Family of gay teen slain in Calif. blames school
Allowing boy to wear makeup and feminine clothes led to death, they say

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26218530

VENTURA, Calif. - The family of a gay teenager who was fatally shot in class blames the school district for allowing their son to wear makeup and feminine clothing to school — factors the family claims led to the death.

The parents and brother of 15-year-old Larry King of Oxnard filed a personal injury claim against the Hueneme school district seeking unspecified damages for not enforcing the dress code.

King, an eighth-grader at E.O. Green Junior High School, was shot in February. Classmate Brandon McInerney pleaded not guilty to the shooting last week. He was charged as an adult and also faces a charge of a committing a hate crime.

The family's claim, filed last week in Ventura County Superior Court, said administrators and teachers failed to enforce the school's dress code when King wore feminine clothing and makeup to school.

His parents, Dawn and Gregory King, said faculty members knew their son had "unique vulnerabilities" and was subject to abuse because of his sexual orientation.

A call for comment to district Superintendent Jerry Dannenberg was not immediately returned.

State law requires individuals to file a claim before proceeding with a lawsuit against a public agency.
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Interesting, it's always someone else's fault.

Schools have been battled and sued all over the place for trying to enforce dress codes, now this.

Ron

Ah, the SCHOOL allowed the kid to wear make-up, but the PARENTS had nothing to do with it?

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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: It's sad that being gay is still a cause for being murdered in 2008 in the United States. Who to blame? The murderers, of course. And the parents of the murderers who instilled into their children the values of hate, intolerance, and disrespect of life. JazzMan

James,
While I agree that murdering anyone is wrong, the issue in this situation is that the parents are now blaming the school for not enforcing the dress code. If the school had enforced the dress code, (which I would have been in favor of) then they probably have been sued for some kind of discrimination.

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... wtf... blame the schools? Sorry but if they had said NO to him wearing make up, im sure he would have sued for sexual descrimination or some BS like that.. (idk what you could really sue for, thats just the first thing that popped into myhead :S ) Sorry, but its not the schools fault that murderer did what he did.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: ... then they probably have been sued for some kind of discrimination.

By those same parents.

This is stupid that the parents are suing the school. If they want to sue anyone, they should sue the parents of the murderer. Even then, it is a stretch.

As far as the murderer goes, I hope they throw him in jail for life.

quote Originally posted by kawana: ... wtf... blame the schools? Sorry but if they had said NO to him wearing make up, im sure he would have sued for sexual descrimination or some BS like that.. (idk what you could really sue for, thats just the first thing that popped into myhead :S ) Sorry, but its not the schools fault that murderer did what he did.

THIS is truly a WTF situation. Kawana is dead on here. If that same kid was NOT allowed to wear his make up or whatever, they would have sued over that...

quote Originally posted by FieroFanatic13: THIS is truly a WTF situation. Kawana is dead on here. If that same kid was NOT allowed to wear his make up or whatever, they would have sued over that...

You're damn right they would.

My point isn't about "gay" anything, this is about misplaced responsibility and our litigious society.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: It's sad that being gay is still a cause for being murdered in 2008 in the United States. Who to blame? The murderers, of course. And the parents of the murderers who instilled into their children the values of hate, intolerance, and disrespect of life. JazzMan

Reeeaaallly? Your a very prejudice person. Glad to see it doesn't just stop at conservatives though, an equal opportunity bigot. If you do not agree, than simply state why you think the parents of the murderer are responsible for instilling the hate fo queers, other than pure conjecture on your part.

I blame the kid who got killed. If he wasn't an ebil ghey he wouldn't have been killed. Its just like girls in miniskirts are to blame when they get raped.

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quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Reeeaaallly? Your a very prejudice person. Glad to see it doesn't just stop at conservatives though, an equal opportunity bigot. If you do not agree, than simply state why you think the parents of the murderer are responsible for instilling the hate fo queers, other than pure conjecture on your part.

Ummm...
What?!
Jazz may be a lot of different things to a lot of different people, but "bigot" is a real stretch, no matter how you look at it.

We have an old saying, in the south, that goes, "The nut don't fall far from the tree."
I've seen it borne out time after time.

Most people (like it or not) get their values from their parents. Consciously or subconsciously.
Either that, or they find their parents' values so revolting that they go a complete 180. Somehow, I don't think that's what happened here.

But whatever... the people who did the crime are ultimately responsible.
Doesn't mean that the kids parents won't sue anything that moves, and see what shakes out.

