowd; we know he is of Middle Eastern background. The solution the problem is simple BE VIGILANT you can't just say oh your a woman go ahead on the plane. These people are fanatics they will kill 5 children just to kill 1 American. They are friggin fruit loops. I feel bad for the decent folk of Middle Eastern background please forgive me but I WILL protect my children and I feel very strongly about it.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: Next stop for rayb, the twilight zone. It never ceases to amaze me as to how rayb can create his family history into being the ones that "built" this land but yet none of them are in control? Oh, that's right the "secret christian assasin squad" took care of them. Then they pushed all the bodies into the great lakes to cover their tracks. The few that survived hid in caves for 200 years and now they want their "land" back but everyone seems to be ignoring their letters. HMM...

That's too funny!

Now, back to topic (more or less ). In many arabic countries and even in the 'civilized' Saudi Arabia, one will almost certainly be executed or imprisoned if one is found in possession of a Bible. Remember, you don't even have to be reading it! I can't remember which country it was (somewhere in the Middle East) that recently imprisoned some Red Cross workers threatened with executing them. The charge? Possession of Bibles and rosaries and some other Christian material, most likely for distribution. Does anyone know how this ended?

Tell me, when was the last time we tried to execute anyone for possessing religious material in the Western (Christian) world? This bit$h who's suing should be sent back to where she belongs.

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quote Originally posted by Voytek: I can't remember which country it was (somewhere in the Middle East) that recently imprisoned some Red Cross workers threatened with executing them. The charge? Possession of Bibles and rosaries and some other Christian material, most likely for distribution.

They were in (Taliban ruled) Afganistan and were released not long ago and are now home safe and sound. I believe they had 7 people in jail for this.

...and none of that goes to mention the 3000+ non-American Christians murdered every year in China, parts of the Middle East, and other parts of the world...for just being Christian.

You're all on cheap crack.

Thank You.

quote Originally posted by TRiAD: ...and none of that goes to mention the 3000+ non-American Christians murdered every year in China, parts of the Middle East, and other parts of the world...for just being Christian.

BS even taliban only jailed the missionarys
who were warned not to preach but did anyway.
SO LETS SEE THE NAMES who where when
real fact not BS every year missionary's kill 100times that number of natives by inporting diseazes like the common flu in to amazon basin
more american indians were killed by missionary and their illnesses than by guns.

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nevermind, it isn't worth the effort.

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Quoting Ray B..

"inporting" "diseazes" "be wierd"

Buddy.. before you launch into an irrational political/religious tirade, learn to SPELL. Oh and look into using periods.