well, not really - just some horse crap to show the ignorance of another thread of simaler name.
Let us start with the obvious. The Klu Klux Klan. A conservative group. Seeking the "good 'ol days". Does not get much more conservative then that, does it? Well, actually, yes it does. There is the Taliban. Now thems some conservative thinkers there, eh? But, these are groups. How's about some indivduals? Well, a good current example, right from this weeks news: Scott Roeder. Who is That? That is a man, who entered a church, and shot the abortion guy. Yes, the abortion church shooting guy is a conservative. The guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center. They were conservatives. Timothy McVeigh, a registered republican, also a conservative. Westley Allen Dodd - a child serial killer & child molester - a repulican & conservative. Jeffrey Dahmer - yes - also a conservative.
anyways - again - this is just to show the ignorance of the other thread of simaler name. if your whole world is broken into two groups - liberals and conservatives - you are a fool.
if you listen to these threads - what you come away with is liberals are ignorant weenies, and conservatives are psycho killers.
but reality is: never mind - think for yourself. dont drink the cool-aid. of either flavor.
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Exteremism on either side is rather ugly. You can pick the worst from each side, and make that side look awful, but the truth is--the "reality" you lately have become fond of referring to--is that neither side is normally as extreme as the examples you mentioned. Liberals in general aren't Berkley types or Patti Hursts. Most of us conservatives cringe at some of things Limbaugh says.
btw, you left Abe Lincoln off your list of famous or infamous conservatives, but that would detract from the sensationalist nature of the thread.
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Originally posted by maryjane: Exteremism on either side is rather ugly. You can pick the worst from each side, and make that side look awful, but the truth is--the "reality" you lately have become fond of referring to--is that neither side is normally as extreme as the examples you mentioned. Liberals in general aren't Berkley types or Patti Hursts. Most of us conservatives cringe at some of things Limbaugh says.
btw, you left Abe Lincoln off your list of famous or infamous conservatives, but that would detract from the sensationalist nature of the thread.
exactly. and - left out the Lee Harvey Oswald too yes, the lists on both sides are endless. remember the Hitler is Left thread? this is just in response to the ignorance of the other thread of simaler name. because this stereotyping is IGNORANT. to do blanket dismissals purely on "liberal/conservative", and not on the actual item in question is STUPID. and, I am just trying to highlite the stupidity.
well, not really - just some horse crap to show the ignorance of another thread of simaler name.
Let us start with the obvious. The Klu Klux Klan. A conservative group. Seeking the "good 'ol days". Does not get much more conservative then that, does it? Well, actually, yes it does. There is the Taliban. Now thems some conservative thinkers there, eh? But, these are groups. How's about some indivduals? Well, a good current example, right from this weeks news: Scott Roeder. Who is That? That is a man, who entered a church, and shot the abortion guy. Yes, the abortion church shooting guy is a conservative. The guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center. They were conservatives. Timothy McVeigh, a registered republican, also a conservative. Westley Allen Dodd - a child serial killer & child molester - a repulican & conservative. Jeffrey Dahmer - yes - also a conservative.
anyways - again - this is just to show the ignorance of the other thread of simaler name. if your whole world is broken into two groups - liberals and conservatives - you are a fool.
if you listen to these threads - what you come away with is liberals are ignorant weenies, and conservatives are psycho killers.
but reality is: never mind - think for yourself. dont drink the cool-aid. of either flavor.
Dude, the KKK is not a "Conservative" group. They are liberal in their hate towards blacks and other faiths. Besides, if we're assigning political roles... the KKK has almost always been Democrat. Senator Byrd was the former grand master of the KKK, and he's a current sitting Senator. The civil rights act (the prominent one) passed because of Republican vote. Far fewer Democrats voted for it than Republicans did. As a matter of fact, the MAJORITY of Republicans voted for it, as a posed to most Democrats who voted against it. All of the civil rights acts in history have been passed by Republican presidents, or under Republican majority senates. Dwight Eisenhower was a huge proponent for civil rights. He passed the first education desegregation act, and used the US military to standard guard at colleges to permit them to go to college. Most of the racists were Democrats, for example Al Gore's father voted against both civil rights acts, as did most high profile Democrats of the time. (you can look up everything I just said). With the exception of the Kennedy family, the Democrat party was primarily racist.