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: What?! Jazz may be a lot of different things to a lot of different people, but "bigot" is a real stretch, no matter how you look at it.

I have to agree with Radar on this one, James and I don't agree on a lot of things but, I've never heard, read or seen anything to make me think he hates anyone. Well, except conservatives like me.

Ron

quote The parents and brother of 15-year-old Larry King of Oxnard filed a personal injury claim against the Hueneme school district seeking unspecified damages for not enforcing the dress code.

Umm.... This sentence right here strikes me as utterly and completely disturbing. So there is apparently some sort of code or clause in this school in Ventura, California that explicitly says that a person who is homosexual cannot wear clothing that is of the other sex that they are not born into?!?!?!? I have NEVER heard of something as drastic as that being written (( maybe that's not what their dress code specifically says, but that is EXACTLY what they're implying )) in any form of dress code for a school - and I live in the bible belt of the South.

I mean does anyone else not just find that completely wrong?!?!? I'm heterosexual, and find that just appalling. I guess are they trying to claim that him dressing as a female is similar to 'disturbance' dress code that is often enforced (i.e.: skimpy clothing, sagging pants, etc). I don't see how it could be in the same boat as that if he was simply wearing clothing that a normal female would wear.

Wow... our country yet again never ceases to amaze me.

quote Originally posted by Fiero84Freak: Umm.... This sentence right here strikes me as utterly and completely disturbing. So there is apparently some sort of code or clause in this school in Ventura, California that explicitly says that a person who is homosexual cannot wear clothing that is of the other sex that they are not born into?!?!?!? I have NEVER heard of something as drastic as that being written (( maybe that's not what their dress code specifically says, but that is EXACTLY what they're implying )) in any form of dress code for a school - and I live in the bible belt of the South. I mean does anyone else not just find that completely wrong?!?!? I'm heterosexual, and find that just appalling. I guess are they trying to claim that him dressing as a female is similar to 'disturbance' dress code that is often enforced (i.e.: skimpy clothing, sagging pants, etc). I don't see how it could be in the same boat as that if he was simply wearing clothing that a normal female would wear. Wow... our country yet again never ceases to amaze me.

The code probable does state that students can not were cloths that will disturb the class. A boy in a dress will disturb the class.

quote Originally posted by Fiero84Freak: Wow... our country yet again never ceases to amaze me.

Some people think socialism is only about money and wealth. It's also about social engineering. It includes conformity.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Some people think socialism is only about money and wealth. It's also about social engineering. It includes conformity.

I thought it was about the people and how to manage them.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I thought it was about the people and how to manage them.

Yeah , he just said that. You must be making a very dry joke.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: As the parent of two (now grown) teens, I know that they can be sneaky. Heck, we all tried to get away with stuff we knew our parents would not have approved of. But, good parenting requires the parents to be one step ahead. It didn't bother me or my wife to open up a back pack every now and then to see what besides books and home work were going to school. Been through more than one bed stripping and closet search. If the kids know you're serious and that they are responsible for their actions, they will tow the line. It would appear these parents would rather have the school raise their son. Bad mistake. Ron

I always get a chuckle whenever I hear about a teen living at home crying about his privacy rights were violated. Listening in on teen phone conversations were fair game at my house too.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Now you're calling me prejudiced? A bigot? The people who know me know otherwise. In fact, I don't get bigotry and racism; to me, it's a mental defect suffered by you so-called neurotypicals. Or it's subhuman thinking based on fear of other, a basic animal instinct that so many fail to rise above to become human. It's sad that because you disagree with my political views that you feel the need to post lies and slander, or is it libel? My friends know you to be a liar. You're not my friend, and that's good enough for me. JazzMan

THE prejudice part is proved once again by your response to me in this thread along with your constant labeling of conservatives, CEO's and anyone else you disagree with etc.. in your posts here on PFF. Your friends know me to be a liar? well fuuck you, prove it. Slander? hahahaha calling a dog a dog is not slander and the truth should not be offensive, embarrassing maybe.


Definition of bigot, read it and learn.
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"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman."
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Sorry but you fit that bill. Most leftist liberals do but will never admit it, just as alcoholics rarely admit they are alcoholics.

Again I ask simply?.

If you do not agree, than simply state why you think the parents of the murderer are responsible for instilling the hate of queers, other than pure knee jerk conjecture on your part.

