I am not sure whether to pity the loser for thinking he is in Jeri's league or to just laugh. I am not even in Jeri's league so this clod is not even on the same planet! I am not naming names. This arrogant self-righteous pile of dung knows who he is.
But the purpose of having email access is for people to converse, who WISH to converse. I don't mind if people email to ask about Fieros or for other forum related matters. I don't mind if close friends email for any reason. But for a total stranger to email Jeri, put me down in that email, and try to establish a dialog with her is pathetic. Typical of losers to think that the way to build themselves up is to tear others down. The problem is he is trying to tear down someone she loves so she was actually annoyed with the email. She showed it to me. She intends to make nothing of it. She is too much of a lady and does not even intend to respond. She doesn't post much here because she is more of a Facebook kinda gal for her social networking and she depends on me to keep her car in top shape.
If this person was just your average troll I might not even mention it but he has a history of confrontation (I know from personal experience) AND I have heard it rumored that he has administrative access to PFF which makes this abuse of forum etiquette even more distrubing.
I'll let the forum opinion carry the day. Is this in or out of bounds behavior? [This message has been edited by Toddster (edited 12-04-2010).]
Above is the statement Toddster used to start a thread.Below is my response because I am the person Todd is accusing of trolling and various other things.
First the E-mail and the response from Jeri in reverse order:
Hello, Thank you for writing, I'm well. I don't visit the website often due to my long work hours. I may not return due to the fact that Todd and I are not seeing each other anymore. Thank you for not having animosity toward me...as you don't have reason to. Have a nice holiday. Jeri
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
Hugh Lemma <hlemma@comcast.net> wrote:
This e-mail is for you alone.As you know,Todd is not my favorite person, but I have no animosity toward you.I hope all is well with you,I haven't seen you post on Pennock's for some time.Hugh Lemma
I had lots of things I was going to say in this thread,but I think the response from Toddster's ex girlfriend along with the way he started his thread shows him to be a very angry ,dishonest and vindictive person.These E-mails are unedited.This thread is to protect my reputation,as I have done nothing and eventually it would be common knowledge I wrote that mail and Toddster's thread would be all the readers would have to refer to.For those that don't know me,I'm 70 years old and live with my wife of 49 years on the other coast (NJ). I don't like the way Todd has questioned my or Cliff's integrity.If I had my way he would be gone. Toddster is an articulate and knowledgable man,unfortunately,that is all the good things I can say about him.
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Posts: 1426 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Registered: Jan 2004
Cliff has said time and time again that he is the ONLY one who has administrative access to the forums.. and he is the only one who will EVER have administrative access to the forums.
Your argument lost all weight and validity with that statement.
Cliff has said time and time again that he is the ONLY one who has administrative access to the forums.. and he is the only one who will EVER have administrative access to the forums.
Your argument lost all weight and validity with that statement.
Good day sir.
He didn't "say" that, I believe Tod did. (read up there)
Yeah, too much drama, though...
Some 'private' things should be kept to PM and EMail. And Block Email/ or stop chatting w/ people you don't like.
Never understood why some people seem to 'enjoy' having enemies, and actively feed the enemy relationship. Keep track of them, keep them alive in their head. More then they do their positive, happy relationships...
One solution is to ignore that person. Their comments, their threads. That's why I sorta mentioned having an "ignore" feature, so you just don't even know that person's around at all.
This situation will hopefully be dead soon.
nutshell: Ok, Two guys don't like each other, and there's a girl involved. Remove girl from equation - these two guys don't like each other (for whatever reason). So lets see if both can just play nice by not interacting w/ each other, by keeping their conversations private and mature enough to not troll each other, or poison threads with their bickering...
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Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
Posting a complaint on here won't solve anything. If you or anyone is being harassed in real life - call the police and file a complaint against them.
i realize the formatting is confusing, but Todd was the one making accusations of harassment.
Since Todd appears to have dropped the matter after being soundly chastised for his whining, either by choice or due to an administrative suspension, I don't see the need for this particular thread at this particular time. But I will continue to support Hugh and value his input as one of the best people I have had the good fortune to meet. That said, Cliff will likely close the thread.
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Wait... I didn't weigh in to Todd's thread, because I really didn't have anything to say.
Until now.
He was accusing you?! That's just insane.
DITTO!!!!
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She's a pleasant looking lady apparently in her 50's. I agree with Todd on that, she is out of his dumpy balding league.
Dumpy? BALDING?? FIFTIES???? You mean to tell me he's NOT a KID?? Honestly, all this time I thought Toddster was just another arrogant, self-inflated Gen X-er with his head firmly entrenched up his ass. It however sounds like he's WAAAYYY past the point where he should come off as one or expect people to arbitrarily absorb his abusive BS.
This revelation places him in a TOTALLY different light as far as I'm concerned. I've tried to tip-toe around my communications with him based on what I thought he was. But, NOW??
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Posts: 7980 From: baltimore, md Registered: May 2008
ok.. ill just end this here, can i get her phone #? shes too old for me, but hell, maybe itll make you shoot yourself if someone else hits it... then we wont have to listen to allthis ****ing whining.
just saying...
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Dumpy? BALDING?? FIFTIES???? You mean to tell me he's NOT a KID?? Honestly, all this time I thought Todd was just another arrogant, self-inflated Gen X-er with his head firmly entrenched up his ass. It however sounds like he's WAAAYYY past the point where he should come off as one or expect people to arbitrarily absorb his abusive BS.
