In Alabama you have to take any vehicle not previously regestered in the state to the DMV for them to inspect it before you can get a tag. I was on my way to the DMV - FIVE blocks away - when I got a ticket for "expired tag". So I go to court. First, I was the LAST to be called. In fact the judge did not even call me, he asked if there was anybody else that had not been called, & I raised my hand. This was after he had cleared ALL the people who were pleading guilty, the convicts in shackles, then the folks pleading not guilty (whom best I could tell all had to pay a fine anyway!). When I raised my hand he asked me to come up, & asked my name. He found the paperwork, & asked me why I was there. I told him "The Fort Payne police department does not know the state law.". Me: (handing copies to the judge) "Here is a copy of the Ohio title and the bill of sale I presented to the officer. And here is a printout of the Alabama DMV website..." Judge: (interupting me) " I don't want to see no goddamn website!" Me: (pointing to hi-lighted text on the page) "But it's the Alabama Department of Motor Vehicles website showing that I'm required to take the car to them for inspection before they'll issue a tag." Judge: (not even looking) "I don't care." "Do you have the registration?" Me: "Yes here is the tag receipt & title application dated the same day." Judge: (looking at the bill of sale) How long had you owned the vehilce?" Me: Well when I bought it, it was in Ohio, and it took about 6 weeks before I took delivery..." Judge: (interupting me again) Well you have 30 days to get a tag so you're guilty!" Me: "How am I supposed to take a vehicle to the DMV to get it inspected when I don't even have it yet?" Judge: "That is not my problem!" So once again (FOR THE THIRD ****ING TIME!) I've been DENIED DUE PROCESS!!! Not allowed to present my case/evidence, & had to PAY A ****ING FINE when I was COMPLETELY following the law!!! And cops wonder why they get shot when they pull someone over. If the next cop that pulls me over has no legal reason, and/or gives me any **** , I'll show them EXACTLY how I feel too!!!!
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In Alabama you have to take any vehicle not previously regestered in the state to the DMV for them to inspect it before you can get a tag. I was on my way to the DMV - FIVE blocks away - when I got a ticket for "expired tag". So I go to court. First, I was the LAST to be called. In fact the judge did not even call me, he asked if there was anybody else that had not been called, & I raised my hand. This was after he had cleared ALL the people who were pleading guilty, the convicts in shackles, then the folks pleading not guilty (whom best I could tell all had to pay a fine anyway!). When I raised my hand he asked me to come up, & asked my name. He found the paperwork, & asked me why I was there. I told him "The Fort Payne police department does not know the state law.". Me: (handing copies to the judge) "Here is a copy of the Ohio title and the bill of sale I presented to the officer. And here is a printout of the Alabama DMV website..." Judge: (interupting me) " I don't want to see no goddamn website!" Me: (pointing to hi-lighted text on the page) "But it's the Alabama Department of Motor Vehicles website showing that I'm required to take the car to them for inspection before they'll issue a tag." Judge: (not even looking) "I don't care." "Do you have the registration?" Me: "Yes here is the tag receipt & title application dated the same day." Judge: (looking at the bill of sale) How long had you owned the vehilce?" Me: Well when I bought it, it was in Ohio, and it took about 6 weeks before I took delivery..." Judge: (interupting me again) Well you have 30 days to get a tag so you're guilty!" Me: "How am I supposed to take a vehicle to the DMV to get it inspected when I don't even have it yet?" Judge: "That is not my problem!" So once again (FOR THE THIRD ****ING TIME!) I've been DENIED DUE PROCESS!!! Not allowed to present my case/evidence, & had to PAY A ****ING FINE when I was COMPLETELY following the law!!! And cops wonder why they get shot when they pull someone over. If the next cop that pulls me over has no legal reason, and/or gives me any **** , I'll show them EXACTLY how I feel too!!!!
I can be really tough sometime's when you live in an area of enforcement (revenue!)
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Originally posted by Tha Driver:
And cops wonder why they get shot when they pull someone over. If the next cop that pulls me over has no legal reason, and/or gives me any **** , I'll show them EXACTLY how I feel too!!!!
I agreed with everything else but that was out of hand don't you think? What if someone shot at you for doing your job? Your just having a bad day huh? Drink a beer and roll with the punches!
You were allowed to present your case. You obviously weren't following the law if things were expired.