So, your comments are absurd.
By the way, it's THAN, not THEN. It's a pet peeve of mine when people don't know the difference between THEN and THAN.
You are more racist THAN I am. You made fun of the Jewish person, THEN made fun of the black person.
Prejudice and hate is often dressed up in religion. It does not mean it is legitimately Christian though.
The "Christian Democrat" party for instance, can't be seen as actually Christian.
So we have many different religions, including Christianity, that are used as fronts for hate mongers and racists. If you start going around the world you'll see everything from Shikism to Judaism, to Islam to Chrisianity and on and on as pretences for the extreme views of racists and bigots from all sides.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: You've kind of got it wrong Pyrthian.
Prejudice and hate is often dressed up in religion. It does not mean it is legitimately Christian though.
The "Christian Democrat" party for instance, can't be seen as actually Christian.
So we have many different religions, including Christianity, that are used as fronts for hate mongers and racists. If you start going around the world you'll see everything from Shikism to Judaism, to Islam to Chrisianity and on and on as pretences for the extreme views of racists and bigots from all sides.
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the ONLY qualification for being a christian is so say: I am a christian. the KKK does that. there are no judges, or tests one must pass to be a christian. you just say so. and thats that. again - the fun of sticking offensive groups into other groups in lame attempts to discredit based on association. and - for more fun - useing foolish qualifiers to do so. that is all this thread is about.
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Originally posted by Pyrthian: well, not really - just some horse crap to show the ignorance of another thread of simaler name.
Ignorance? I post articles by a former liberal, someone who knows liberalism from the inside, not MY opinion...and you call that ignorance? At least I offer PROOF of my points.
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Let us start with the obvious. The Klu Klux Klan. A conservative group. Seeking the "good 'ol days". Does not get much more conservative then that, does it? Well, actually, yes it does. There is the Taliban. Now thems some conservative thinkers there, eh? But, these are groups. How's about some indivduals? Well, a good current example, right from this weeks news: Scott Roeder. Who is That? That is a man, who entered a church, and shot the abortion guy. Yes, the abortion church shooting guy is a conservative. The guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center. They were conservatives. Timothy McVeigh, a registered republican, also a conservative. Westley Allen Dodd - a child serial killer & child molester - a repulican & conservative. Jeffrey Dahmer - yes - also a conservative.
Oh, geez, you gotta be kidding. You take the worst examples and hold them up as the rule rather than the exception? I post about every day liberals, you post about McVeigh and Dahmer? I don't think so, pyrth.
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yup. that is exactly the point. cherry picking indiviuals or groups just to bash "the other side" for no good reason, other than to bash
what other possible point is there to this type of ignorance?
was there an actual issue to take side over? nope. not a one. just bashing for the sheer sake of bashing. you wanna post up junk about how liberals are all weenies, weak willed, lazy & uneducated
you are attempting to create a stereotype. you are using "with us or against us" mentality. yes, classic Taliban recruitment tactics - look at them stupid, lazy, fat americans, and their liberal ways. or are you a liberal, who think women should be allowed to show their faces in public? HHMM?? you a liberal or conservative? should women show or hide their faces in public?
see how stupid this kind of thinking is yet? because liberal and conservative are NOT absolutes. they are singular stances on singular issues.
Exteremism on either side is rather ugly. You can pick the worst from each side, and make that side look awful, but the truth is--the "reality" you lately have become fond of referring to--is that neither side is normally as extreme as the examples you mentioned. Liberals in general aren't Berkley types or Patti Hursts. Most of us conservatives cringe at some of things Limbaugh says.
btw, you left Abe Lincoln off your list of famous or infamous conservatives, but that would detract from the sensationalist nature of the thread.