I haven´t seen anywhere in any report, that he was killed BECAUSE he was homosexual? Are you all assuming that? or has the media leapt on the event, and conveniently linked the possibly totally unrelated aspects of the case, to make it sensational? They just LOVE to do things like that.
Makes so much better copy ( in THEIR OPINION, PERHAPS), than 'schoolboy shoots dead another schoolboy'. Dreadful as that is, perhaps the Media considered that sort of event to be 'old hat' now, having reported every possible sort of event that has tragically happened over the last few years. Media have no conscience, where sales and money are concerned
I wonder, if the printed story IS the truth, whether the School had already spoken to the parents of the boy who was shot, about his inappropriate cross-dressing habits when attending school? And if they did, did the parents refuse to do anything about it?. How things have changed. When I went to school, 45 years ago, you HAD to wear the school uniform, and any transgression was dealt with strictly at the time, and parents informed. Petty? I don´t think so. The idea of school uniform was to deal with any kind of repercussions that might arise, if people were allowed to choose their own style of clothing for wearing to school, just as has happened here.
The rich and the poor families of children could not gain or lose advantage by their style of dress. A basic equality was what was strived for, and it generally succeeded, IMHO. Even the girls schools enforced rules about not allowing the wearing of make-up or nail polish. Let alone the boys.
Edit to say: OK, I re-read the report, and it says he was also charged with a 'hate crime'. I wonder how many other 'homosexual' students attend the school, and didn´t get shot? Even better case for enforcing school dress and conduct rule, if there ARE others, and they remain unharmed?

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: James, While I agree that murdering anyone is wrong, the issue in this situation is that the parents are now blaming the school for not enforcing the dress code. If the school had enforced the dress code, (which I would have been in favor of) then they probably have been sued for some kind of discrimination.

THANK YOU. You KNOW that's what would have happened.

You just can't win.

(WHERE'S that damn asteroid, already?!?!?!)

quote Originally posted by FieroRumor: THANK YOU. You KNOW that's what would have happened. You just can't win. (WHERE'S that damn asteroid, already?!?!?!)

It's already happened in so many other places, maybe slightly different situations but, school boards can't control anything and yet parents expect the schools to raise their kids. Makes me wonder where our priorities are. Individual freedoms of expression are fine as long as mom and dad know that they are just as responsible for the actions of their kids as the kids are and within the rules of conduct and or appropriate for the situation.

Parenting, the toughest job you'll ever take on.

That is, if you give a rat's ass about your kid.

Ron

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Hmmm if this one gets through you guys better change a few lines of ya national anthem.

And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the healthy lawsuit.

What are the stupid parents thinking? They let him out of the house dressed like he does didn't they?

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The kid is murdered and the family is looking for a way to make some money off it, no surprise there. Would they sue if they knew any money won would be donated to a charity in their sons name? I doubt it.

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I proudly wear girl jeans everywhere, and I have not been shot yet... Must be because I only live in the second most dangerous city in the world. number one is a few miles to the south.

I would be willing to bet most of you (except the girls out there that know the differences) could not point out girl pants from guy pants, but still... how do you draw the line at feminine clothes? My local "hip fashion" store I go to now sells some very goofy looking NON feminine

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I proudly wear girl jeans everywhere,

Just....wow.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: How ironic, given how conservatives tend to viciously attack those who don't conform to their conservative "values". The more extreme the conservatism, the more extreme the attacks. JazzMan

How did you get out of tech? Get back where you belong. The people need you there.

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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: If I leave OT I leave the forum. And yes, I've been thinking about it. My life is too short to want to put up with being insulted like I have been lately by the far right nutjobs here. There's no particular reason that I should want to keep being subjected to it. JazzMan

How cute that you would b-itch about getting insulted then insult people by calling them nutjobs.

you cannot legislate me to like someone

but, of course - killing them is over the top. there is only one person to blame for the death, and that is the person who killed him.

and - next - I see NOTHING about the actual reason the kid was killed. For all we know it was actual self defense. Stupid news. Throw out all the "topic points" but no actual data.

and - I would really like to know what this boy could have possibly wore which did NOT fit in the dress code?? because as far as I know - the make-up can be MIGHTY thick & the clothing MIGHTY slutty before dress code warnings go off. are they allowed to discriminate between boys & girls or no? I thought no - they may NOT.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: How ironic, given how conservatives tend to viciously attack those who don't conform to their conservative "values". The more extreme the conservatism, the more extreme the attacks. JazzMan

Do you really think the " " after your posts alters their tone?

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quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I would be willing to bet most of you (except the girls out there that know the differences) could not point out girl pants from guy pants

I dont expect to find dicks in them