Its pretty disgusting that you think because you didn't do something right its the reason why cops get shot when they pull people like you over who obviously are breaking a law. You show them how you feel tough guy. I'm sure you will piss and moan like a little girl then too when they arrest you for disorderly conduct saying you didn't break any law.
I agreed with everything else but that was out of hand don't you think? What if someone shot at you for doing your job? Your just having a bad day huh? Drink a beer and roll with the punches!
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No, I'm having a BAD LIFE!!! I DON"T DRINK - yet! I'm down to the ****ing BONE from road rash from "rolling with the punches"! Yes I COULD appeal, if i was RICH & had the money to hire a lawyer!!!
You were allowed to present your case. You obviously weren't following the law if things were expired.
Its pretty disgusting that you think because you didn't do something right its the reason why cops get shot when they pull people like you over who obviously are breaking a law. You show them how you feel tough guy. I'm sure you will piss and moan like a little girl then too when they arrest you for disorderly conduct saying you didn't break any law.
No one is screwing you over but your self.
I was NOT allowed to present the EVIDENCE that the STATE required me to take the car to the DMV for inspection BEFORE they will issue a tag!!! HOW THE **** am I supposed to get the tag ON THE CAR I JUST BOUGHT BEFORE going to the DMV to get it inspected, WHEN THE STATE LAW REQUIRES ME TO TAKE IT TO THEM FOR INSPECTION IN ORDER TO GET A TAG!!!???!!! Piss off franc. You're dumb as a rock if you can't see how I've been ****ed YET AGAIN. And, they won't be taking me to jail. I'll die in a ****ing shootout before that happens - & I'll take as many of the BASTARDS with me that I can! I'm ****ING SICK & TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT!
I was NOT allowed to present the EVIDENCE that the STATE required me to take the car to the DMV for inspection BEFORE they will issue a tag!!! HOW THE **** am I supposed to get the tag ON THE CAR I JUST BOUGHT BEFORE going to the DMV to get it inspected, WHEN THE STATE LAW REQUIRES ME TO TAKE IT TO THEM FOR INSPECTION IN ORDER TO GET A TAG!!!???!!! Piss off franc. You're dumb as a rock if you can't see how I've been ****ed YET AGAIN. And, they won't be taking me to jail. I'll die in a ****ing shootout before that happens - & I'll take as many of the BASTARDS with me that I can! I'm ****ING SICK & TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT!
You could have used a tow truck but instead you didn't and broke a law. Its your own fault. The judge saw it. I'm the dumb one but you broke a law and aren't man enough to admit it so you blame every one else for when you screw your self.
You are such a tough guy aren't you? Bragging about how you are going down shooting? Instead of taking down innocent people because you have screwed your self in life just take your self out. Just because you screw your self doesn't mean you have to screw other peoples lives. Yeah you are a real hard dude.
You screwed your self. You did it. Not any ones fault but yours.
I was NOT allowed to present the EVIDENCE that the STATE required me to take the car to the DMV for inspection BEFORE they will issue a tag!!! HOW THE **** am I supposed to get the tag ON THE CAR I JUST BOUGHT BEFORE going to the DMV to get it inspected, WHEN THE STATE LAW REQUIRES ME TO TAKE IT TO THEM FOR INSPECTION IN ORDER TO GET A TAG!!!???!!! Piss off franc. You're dumb as a rock if you can't see how I've been ****ed YET AGAIN. And, they won't be taking me to jail. I'll die in a ****ing shootout before that happens - & I'll take as many of the BASTARDS with me that I can! I'm ****ING SICK & TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT!
TOW TRUCK
This is the part where you start talking about how little you have. Its an American tradition to live beyond our means. Can't you afford a tow truck 5 blocks?? Appeals can be free if you can prove a hardship, right?
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Here's a thought - don't be a jackass to the judge, even if you think you're right. Telling the judge the police don't know the law immediately told him you were a punk and he would look for any reason possible to put the screws to you. If you'd simply explained the officer ticketed you for no tags, but you were acting to your best knowledge how you needed to proceed according to the law you ready on the website. It might not have mattered, but taking an attitude as soon as you open your mouth will remove any slack the judge might have been willing to give you.
If you can't control your temper in court - hire a lawyer to do the talking for you.