Lincoln ?? conservative?? NO he was in the GOP BUT that does not make him a conservative once upon a time there were real liberals in the GOP radical liberals even as many members of the GOP called back then lincoln was a very very progressive liberal but not quite a radical also lincoln was a big spending and new big taxing man supported the fed's powers over the states
yes also back in the 40-50's into the 60's there were conservatives in the democratic party but in the late 60-70's almost all of them switched to the GOP or droped their racist conservative ideas and got with progress I watched the racist SOB's switch partys in the south strange but true the party of lincoln became the party of the KKK men thank nixon for that one
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Originally posted by Pyrthian: was there an actual issue to take side over? nope. not a one. just bashing for the sheer sake of bashing. you wanna post up junk about how liberals are all weenies, weak willed, lazy & uneducated
Nope. I said nothing of the sort. I'm pointing out that they are wrong because their basic philosophy is wrong, the mentality that serves as the basis for their point of view is wrong, and most important their assumptions about human nature and what can be created through politics is wrong. No hype, no bullshit, just logical analysis of their mentality, motivations and methods.
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yes, the KKK is conservative. it is also christian. and that does not make it impossible for individual members to be liberals
edit: or, go ahead and convince me the members of the KKK voted for Obama
again - just showing the IGNORANCE of this kind of mentality.
Here's where I'm confused. I just threw at least 6 or 7 facts out at you, and not only did you completely ignore them, but you prentended like they didn't even exist.
Although you can't prove who ANYONE votes for since ballots are secret and anonymous, I can say that Senator Byrd, a former Grand Master of the KKK currently exists as a currently presiding Senator, and I would ASSUME he voted for Obama because he is a Democrat. The KKK doesn't really exist anymore.
Senator Byrd:
And actually, here's a link saying that Byrd DID in fact support Obama this past election:
Note, 80% of Republicans voted FOR it VS only 63% of Democrats. Almost THREE TIMES more Democrats voted AGAINST it (in numbers AND percent) than Republicans who voted against it.
There's a TON of stuff on that link too that goes into detail about the Democrats starting the KKK, etc... Here's a few quotes from Wikipedia, regarding the KKK specifically:
"newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations such as the White League and Red Shirts started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing Republican voting and running Republicans out of office in certain Deep South states. These contributed to white Democrats regaining political power in the southern states."
And some more:
"White Democrats cast the full vote of the parish for Grant's opponent. The KKK killed and wounded more than 200 black Republicans, hunting and chasing them through the woods. Thirteen captives were taken from jail and shot; a half-buried pile of 25 bodies was found in the woods. The KKK made people vote Democratic and gave them certificates of the fact."
You can do some research too with respect to all the civil rights acts, etc... they were ALL passed by Republicans. Everything from the Emancipation Proclimation by Lincoln, all the way to the Anti-Age Discrimination act during Ronald Reagan.
So, I dunno... I mean, what more proof do you need? . . . . EDIT: Just saw this other response: .
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you are attempting to create a stereotype. you are using "with us or against us" mentality. yes, classic Taliban recruitment tactics - look at them stupid, lazy, fat americans, and their liberal ways. or are you a liberal, who think women should be allowed to show their faces in public? HHMM?? you a liberal or conservative? should women show or hide their faces in public?
see how stupid this kind of thinking is yet? because liberal and conservative are NOT absolutes. they are singular stances on singular issues.
. . You've got it COMPLETELY wrong. For one, not ONLY did you pick horrible examples that have exploded in your face, you're confusing the semantic of the word "liberal" and "conservative" instead of it's political connotation.
You could say from a political view, that a liberal is very conservative (semantic) in the way they feel about socialism.
Originally posted by fierobear: Nope. I said nothing of the sort. I'm pointing out that they are wrong because their basic philosophy is wrong, the mentality that serves as the basis for their point of view is wrong, and most important their assumptions about human nature and what can be created through politics is wrong. No hype, no bullshit, just logical analysis of their mentality, motivations and methods.
them individuals or "liberals" as a whole? do you or do you not think women should hide their faces in public? I know you dont want to answer because it is a trap Q. an obvious trap Q. because you know to say it is OK for women to show their face in public is LIBERAL. are you really gonna sit there and say you beleive in what the Taliban preaches, because they are conservatives? or can you actually step up, and take issues one at a time, and apply judgement on a single issue, or just whatever a conservative leader tells you to think?
I agree 100% that the people in your thread sounded like complete idiots. just as I agree that the people I mentioned above are idiots. but to blanket the entire population of the earth into two groups, liberals and conservatives, is foolish. That is all I am trying to accomplish here. I have conservative ideas, and I have liberal ideas. I am NOT one or the other.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Here's where I'm confused. I just threw at least 6 or 7 facts out at you, and not only did you completely ignore them, but you prentended like they didn't even exist.
