well, after much looking, debate, and options, I found the M-4 I like. Its a Sig 516 patrol It has a 3 position gas regulator like an FN FAL, and it uses the proven and reliable short stroke gas piston system of the Sig 550, the Swedish main battle rifle. This is one of the best M16's for the money in my opinion, and you wont have the finicky issues of a direct impingement gas system. They have been covered in mud, racked and fire flawlessly without a hiccup. They have been tested to be just as reliable as an AK.
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well, after much looking, debate, and options, I found the M-4 I like. Its a Sig 516 patrol It has a 3 position gas regulator like an FN FAL, and it uses the proven and reliable short stroke gas piston system of the Sig 550, the Swedish main battle rifle. This is one of the best M16's for the money in my opinion, and you wont have the finicky issues of a direct impingement gas system. They have been covered in mud, racked and fire flawlessly without a hiccup. They have been tested to be just as reliable as an AK.
Explain the sights on that one please. Ballpark figure on the price as pictured? (if ya would rather not, that's ok)
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dsnover Member
Posts: 1668 From: Cherryville, PA USA Registered: Apr 2006
Explain the sights on that one please. Ballpark figure on the price as pictured? (if ya would rather not, that's ok)
Looks like the sights are something along the lines of a Trijicon holographic sight (I can't make out the brand from the picture, so could be an EOTech or equivalent too). Nice.
Looks like troy industries folding front and rear sights and an eotech 512 holographic sight on the rail. No start a flame war but the gas inpingment system isn't all that bad. You just have to clean/maintaine your weapon and you won't have any problems. Now my ar with the gas piston is way cleaner after a day of shooting which is just fine in my book. Nice piece man!
Explain the sights on that one please. Ballpark figure on the price as pictured? (if ya would rather not, that's ok)
The rifle retails for $1,300, which is an amazing price in my opinion. This is not my personal rifle, but the red dot sight looks to be an Eotech Halo sight. If its the real name brand, it retails for $400. In this configuration , it would cost $1,700.
A basic in the box model comes with a Sig brand red dot and quick release sling for $1,400. The rifle itself does not come with iron sights, but for not much money, you can buy some combat back up flip up sights and mount them. I would prefer that anyway to fixed sights.
Looks like troy industries folding front and rear sights and an eotech 512 holographic sight on the rail. No start a flame war but the gas inpingment system isn't all that bad. You just have to clean/maintaine your weapon and you won't have any problems. Now my ar with the gas piston is way cleaner after a day of shooting which is just fine in my book. Nice piece man!
I agree, the DI system isn't bad. I may have to use this as my patrol rifle, so I want that extra confidence it will go bang with my life on the line. I also like the fact it has an adjustable regulator for gas pressures.
This is what ultimately sold me on the gun. My friends DI rock river would not have fired after this.
Shortly before my arrival in New Hampshire, SIG Sauer’s defense program manager, Robert Hirt, ran one of the 14½"-barreled prototypes through a 20,000-round torture test. The rifle ran without cleaning and only periodic oiling, and there was only a single failure to feed. Hirt and I fired the rifle at the SIG Sauer Academy ranges with a variety of 5.56x45 mm NATO/.223 Rem. ammunition ranging from light to heavyweight loadings, including frangible ammunition. A 30-round magazine was loaded with a mixture of all these, and then Hirt ripped off a 30-round shot string without a single malfunction. To further demonstrate the rifle’s reliability, the same rifle was run through environmental torture tests. It was loaded and placed on “safe” and then dragged through sand. After the gun was inundated with sand, and after ensuring the bore was clear, Hirt once again loaded and fired a full magazine without a single hiccup. The final test was the most impressive—and don’t try this at home. A shallow trench was dug and the rifle buried in a bath of mud with the consistency ofwet concrete. After remaining there for a minute or so, Hirt pulled out the rifle and, after checking for bore obstructions, chambered a round and fired until the rifle ran dry. Once again, not a single malfunction. ArticlesBlogsVideos No Related Articles Driving Change Once the rifle was cleaned in a barrel of water, we headed back to the company’s headquarters to take a close, detailed look at the test rifle as well as a 16"-barreled SIG516 Patrol version. “Although the SIG516 brings a lot of improvements to the table, the gas-piston system is the most significant of them,” Hirt told me. He explained in detail how a standard direct-impingement system drives not only carbon and fouling into the action, but also excessive heat; the result is a system in which oil quickly evaporates, and lubrication is necessary to keep an AR running reliably. The SIG516’s push-rod gas system is designed to reduce this effect by isolating heat and fouling forward of the action and above the barrel, keeping the critical action and chamber area of the rifle clean and cool. In addition, any excess gas in the self-cleaning system is vented out and downward in the forward portion of the handguard just to the rear of the rifle’s gas block through two vent holes in the piston rod. The SIG516 features a three-position gas regulator located within the Picatinny rail-topped gas block. Sporting a round, grooved knob, the regulator has three markings: a small white dot, a larger white dot and a small red dot. The regulator is locked into position by a spring-loaded plunger on the forward face of the gas block and can be adjusted without tools. A prominent white line on the upper right side of the block aligns with the dots and offers a visual cue to the gas system’s setting.