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Doug85GT Member
Posts: 9704 From: Sacramento CA USA Registered: May 2003
I don't know about your state, but California DMV will issue a 30 day temporary registration tag so that we can take care of things such as smog tests and inspections at the DMV. It can be extended if you ask nicely.
A lot of people are not aware of that service but as any cop will tell you, ignorance of the law is no defense.
I do feel for you though. That judge was having a long and bad day and it looks like he took it out on you. If your judges are elected like ours are, then the best thing you can do is vote that SOB out of office. Get his name and create fliers and put them all over your town the next time he is up for re-election.
This is the part where you start talking about how little you have. Its an American tradition to live beyond our means. Can't you afford a tow truck 5 blocks?? Appeals can be free if you can prove a hardship, right?
Yeah, I'm living beyond my means! A few years ago ****ing THEIVES stole nearly everything I had worked for in the previous 15 years. I had a nice little 3 bedroom house that my parents & I had built, but it was 700 ft. off of the road & no visible neighbors. They found out no one was home during the day, & cleaned me out. The cops did NOTHING! (filed a report) The detective didn't even follow up on the leads we gave them. Turned out about 6 months later one of the guys was in jail in the next county for FOURTY-FOUR counts of burglary, & was wanted in another county AND in another state on the same charges! Wonder how many of those folks' homes would not have been robbed if the detective in my case had done his job? I had to sell that home. I built the "place" I have now with the equity. It's an UNINSULATED 30x40 metal shop with an UNINSULATED 16x16 room that I live in built up in one corner. It gets to 92+ degrees in here in the afternoon with the little AC running 24/7. I don't have a well, so I have to catch rain water off of the roof to take showers. I can't work full time because of back & knee problems (mostly - but there's a lot more pain involved too), from doing body & frame work for 35+ years. I work as much as I can &, even though I don't have any house payments, it's a real struggle just to make it through each day. Yeah I'm living WAY beyond my means!!! I've been DENIED DUE PROCESS in court THREE times now! Do they think I can take much more??? Do I have very much to loose? It's depressing enough to have lost 15 years of my life (including the 300 CDs that I had collected!) to ****ing THEIVES - & not have the ****ing COPS do a DAMN thing; but then to have to live like this & on top of all that put up with those GREEDY BASTARD'S **** too? I really am on the very edge... I'll change my attitude when they start doing their job, & quit breakling the law themselves (like that's ever gonna' happen!).
Well the car was 200 miles away. Have ANY idea how much a tow truck would cost for that? No, appeals are never free. You have to spend the time, & if you want different results then you have to hire a lawyer. Then, in this corrupt city/state/country, you'll STILL be found guilty & have to pay the fine ANYWAY in ADDITION to the lawyer's fees. There's NO WAY a poor man can get justice!
I would have taken the Ohio tags off to drive it to the dmv since Alabama doesn't issue temp tags for new/used car purchase. no tags seem to be less hassel than expired tags from years ago. They removed the expired virginia tags from my fiero before I took it home from the fiero factory and then to the dmv in huntsville the next day. But sounds like the judge was having a bad day and taking ito out on anyone cause he could.
Here's a thought - don't be a jackass to the judge, even if you think you're right. Telling the judge the police don't know the law immediately told him you were a punk and he would look for any reason possible to put the screws to you. If you'd simply explained the officer ticketed you for no tags, but you were acting to your best knowledge how you needed to proceed according to the law you ready on the website. It might not have mattered, but taking an attitude as soon as you open your mouth will remove any slack the judge might have been willing to give you.
If you can't control your temper in court - hire a lawyer to do the talking for you.
There was no temper involved. I spoke calm & collected all the way up the point where I asked how I was supposed to get the vehicle inspected when I don't even have it yet - & then only barely raised my voice. I was presenting facts. Isn't that what you're SUPPOSED to do in court??? Don't assume I was a jackass when I wasn't!
I would have taken the Ohio tags off to drive it to the dmv since Alabama doesn't issue temp tags for new/used car purchase. no tags seem to be less hassel than expired tags from years ago. They removed the expired virginia tags from my fiero before I took it home from the fiero factory and then to the dmv in huntsville the next day. But sounds like the judge was having a bad day and taking ito out on anyone cause he could.