Although you can't prove who ANYONE votes for since ballots are secret and anonymous, I can say that Senator Byrd, a former Grand Master of the KKK currently exists as a currently presiding Senator, and I would ASSUME he voted for Obama because he is a Democrat. The KKK doesn't really exist anymore.
Senator Byrd:
And actually, here's a link saying that Byrd DID in fact support Obama this past election:
Note, 80% of Republicans voted FOR it VS only 63% of Democrats. Almost THREE TIMES more Democrats voted AGAINST it (in numbers AND percent) than Republicans who voted against it.
There's a TON of stuff on that link too that goes into detail about the Democrats starting the KKK, etc... Here's a few quotes from Wikipedia, regarding the KKK specifically:
"newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations such as the White League and Red Shirts started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing Republican voting and running Republicans out of office in certain Deep South states. These contributed to white Democrats regaining political power in the southern states."
And some more:
"White Democrats cast the full vote of the parish for Grant's opponent. The KKK killed and wounded more than 200 black Republicans, hunting and chasing them through the woods. Thirteen captives were taken from jail and shot; a half-buried pile of 25 bodies was found in the woods. The KKK made people vote Democratic and gave them certificates of the fact."
You can do some research too with respect to all the civil rights acts, etc... they were ALL passed by Republicans. Everything from the Emancipation Proclimation by Lincoln, all the way to the Anti-Age Discrimination act during Ronald Reagan.
So, I dunno... I mean, what more proof do you need?
again - senator Byrd himself said the KKK was a conservative group. I would assume he would know better than any of us. being he's been on just about every side of this horsecrap.
but, I fully see how you are trying to drag this away from liberal/conservative and trying to make it republican/democrat.
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again - senator Byrd himself said the KKK was a conservative group. I would assume he would know better than any of us. being he's been on just about every side of this horsecrap.
Again, you just completely ignored about 10 or so links, and paragraphs of proof that have nothing to do with Senator Byrd but that proves OVER and OVER the Democrats started the KKK, but you ignore it completely?
Obviously... if over 100 years of COLD, HARD FACTS aren't going to make you think otherwise, then there's really no point in continuing this discussion because the problem obviously is yours, and no one elses.
Personally, I think it's amazing, really... that the Democrat party could heal itself and change it's views after almost 100 years of racist actions, that as a party, they were able to overcome their historically racist views and vote for a black President. It shows, honestly, how great this country really is.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Again, you just completely ignored about 10 or so links, and paragraphs of proof that have nothing to do with Senator Byrd but that proves OVER and OVER the Democrats started the KKK, but you ignore it completely?
Obviously... if over 100 years of COLD, HARD FACTS aren't going to make you think otherwise, then there's really no point in continuing this discussion because the problem obviously is yours, and no one elses.
Personally, I think it's amazing, really... that the Democrat party could heal itself and change it's views after almost 100 years of racist actions, that as a party, they were able to overcome their historically racist views and vote for a black President. It shows, honestly, how great this country really is.
this is about conservative/liberal, not democrat/republican. yes, I know some cannot see the difference. but, you do realize that "the parties" of the past are NOT the parties of today?
edit: after doing some actual looking thru - guess what we find.... that the southern democrats who started the KKK were in fact conservatives....hmmmm imagine that. democrat conservatives. going out and hanging republican liberals. again showing that conservatives are psycho killers.
just shows how foolish this propoganda gets. keep spewing stereotypical BS. keep people from thinking freely, and impose your will.
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this is about conservative/liberal, not democrat/republican.
That's your problem, obviously... you don't understand the difference between the political connotation of the terms, VS the semantic version of the term. You (obviously to me) are making an argument (illogically) for the semantic version of the word, against people who are using the political connotation of the term.
As I said before, the problem here is clearly you, not everyone else.
If this is a problem for you, then you should also feel the same way about the term "GAY" (to be happy), "homosexual" (a cigarette butt), etc...
And if this IS a problem for you, then you'll probably just need to learn to get over it...
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Originally posted by Pyrthian: yes, I know some cannot see the difference. but, you do realize that "the parties" of the past are NOT the parties of today?
