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Just saw this car on the news and looked it up. Its called a Bugatti Veyron. I saw it in a kit car mag 5 months ago, now they are selling it for $1,700,000 !!! Mid-engine car too, now wonder why its so fast

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its 2.5sec 0-60 and its $1.2mil i dont know why it says that on there, i'm getting this from motor trend.

its called the veyron 16.4 16cyl 4 turbo's

[This message has been edited by AJ7 (edited 12-14-2005).]

Um, isn't it considered a W16? The cylinders are arranged in a W shape, kind of like puttin two v8's together in perfect harmony and giving them 4 turbo's to keep them happy. Sounds like a great deal to me

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quote Originally posted by JamesCurtis: Um, isn't it considered a W16?

lol, thought that was a misprint :-)

i've heard 3 different prices now, if i hit the lottery tonight i know what kind of car i'm goin to get ....i'll still keep the Fiero of course and drop a V8 in it :-)

4200lbs? kinda fat...

Let me rephrase that, the pistons are aligned in a W shape, my last statement was erroneous. But no, it wasn't a misprint

Edit: Ryan, the car isn't long enough to be stable at 250mph like it goes without adding additional weight and that gargantuan spoiler that pops up.

[This message has been edited by JamesCurtis (edited 12-14-2005).]

0-60 in 2.2 seconds? damn

that's almost 1 second faster than your 0-60 time would be if you jumped off a building

fun ride, too expensive though

[This message has been edited by ditch (edited 12-14-2005).]

Am I the only one who remembers that thing as the prototype Bugati EB16-4?

quote Originally posted by ryan.hess: 4200lbs? kinda fat...

Nowhere near fat. Weight is relative.

Almost all mid-engined exotic cars weigh over 4000lbs

<edit> 1000th post! </edit>

[This message has been edited by Spektrum-87GT (edited 12-14-2005).]

and they had to govern the speed to 254 mph
motortrend had some interesting facts on it.
at full throttle in 7th gear it gets less than 3 mpg
the car has different modes, which automatically set the suspension and areodynamics setting for that mode, and to go into the top speed mode, you have to have a second key, which then lowers the car all the way, and retracts the front air dam.
and there is a horsepower gauge reading from 0-1001 hp.

Edit: 0-250 mph time is less than a minute

[This message has been edited by Wht&BluGT (edited 12-15-2005).]

quote Originally posted by JamesCurtis: Edit: Ryan, the car isn't long enough to be stable at 250mph like it goes without adding additional weight and that gargantuan spoiler that pops up.

that spoiler is actually an air brake..... and its amazing with the weight that its still the fastest supercar i've ever seen

they came up w/ this thing over 3 years ago....

im just glad they actually made it... i figure that if ive seen a F430, F40, Ford GT, a TON of Porsche GT2/GT3's then i MIGHT see one of these around here.

So does an actual car exist that has actually run the claimed times or is it more computer estimated data... ie.. BS cause we haven't even built one or taken the one we have built to the track.

That Super Aero is one of those and I find it annoying that Forbes can rank a car as the fastest production car on the planet when it's all computer guesses for advertising purposes.

I don't see where they get the "W". It's a 90 degree V16 engine... two straight eights on a common crank, right?

It is a W engine, that picture is incorrect.

Also, the car does exist. Check last months Car and Driver, they drove one.

I don't get Car and Driver... did they actually hit those claimed times like that zero-60?

If you look at the ignition coils, you can see that they alternate directions, one points toward the inward cylenders, the others point to the outside cylenders.

The cylenders are not inline on each side, they are staggered a few inches. Hope that makes sense. Its a rather odd concept, but it is very effective for reducing package size. I wonder what the crank looks like... Stare at the picture long enough, it will make sense

[This message has been edited by Fierobsessed (edited 12-15-2005).]

A W-block is something like the W-24 boat racing engine. One vertical bank between two angled banks. The W-24 is basically three straight-8's joined together at the crank.

I'm not sure how you can get a W out of 16 cylinders - it's not divisible by three.

EDIT: found a link to a W18 automobile engine.

http://www.lambocars.com/archive/highres/bugattie3.htm

[This message has been edited by Spektyr (edited 12-15-2005).]

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: It is a W engine, that picture is incorrect. Also, the car does exist. Check last months Car and Driver, they drove one.

motor trend did in the Jan. issue.. and i think they tested it, but its hard to test a car that will go over 250mph lol nowhere to do it in the US really... except maybe the salt flats

edit: my bad, they tested it in italy... and the weight and 2.5sec 0-62 is what they got from the factory.. they need to actually test it sometime

[This message has been edited by AJ7 (edited 12-15-2005).]

not really a "W". If you are familiar with a VW VR6, it is a v6 that is 15^oand it looks like a 4 cly with 1 big head. So if you take 2 of them on a common crank and put 90^o between the outer 2 of the 15^o banks you have a w12, so just add more cylinders for a 16 or 18.

EDIT: Hmm I just read about the 3 banks of 6 cly, I could have sworn i read about an engine with 4 banks, 2 15^o ones.

[This message has been edited by cancerkazoo (edited 12-15-2005).]

quote Originally posted by cancerkazoo: not really a "W". If you are familiar with a VW VR6, it is a v6 that is 15oand it looks like a 4 cly with 1 big head. So if you take 2 of them on a common crank and put 90o between the outer 2 of the 15o banks you have a w12, so just add more cylinders for a 16 or 18. EDIT: Hmm I just read about the 3 banks of 6 cly, I could have sworn i read about an engine with 4 banks, 2 15o ones.

i actually understood that.....