I had taken off the Ohio tags, & put on the tag from the last car I sold over a year ago. In Alabama, you keep the tag when you sell ta car & put it on the next vehicle you buy. Once again: I was doing EVERYTHING strictly BY THE LAW! Edited for spelling
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CoryFiero Member
Posts: 4341 From: Charleston, SC Registered: Oct 2001
I don't know about your state, but California DMV will issue a 30 day temporary registration tag so that we can take care of things such as smog tests and inspections at the DMV. It can be extended if you ask nicely.
A lot of people are not aware of that service but as any cop will tell you, ignorance of the law is no defense.
I do feel for you though. That judge was having a long and bad day and it looks like he took it out on you. If your judges are elected like ours are, then the best thing you can do is vote that SOB out of office. Get his name and create fliers and put them all over your town the next time he is up for re-election.
There are no temporay tags issued. You buy a car from out of state, & you have to take it to the DMV for inspection before they'll issue a tag. Actually the judge was having a great day. He made everyone pay a fine, & that probably netted him about $20,000 for the day's work. He was in a good mood. Just a greedy bastard ***hole . I'm not going to worry about that. I'll be moving permanately out of Alabama - the state & particuliarly Ft. Payne will never see another dollar of my money. This after I've been trying to pump all that I could into that economy since before I bought my property there in '89.
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Fierobsessed Member
Posts: 4782 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 2001
Well I'm old, can't half see, & not using any spell check. I'm also so pissed off I can't see or think straight at this time. It's not the best state of mind for checking your own spelling....
So, you had 30 days from the day of purchase, not the day of delivery. Face it, you were guilty. It's not the DMV's fault or the cops fault that it took you longer than 30 days to receive the car. Just pay the fine and learn your lesson.
I hate things like that. Sounds like he was having a bad day.
Was he like this for anyone else?
Re-read the original post. I don't think a single person got out of there without paying a fine. Court is a REAL cash cow for these CORRUPT city (& county) governments!
So, you had 30 days from the day of purchase, not the day of delivery. Face it, you were guilty. It's not the DMV's fault or the cops fault that it took you longer than 30 days to receive the car. Just pay the fine and learn your lesson.
L8r,
Kevin
So: what would you have done? Just not tagged the car & therefore never driven it? Let it sit for a number of months or years untill you decided to sell it? Edit: STATE LAW IS STATE LAW! Local jusidictions are not allowed BY LAW to give out tickets when you are in compliance with STATE LAW. Of course, they don't CARE about the LAW & in fact think they ARE the law!
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
There was no temper involved. I spoke calm & collected all the way up the point where I asked how I was supposed to get the vehicle inspected when I don't even have it yet - & then only barely raised my voice. I was presenting facts. Isn't that what you're SUPPOSED to do in court??? Don't assume I was a jackass when I wasn't!
I assumed nothing. By your own admission you told the judge:
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Originally posted by Tha Driver: "The Fort Payne police department does not know the state law."
As soon as those words came out of your mouth, regardless of how politely you said them, you lost your case.
Jeans and a tshirt get some judges pissed off automatically.
I had on my best shirt & my best jeans. The shirt is about a $40 - $50 shirt that I picked up at the local thrift shop (very nice!), & I don't OWN anything but jeans! Other than a couple lawyers, I was the best dressed person there.
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
I'm beginning to see that this how you begin ALL of your relationships.
You know todd, you do & say a lot of things on here that almost makes me like you. But since you BEGAN our relationship by calling ME a bastard, pinhead, & some other name, I already know what a jackass you are. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/087545.html
So: what would you have done? Just not tagged the car & therefore never driven it?
Tow Truck.
But you are right. I reread everything and it's not your fault at all. Its every ones fault but yours. Its the states legislative session who made the laws. Its the cops fault for enforcing the law. And its the judges fault for not letting you get away with breaking the law. Hell it's even the tow truck companies fault for not giving you a free tow.
But you are right. I reread everything and it's not your fault at all. Its every ones fault but yours. Its the states legislative session who made the laws. Its the cops fault for enforcing the law. And its the judges fault for not letting you get away with breaking the law. Hell it's even the tow truck companies fault for not giving you a free tow.