Like I was saying, I'm VERY impressed that the Democrats were able to "shake" their racist past, and embrace the black population of America like the Republicans always have. It took John F. Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy the sacrifice of their own lives to accomplish this. The Democrats however, throughout their entire history in this country have unfortunately maintained their socialist views. Republicans however have changed little... they are still very pro-military, and pro-capitalist. Just as they've always been since the parting of the Whig Party.
addressed in the "edit" - but - I'll post it again, cause its fun
edit: after doing some actual looking thru - guess what we find.... that the southern democrats who started the KKK were in fact conservatives....hmmmm imagine that. democrat conservatives. going out and hanging republican liberals. again showing that conservatives are psycho killers.
just shows how foolish this propoganda gets. keep spewing stereotypical BS. keep people from thinking freely, and impose your will.
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addressed in the "edit" - but - I'll post it again, cause its fun
edit: after doing some actual looking thru - guess what we find.... that the southern democrats who started the KKK were in fact conservatives....hmmmm imagine that. democrat conservatives. going out and hanging republican liberals. again showing that conservatives are psycho killers.
just shows how foolish this propoganda gets. keep spewing stereotypical BS. keep people from thinking freely, and impose your will.
Ok, again, you completely ignored my post, and completely ignore the fact that you're arguing SEMANTICS with people who are aruging POLITICAL VIEWS...
Is there any point to me continuing this? You either don't understand, or you're trying to prove a point which is non-sensical...
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Ok, again, you completely ignored my post, and completely ignore the fact that you're arguing SEMANTICS with people who are aruging POLITICAL VIEWS...
Is there any point to me continuing this? You either don't understand, or you're trying to prove a point which is non-sensical...
you got it. I am trying to show this whole concept of grouping everyone into either one of two groups is non-sensical. so, how about you? do you think women sure hide their faces in public? yes or no? no - you are a liberal, yes - you are a conservative. see how ignorant this kind of grouping is? that is what this thread is about.
Pyrthian. You have used certain people and groups to describe conservatives I will say this. They are not conservatives in the sense of Church going Christians or Jews or Muslims. The groups you have described are whats know as Extremists or Radicals. They want only what they want and are not flexible. The definition of extremist is: "One who holds extreme views or advocates extreme measures" Most extreemist groups rule by the sword and remove those who they find threatening. The Taliban is an extremist group and will kill you if you are found to be a Christian or in possesion of a Bible.
There are Liberal extremist groups too such as :
Voluntary Human Extinction Movement “Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth’s biosphere to returnto good health.
Earth First! “To put it simply, the Earth must come first.” Earth First! is most well known for its alleged attempted bombing in the UK in 1990.
Earth Liberation Front (ELF): ELF was founded in 1992 by members of the Earth First! movement. In 2001, the FBI named ELF the top domestic terrorist threat. ELF has carried out many attacks, mostly arson.
Animal Liberation Front (ALF): ALF evolved in the UK from a group called the Bands of Mercy, which opposed fox hunting. In the U.S., it appeared in the 1970s. Since then, it has grown internationally. ALF has taken part in many raids to, in their opinion, rescue animals on which tests are being performed, or are kept in zoos, aquariums, etc.
Revolutionary Cells - Animal Liberation Brigade (RCALB): RCALB has been accused of being the ‘terrorist wing of the Animal Liberation Front’. ALF does not support the actions of RCALB. RCALB has taken responsibility for two successful bombings (luckily no one killed) and a third attempted bombing.
Justice Department (not the U.S. Government) The Justice Department, also accused of being another militant wing of ALF (also denied), has been accused by The Independent of “the most sustained and sophisticated bombing campaign in mainland Britain since the IRA was at its height.” The organization has attempted to assassinate Prince Charles, and has also attempted the assassination over 80 researchers.
These are just some of the Liberal extremist groups but that doesn't make all Liberals extreemists just like your examples don't make all Conservatives extremists.
What I take from this thread is that you felt wronged by another thread because you are a Liberal (not an extremist Liberal) and felt slighted so you decided to retaliate by listing monsters that were religious extremists. In the thread you are refering to that examinined Liberals no extremist groups were pointed out and it was the opinion of a Conservative that had once been a Liberal who lives in Berkley CA know to be a decidedly Liberal town. This lady knew the innner workings of her party by being involved in the party and working for it.