This revelation places him in a TOTALLY different light as far as I'm concerned. I've tried to tip-toe around my communications with him based on what I thought he was. But, NOW??
This made me smile I have many friends in their 50's (and older), and have found that they too can still get their head up their ass. Sometimes the longer it has been wedged up there, the harder it is to get out!
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Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
Hugh, unfortunately your opening post is near impossible to understand, even for those of us who know exactly what it is you're referring to.
I appreciate the fact you're pissed off at this low-life, but seriously, Todd's not worth getting a coronary over. Take some solace in the fact that he's one of the most despised members in the history of PFF... and let him fade into obscurity.
I am not sure whether to pity the loser for thinking he is in Jeri's league or to just laugh. I am not even in Jeri's league so this clod is not even on the same planet! I am not naming names. This arrogant self-righteous pile of dung knows who he is.
But the purpose of having email access is for people to converse, who WISH to converse. I don't mind if people email to ask about Fieros or for other forum related matters. I don't mind if close friends email for any reason. But for a total stranger to email Jeri, put me down in that email, and try to establish a dialog with her is pathetic. Typical of losers to think that the way to build themselves up is to tear others down. The problem is he is trying to tear down someone she loves so she was actually annoyed with the email. She showed it to me. She intends to make nothing of it. She is too much of a lady and does not even intend to respond. She doesn't post much here because she is more of a Facebook kinda gal for her social networking and she depends on me to keep her car in top shape.
If this person was just your average troll I might not even mention it but he has a history of confrontation (I know from personal experience) AND I have heard it rumored that he has administrative access to PFF which makes this abuse of forum etiquette even more distrubing.
I'll let the forum opinion carry the day. Is this in or out of bounds behavior? [This message has been edited by Toddster (edited 12-04-2010).]
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Originally posted by hugh: Above is the statement Toddster used to start a thread.Below is my response because I am the person Todd is accusing of trolling and various other things.
First the E-mail. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
Hugh Lemma <hlemma@comcast.net> originally wrote to Jeri:
This e-mail is for you alone.As you know,Todd is not my favorite person, but I have no animosity toward you.I hope all is well with you,I haven't seen you post on Pennock's for some time.Hugh Lemma
(and the response from Jeri):
Hello, Thank you for writing, I'm well. I don't visit the website often due to my long work hours. I may not return due to the fact that Todd and I are not seeing each other anymore. Thank you for not having animosity toward me...as you don't have reason to. Have a nice holiday. Jeri
(end of email)
I had lots of things I was going to say in this thread,but I think the response from Toddster's ex girlfriend along with the way he started his thread shows him to be a very angry ,dishonest and vindictive person.These E-mails are unedited.This thread is to protect my reputation,as I have done nothing and eventually it would be common knowledge I wrote that mail and Toddster's thread would be all the readers would have to refer to.For those that don't know me,I'm 70 years old and live with my wife of 49 years on the other coast (NJ). I don't like the way Todd has questioned my or Cliff's integrity.If I had my way he would be gone. Toddster is an articulate and knowledgable man,unfortunately,that is all the good things I can say about him.
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I am not sure whether to pity the loser for thinking he is in Jeri's league or to just laugh. I am not even in Jeri's league so this clod is not even on the same planet! I am not naming names. This arrogant self-righteous pile of dung knows who he is.
Never heard about any of this drama between you, him, and his ex-wife / girlfriend?
Probably would have been better to not have posted this at all. I would have judged you on your immaculate green bar... hahah... not on this crazy post.
This is the internet, I don't know why people get so crazy about this kind of stuff.
Well, it's hardly the first stone... there have been MANY MANY stones cast since.
I am aggressive, but when I close the browser, I think about boobies, cars, responsibilities... whatever. Not what someone sad to me on a message board.
Ooooooooookay. This certainly qualifies as one of the top ten weirdest threads I've ever seen. For a second there I thought I was watching the neo-tards play tag on Sodahead again.
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Posts: 36740 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... when I close the browser, I think about boobies, cars, responsibilities... whatever. Not what someone sad to me on a message board.
Might I suggest that you also think about the same things while your browser is open ?
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This will probably be my last post on this thread. If you read my E-mail to Jeri,how is the response from Toddster(who was not the recipient) justified? If this was in response to you innocently sending this E-mail,how would you respond,honestly? Wether you choose to believe it was sent innocently or not is up to you as an individual. Integrity is very important to me ! Thanks to Don (Maryjane) for straightening out my first post and printing it as I should have. Thank you to all that posted.
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This e-mail is for you alone.As you know,Todd is not my favorite person, but I have no animosity toward you.I hope all is well with you,I haven't seen you post on Pennock's for some time.Hugh Lemma
With all due respect, Hugh, what were you thinking??? How would you expect any good to come of this? I agree that Todd overreacted, predictably enough, but ....
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Originally posted by toddster:
... he is trying to tear down someone she loves ...
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... Todd and I are not seeing each other anymore.
Jeri
If this is a true quote from Jeri, it introduces a sad and (to me) rather creepy element into an already-bizarre episode.
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I have many friends in their 50's (and older), and have found that they too can still get their head up their ass. Sometimes the longer it has been wedged up there, the harder it is to get out!