I NEVER post on this forum but I read ALOT OF IT. I hate to say I agree with PHRANC! BUT WHEN YOUR RIGHT, YOUR RIGHT! ^^^^^What I said too^^^^^^
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
But you are right. I reread everything and it's not your fault at all. Its every ones fault but yours. Its the states legislative session who made the laws. Its the cops fault for enforcing the law. And its the judges fault for not letting you get away with breaking the law. Hell it's even the tow truck companies fault for not giving you a free tow.
i agree, working in the auto biz and dealing with shops, its funny how many times a shop tells me the customer failed inspections after geting a car towed in, dont wana pay for the work, and try and drive the car home... most let the police know before they even get off the lot, driving an unsafe, untaged, and probaly un-insured car home.
i get that you was trying to get to the shop, but everystate i know will issue a temp tage, be it 10, 15 or 30days, or you can tow, push(it was only 5blocks right?) or ask the shop if they have a transporter/dealer/inspection tag, after all, i belive roadtest is part of the standard inspection, maybe you coulda made a deal with them where they woulda picked it up being only 5blocks away...
You could have used a tow truck but instead you didn't and broke a law. Its your own fault. The judge saw it. I'm the dumb one but you broke a law and aren't man enough to admit it so you blame every one else for when you screw your self.
You are such a tough guy aren't you? Bragging about how you are going down shooting? Instead of taking down innocent people because you have screwed your self in life just take your self out. Just because you screw your self doesn't mean you have to screw other peoples lives. Yeah you are a real hard dude.
You screwed your self. You did it. Not any ones fault but yours.
I think here you can schedule to have county sheriff come and inspect the car on your property.
Few people do and just drive it there, and I've not heard heard of anyone getting a ticket on the way to the BMV with papers in hand, but technically, it can happen.
You know todd, you do & say a lot of things on here that almost makes me like you. But since you BEGAN our relationship by calling ME a bastard, pinhead, & some other name, I already know what a jackass you are. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/087545.html
I've been pulled over a dozen times in the last decade.
3 citations, 8 warnings (one just last week), Zero convictions
....because I know how to talk respectfully to people
Yes, we do indeed know who the jackass is.
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Nazareth Member
Posts: 730 From: morristown, TN Registered: Aug 2003
They are all out to get you!!!! This is what the 3rd whining a$$ thread you've done in recent months?... perhaps the problem is not "the system" but YOU.. All the edited out words in your post kind of defines your attitude No wonder you keep losing. Thats what losers do. Maybe you should do some shooting... and drinking.. play with a rabid badger or something else fun. You lose because you choose to lose ... anyone not willing to make the effort to improve their station in life simply gets what they deserve...
i agree, working in the auto biz and dealing with shops, its funny how many times a shop tells me the customer failed inspections after geting a car towed in, dont wana pay for the work, and try and drive the car home... most let the police know before they even get off the lot, driving an unsafe, untaged, and probaly un-insured car home.
i get that you was trying to get to the shop, but everystate i know will issue a temp tage, be it 10, 15 or 30days, or you can tow, push(it was only 5blocks right?) or ask the shop if they have a transporter/dealer/inspection tag, after all, i belive roadtest is part of the standard inspection, maybe you coulda made a deal with them where they woulda picked it up being only 5blocks away...
Jesus Christ! Get it STRAIGHT: I WAS TAKING THE CAR TO THE DMV TO GET IT INSPECTED & GET THE TITLE TRANFERED & GET THE TAG!!! Iwas 5 blocks away WHEN I GOT THE TICKET - NOT from where I store my cars. There was NO SHOP INVOLVED! They inspect it AT THE DMV.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Ok, I understand your predicament now. No one in Alabama can have a car. That must be it. No one has ever been able to buy and register a car because you have to have tags to drive it and you can't drive it to the DMV without tags.
That must be why I see so many people on horseback on the boulevard in Montgomery.
A few years ago ****ing THEIVES stole nearly everything I had worked for in the previous 15 years. I had a nice little 3 bedroom house that my parents & I had built, but it was 700 ft. off of the road & no visible neighbors. They found out no one was home during the day, & cleaned me out. The cops did NOTHING! (filed a report) The detective didn't even follow up on the leads we gave them. Turned out about 6 months later one of the guys was in jail in the next county for FOURTY-FOUR counts of burglary, & was wanted in another county AND in another state on the same charges! Wonder how many of those folks' homes would not have been robbed if the detective in my case had done his job? 