Now I don't mean to start a fight but to point out Conservative extremist groups to make a point and not show Liberal extremist groups make it one sided and not impartial.
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What I take from this thread is that you felt wronged by another thread because you are a Liberal (not an extremist Liberal) and felt slighted so you decided to retaliate by listing monsters that were religious extremists. In the thread you are refering to that examinined Liberals no extremist groups were pointed out and it was the opinion of a Conservative that had once been a Liberal who lives in Berkley CA know to be a decidedly Liberal town. This lady knew the innner workings of her party by being involved in the party and working for it.
Now I don't mean to start a fight but to point out Conservative extremist groups to make a point and not show Liberal extremist groups make it one sided and not impartial.
Shelby
yay - someone gets it I am NOT a liberal. I am NOT a conservative. I can think for myself. I want the winners to win, and the losers to lose. but I see MUCH room for improvement.
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you got it. I am trying to show this whole concept of grouping everyone into either one of two groups is non-sensical. so, how about you? do you think women sure hide their faces in public? yes or no?
I think it depends on if they are ugly or not, personally...
I'm fairly liberal when it comes to social issues, but I'm hard-core conservative when it comes to business and capitalism. I vote Republican the vast majority of the time with the exception being a vote (twice) for a Democrat senator and 1 Democrat congressman.
Comparitvely speaking, any liberal can be regarded as conservative if compared to the most extreme liberal--same holds true for conservatives. The biggest proponent of the Vietnam war--hawkish so to speak--was liberal in all other aspects. LBJ. Tho to his credit, I believe he was genuinely horrified at the deaths and carnage that came about during that war.
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I didn't realize the Taliban was a political party in the US. Do you have some numbers of how many US Voters are registered in the Taliban party? What? None? Then I guess, as it applies to OUR political system, you're just not making sense are you?
At what point in US history did any party support women covering their faces? What? Never? No party? Then I guess, as it applies to OUR political system, you're just not making sense are you?
If you want to be taken even remotely seriously, you might try to make arguments that actually pertain to OUR political system if that's the system we're talking about, otherwise you're just playing the fool.
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them individuals or "liberals" as a whole? do you or do you not think women should hide their faces in public? I know you dont want to answer because it is a trap Q. an obvious trap Q. because you know to say it is OK for women to show their face in public is LIBERAL. are you really gonna sit there and say you beleive in what the Taliban preaches, because they are conservatives? or can you actually step up, and take issues one at a time, and apply judgement on a single issue, or just whatever a conservative leader tells you to think?
I agree 100% that the people in your thread sounded like complete idiots. just as I agree that the people I mentioned above are idiots. but to blanket the entire population of the earth into two groups, liberals and conservatives, is foolish. That is all I am trying to accomplish here. I have conservative ideas, and I have liberal ideas. I am NOT one or the other.
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Originally posted by jstricker: You've brought this up several times.
I didn't realize the Taliban was a political party in the US. Do you have some numbers of how many US Voters are registered in the Taliban party? What? None? Then I guess, as it applies to OUR political system, you're just not making sense are you?
At what point in US history did any party support women covering their faces? What? Never? No party? Then I guess, as it applies to OUR political system, you're just not making sense are you?
If you want to be taken even remotely seriously, you might try to make arguments that actually pertain to OUR political system if that's the system we're talking about, otherwise you're just playing the fool.
John Stricker
I didnt know "conservatives" or "liberals" were registered US parties either. and, I also did not know that liberals or conservatives could not exist outside the USA. I guess this means Nazi's were neither liberal or conservative either, eh? oops - that was left or right. can people be "left or right" outside the USA? will you allow that? and - yes - I mentioned more than enough times, this is just to show the idiocy of blanket statements about "liberals" or "conservatives", as if they are some form of species of humans. and, isnt it fun to adjust how things can be discussed, depending on content?
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I'm VERY impressed that the Democrats were able to "shake" their racist past, and embrace the black population of America like the Republicans always have.
Looks like it's time to put on the gumboots as the BS is really starting to pile up here.
Are you suggesting that within the ranks of "Republicans", there have never been nor are there presently any white people who have ever entertained racist beliefs?