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RotrexFiero Member
Posts: 3692 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Jul 2002
Since you guys are very knowledgeable about these guns, what would be a good ar-15 rifle to purchase now? I have some hunting rifles but I want to add something with a little more firepower. I want to do this now while the prices are still within reach. I remember with the AR's were around five-six hundred dollars. Just from looking there seems to be so many variations and new trends.
Since you guys are very knowledgeable about these guns, what would be a good ar-15 rifle to purchase now? I have some hunting rifles but I want to add something with a little more firepower. I want to do this now while the prices are still within reach. I remember with the AR's were around five-six hundred dollars. Just from looking there seems to be so many variations and new trends.
how much do you want to spend, and what accessories do you want. Do you want just a good basic rifle, one just for target practice, or one that may be used as a defense weapon?
Since you guys are very knowledgeable about these guns, what would be a good ar-15 rifle to purchase now? I have some hunting rifles but I want to add something with a little more firepower. I want to do this now while the prices are still within reach. I remember with the AR's were around five-six hundred dollars. Just from looking there seems to be so many variations and new trends.
I'm guessing by more firepower you mean something that has more capacity? Otherwise I'm sure whatever hunting rifles you have pack more punch than the 5.56 round. AR's can be had now for $600-700 for a basic gun so they aren't much more than what you remember. My father built one for under $600 last year.
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RotrexFiero Member
Posts: 3692 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Jul 2002
I want something in the 5.56 caliber that I can get a good 30 rd magazine, and is semi-auto. I know there are many options, but when I search online there are just tons of rifles. When I went to look locally, I saw some low priced SKS rifles, and some AR-15 looking rifles chambered in .22 (I guess just for plinking). Most firearms really hold there value, so I am not worried aobut the money. If it is a rifle I like I have no problem with a grand, or so. Again, I am thinking in a few years these guns will be outlawed and even if they are not the price is really going to jump.
I want something in the 5.56 caliber that I can get a good 30 rd magazine, and is semi-auto. I know there are many options, but when I search online there are just tons of rifles. When I went to look locally, I saw some low priced SKS rifles, and some AR-15 looking rifles chambered in .22 (I guess just for plinking). Most firearms really hold there value, so I am not worried aobut the money. If it is a rifle I like I have no problem with a grand, or so. Again, I am thinking in a few years these guns will be outlawed and even if they are not the price is really going to jump.
So if I wanted to purchase that would I just go to my local firearms dealer and ask him to order it? Or, order it online and they will mail it to the local gun dealer? I know there are many restrictions on firearms. There are a lot of firearms dealers around but most are handguns and hunting rifles, and it seems if you ask any questions you dont really get answers. Often I find they just want to sale you what they got there in the store.
How do you guys shop?
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craigsfiero2007 Member
Posts: 3979 From: Livermore, ME Registered: Aug 2007
So if I wanted to purchase that would I just go to my local firearms dealer and ask him to order it? Or, order it online and they will mail it to the local gun dealer? I know there are many restrictions on firearms. There are a lot of firearms dealers around but most are handguns and hunting rifles, and it seems if you ask any questions you dont really get answers. Often I find they just want to sale you what they got there in the store.
How do you guys shop?
order it online, and have it sent to a local shop, or you can call and request they order it.
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craigsfiero2007 Member
Posts: 3979 From: Livermore, ME Registered: Aug 2007
Hey nick this is the mako bipod grip. I have one on my ar and it works great. very durable construction. the only drawback is that it is a little on the fat side. with that in mind it still fits in my small a$$ hand just fine. they also make one now with a mount for a flashlight in the front. I picked mine up for 119 buck from cheaperthandirt.com.
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ARCHIES JUNK IS FASTER THAN SHAUNNA'S JUNK
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Rickady88GT Member
Posts: 10648 From: Central CA Registered: Dec 2002
Shop online, then when ready to buy you click on "Quote" and find a store that can get it and what their price is, then you order it online and pick it up from the store you selected. They don't carry everything, but it's a good place to shop and frequently has video reviews of various weapons.
Nice piece man!
Just slap an ACOG on that and BAM! 