923 foot pounds fo torque!!?!?!?!??!?!

I'm scared just thinking about it.

I present you a video of them being first released and driving

Not to "exciting" footage till the end when they go up to 210 mph in what seems like 3-4 seconds!
So insane! You guys are welcome

EDIT: Fixed link

[This message has been edited by Fiero Finale (edited 12-15-2005).]

So..................who's going to put that in my Fiero for me? . That is an amazing engine.

Here is the quote from wikipedia:

quote Originally posted by Wikipedia: A W16 is a 16-cylinder piston engine in a W configuration. All W16 engines consist of four banks of four cylinders (two juxtaposed V8 engine blocks), coupled to a single crankshaft. the W16 engine Volkswagen Group currently produces W16s, based on two of its W8 engines which are based on technology from the narrow-angle VR6 engine. The narrow angle of each set of cylinders allows just two camshafts to drive each pair of banks, so just four are needed in total. Note that this design differs from the W18 that Volkswagen produced for its Bugatti concept cars of 1998 and 1999. The VW W16 is used in the Bugatti Veyron 16.4, expected to ship to its first customers in 2005.

It is like two V8's joined at the crank, to make 16 cylinders. That is a much more compact setup than a V16, which is two banks of 8 cylinders each. But I bet its hell to work on, lol.

You guys want to know more about it in detail?

WELL click here!
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/bugatti.htm

Your welcome again haha.

WOW! Look at this little excerpt from the link, "burning 1.33 gallons of gasoline per minute"

lol I'm so sick of hearing about this car. Top Gear said it would never happen so I want to know what they think about it.

Top Gear did one of their through Euro races with it on Sundays program. Clarkson was raving about it for the whole show, by dividing all the costs involved...each car cost VW �5million to make ....... the sale price is �824,000 apparently. He spent alot of time comparing it to concorde. There were loads of other crazy facts ....I think one was that it can accelerate up to 200mph before the McLaren hits 100mph!! They had to scrape Clarkson from the car..he didn't want to get out.

Cheers
PK

EDIT (from Top Gear site):

"Bugatti Veyron

It started as an off-the-cuff comment by VW boss Ferdinand Pi�ch about how great it would be to make a car that could do 400kph and had a 1000 horsepower. The Veyron has managed to achieve the impossible; a car so good even Jeremy couldn't find fault with it. It's so good, the Stig cried after driving it.

And that's what makes the Veyron special, it's an engineering feat. Apparently VW are losing money on every one they sell. But thank goodness, in this day and age that someone is prepared to create something, not just to make money, but because they want to see if they can.

But its better than that, its not just a way of proving their engineering prowess, it's a seriously great car and Jeremy has not stopped going on about just how great. The statistics alone make a man weak at the knees. For example, the Veyron has staggeringly good brakes, they can bring the car from 250mph to a complete stop in just ten seconds. It gets even better, at full speed, the Bugatti will empty its 100 litre fuel tank in just 12 minutes. It goes without saying, a 100 litres of petrol costs �100.

The fact is though, very few people will ever own a Veyron. It does, after all, cost the large part of a million quid. But that isn't the point. The point is that it is to cars what Concorde was for planes. Something that will be recorded in the history books as a feat of human endeavour. "

[This message has been edited by PK (edited 12-15-2005).]

Well I checked up on it... you can look at a movie on the Bugatti website that explains the engine configuration.

Personally, I think calling it a "W" is cheating. It doesn't look anything like a W. It's a V-16 with a zig-zag cylinder placement if you look at the head from the top. Four cylinders at the bottom, four at the top, squeezed into a zig-zag so it takes up less space.

W engines have three banks. This one has two or four, depending on how you look at it. It has four banks viewed from the crankshaft, but two heads.

64 valves on that sucker. Glad I don't have to work on them.

quote Originally posted by Fiero Finale: I present you a video of them being first released and driving Not to "exciting" footage till the end when they go up to 210 mph in what seems like 3-4 seconds! So insane! You guys are welcome EDIT: Fixed link

That had to be in Kilometers per hour, not MPH. Formula one cars don't hit 210 from a standing start that quick and effortlessly.

I went back and timed it... less than 10 seconds from standing still til he said 210. No tire spin and it looked like he covered about a 1/4 mile which matches up pretty good with 130mph or so which makes more sense.

[This message has been edited by Scott-Wa (edited 12-15-2005).]

Under 10 seconds for a quarter mile but only going 130 at the end of it? The car takes 2.5 seconds to do 0-60... it seems a bit steep to say it would take three times that long to add another 60mph, especially with a thousand horsepower and nearly that much torque.

quote Originally posted by Spektyr: Under 10 seconds for a quarter mile but only going 130 at the end of it? The car takes 2.5 seconds to do 0-60... it seems a bit steep to say it would take three times that long to add another 60mph, especially with a thousand horsepower and nearly that much torque.

shoot the thing will get to 250 mph from a stand still in less than a minute.

I wonder what those brakes would look like on a fiero

How typical is this for a car manufacturer? You wait and wait for the model to come out and when it finally does, it's underpowered. Then you have to wait a couple years for them to get the right powered engine in it.

http://www.bugatti-cars.de/bugatti/index.html

Takes a little digging, but they have a bunch of movies that show how it works.

nice movies and what a piece of machinary that the Veyron is..

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