With all due respect, it’s ridiculous to make a blanket statement like that regarding ANY group of people. Given enough numbers, every forum has their bigots, every political party has their bigots, and yes, every race (black, white, yellow) has their bigots.
I didnt know "conservatives" or "liberals" were registered US parties either. and, I also did not know that liberals or conservatives could not exist outside the USA. I guess this means Nazi's were neither liberal or conservative either, eh? oops - that was left or right. can people be "left or right" outside the USA? will you allow that? and - yes - I mentioned more than enough times, this is just to show the idiocy of blanket statements about "liberals" or "conservatives", as if they are some form of species of humans. and, isnt it fun to adjust how things can be discussed, depending on content?
Considering the vagueness of the initial post, it's not surprising the topic changes a lot.
"Whereas, It has become necessary to call into service, not only volunteers, but also portions of the militia of the States by draft, in order to suppress the insurrection existing in the United States, and disloyal persons are not adequately restrained by the ordinary processes of law from hindering this measure, and from giving aid and comfort in various ways to the insurrection. Now, therefore, be it ordered, that during the existing insurrection, and as a necessary measure for suppressing the same, all rebels and insurgents, their aiders and abettors within the United States, and all persons discouraging volunteer enlistments, resisting militia drafts, or guilty of any disloyal practice affording aid and comfort to the rebels against the authority of the United States, shall be subject to martial law, and liable to trial and punishment by courts-martial or military commission.
Second: That the writ of habeas corpus is suspended in respect to all persons arrested, or who are now, or hereafter during the rebellion shall be, imprisoned in any fort, camp, arsenal, military prisons, or other place of confinement, by any military authority, or by the sentence of any court-martial or military commission.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the City of Washington, this Twenty-fourth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-seventh.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN. By the President.
WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State.
In the early 1870s, President Ulysses S. Grant"
Sound familar? Issued and signed by a self professed man of God, (altho not known for regular church attendance) who believed that less government was better government, that slavery should just die a natural death--not abolished but merely contained to the states it already existed in, and wouldn't even discuss the issue (until the issue was forced on him in the debates), and agreed with his mentor Henry Clay, that the homeless people in the western US (squatters) were nothing more than"lawless rabble". Sound like a liberal?
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the ONLY qualification for being a christian is so say: I am a christian. the KKK does that. there are no judges, or tests one must pass to be a christian. you just say so. and thats that. again - the fun of sticking offensive groups into other groups in lame attempts to discredit based on association. and - for more fun - useing foolish qualifiers to do so. that is all this thread is about.
So there is no test to pass to call yourself a Muslim, a Hindu, or most religions. You really don't have a point.
Originally posted by Arns85GT: So there is no test to pass to call yourself a Muslim, a Hindu, or most religions. You really don't have a point.
Arn
sorry, maybe I mistook what you were saying. I thought you were saying that the KKK was not christian. all I was saying is, the KKK is christian, if the KKK says so - and it does.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
I don't know how familiar you are with US history regarding the KKK. In the '50's and '60's, it was dominated by members of the Democratic party. It was also a powerful voting force in the deep south. As the Democrats turned away from it, the party withered and died. It was never a bastion of the Republican party, then or now.
Were some Republicans a part of it? Of course. But not many. The fact of the matter is, though, that when it became un-cool to be in the KKK (think of the JFK years and after) and Democrats fled it, the group died. There are still some holdouts in the deep south, but not many, and as a voting force they are now insignificant, as they should be.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Looks like it's time to put on the gumboots as the BS is really starting to pile up here.
Are you suggesting that within the ranks of "Republicans", there have never been nor are there presently any white people who have ever entertained racist beliefs?
With all due respect, it’s ridiculous to make a blanket statement like that regarding ANY group of people. Given enough numbers, every forum has their bigots, every political party has their bigots, and yes, every race (black, white, yellow) has their bigots.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
The KKK is not Christian. Just because it has members in it that claim to be Christian does not make it a Christian group.
Oh, and BTW, claiming you are a Christian does not make you one either.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:
sorry, maybe I mistook what you were saying. I thought you were saying that the KKK was not christian. all I was saying is, the KKK is christian, if the KKK says so - and it does.
