So now we know why the Russian messenger incident took place between medvev and Obama...
According to internal e-mails circulated among the staff at Stratfor, an Austin, Texas-based private intelligence gathering firm, John McCain was presented with proof that Democrats in Pennsylvania and Ohio used voter fraud to win those states and committed other disturbing crimes. The communiques were stolen and made public by WikiLeaks. An e-mail dated Nov. 7, 2008, under the subject line "Insight – The Dems & Dirty Tricks ** Internal Use Only – Pls Do Not Forward **," was sent by Fred Burton, Stratfor's vice president of Intelligence. It said in part, "The black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly and Ohio as reported the night of the election and Sen. McCain chose not to fight. The matter is not dead inside the party. It now becomes a matter of sequence now as to how and when to 'out.'" Burton also mentioned a "six-figure" Democrat donation/bribe to Jesse Jackson to buy his silence about Israel. On Oct. 14, 2008, Jackson told fellow attendees in at the World Policy Forum, in Evian, France, a "President Obama" would "remove the clout of Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades." Burton continued with an explosive charge he apparently considered quite believable, "The hunt is on for the sleezy Russian money into O-man's coffers. A smoking gun has already been found. Will get more on this when the time is right. My source was too giddy to continue. Can you say Clinton and ChiCom funny money? This also becomes a matter of how and when to out. This allegation makes some sense of Obama’s reassurances to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev caught by an open mic. Obama said, '….but it’s important for him [Putin] to give me space.'" Medvedev responded: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you …" Obama: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility." Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir [Putin]…" Fred Burton is a known quantity in the highest Intelligence circles. He has been the deputy chief of the Department of State's counter-terrorism division for the Diplomatic Security Service (DSS). Stratfor has acknowledged that last December its internal communications system was hacked and the group "Anonymous" has taken credit for the sabotage. WikiLeaks started to publish Stratfor’s stolen e-mails last month. Startfor will neither confirm nor deny whether the communiques attributed to its staff are real or fabrications.
SOURCE: Wikileaks. They seem to be more impartial then Al-jazeera. www.wikileaks.org
EDIT: corrected link Thanks Raydar
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One of the emails showing incompetence of the Obama Administration (In bold print)
From: George Friedman Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:41:03 -0600 To: Secure List Subject: Insight--for internal use only--On pain of agony Internal use only
Some nuggets from meeting:
Kissinger believes that the Israelis are in a panic and will attack Iran. Erdogan has made it clear to him that he plans to break with Israel at some point and reorient toward the Islamic world. He intends to be their leader. Paul Volcker regards the Greek crisis as potentially a mortal blow for the EU. He would like to see an IMF tranche. He also said that Nicholas Brady is behind both this and the Volcker principles Obama adopted. When I asked Brady how he expects to get the the U.S. to go along with an IMF bailout, he shrugged and said they won't, but that's the only choice. Volcker is now doubtful the Euro can survive. Brady is convinced it will. Kissinger thinks Volcker and Brady are missing the real crisis which is in Iran and potentially Russia. Volcker also says that the Bank of England and the French will go along with the Volcker rules on an international basis--that is returning to a variety of Glass-Steagal. The Japanese will do whatever is said, and in Germany only Deutsche Bank really makes decisions. Sarkozy told him he would come in. So there may be an international convention on restructuring banks under way--Volcker is pretty careful in what he says and doesn't promote himself more than the average bear, so this may be the case. Nick Brady thinks so too.
Total confusion on situation in China, but more on Obama. They don't understand who is running China policy. The decision to meet with the Dalia Lama strikes them as particularly bizarre. But China is the least of the discussion. It is about Greece and Iran. China is kind of an afterthought.
I asked Tim Reed who ran Resolution Trust Corporation during the S&L crisis under Nick Brady whether a new RTC would have been better as a supplement to TARP and he agreed but said that Paulsen was so panicked he wasn't thinking and Bernaecke and he were just responding.
One sense I'm getting here is that the American elite, along with Europe's, China's and just about everyone but Russia's his suffering from three problems: First, none are really aware of the political pressures on other elites. Second, they completely misunderstand the alienation of the publics, three, except for Volcker, they think this can be handled by the elites among themselves. We have a crisis of the elites, in my view.
I get to hold forth in an hour or so, and I'm going to argue that Iran is going out of control because of the elite crisis. No decision making is going on and the decisions that are being made won't be supported in the public. The only country that is acting decisively and can do so is Russia.
This is for our own internal use. This must not be published or discussed outside Stratfor. -- George Friedman Founder and CEO Stratfor 700 Lavaca Street Suite 900 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone 512-744-4319 Fax 512-744-4334
-- Jennifer Richmond China Director, Stratfor US Mobile: (512) 422-9335 China Mobile: (86) 15801890731 Email: richmond@stratfor.com www.stratfor.com
Obama does not know who is running China. Hint: Its the Communist Party of China, the Chinese Premier and their Congress.
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Email-ID 339396 Date 2008-11-07 14:45:50 From howerton@stratfor.com To burton@stratfor.com, secure@stratfor.com Well, look at it this way. The Dems quit pretending and admitted to themselves that to win it you have to get off your high horse and play dirty when you have to. And they won. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Fred Burton [mailto:burton@stratfor.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:41 AM To: secure@stratfor.com Subject: Insight - The Dems & Dirty Tricks ** Internal Use Only - Pls Do Not Forward ** ** Internal Use Only - Pls Do Not Forward **
1) The black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly and Ohio as reported the night of the election and Sen. McCain chose not to fight. The matter is not dead inside the party. It now becomes a matter of sequence now as to how and when to "out".
2)It appears the Dems "made a donation" to Rev. Jesse (no, they would never do that!) to keep his yap shut after his diatribe about the Jews and Israel. A little bird told me it was a "nice six-figure donation". This also becomes a matter of how and when to out.
3) The hunt is on for the sleezy Russian money into O-mans coffers. A smoking gun has already been found. Will get more on this when the time is right. My source was too giddy to continue. Can you say Clinton and ChiCom funny money? This also becomes a matter of how and when to ou
I'm sure the Oman would never do whats alleged here.
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Unfortunately he had the advantage of the media being on his side which i think made the difference, but I don't feel that he "stole" the election, unless the electrical college voted against the peoples wishes due to bribing of them. He won it according to the rules.
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I couldn't understand 90% of what they were saying due to poor pronunciation when speaking and an over driven mic when they shouted. Is there a "cliff notes" of what that was about?
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I couldn't understand 90% of what they were saying due to poor pronunciation when speaking and an over driven mic when they shouted. Is there a "cliff notes" of what that was about?
Sure. They were praising Obama, saying "Because of Obama, they are now capable of (some career goal)" The rest of it was some poem similar to what the Hitler Youth said about the Fuhrer.
I'm pretty sure they could be just as successful if Romney was President, because success starts with the self, not the President.
Sure. They were praising Obama, saying "Because of Obama, they are now capable of (some career goal)" The rest of it was some poem similar to what the Hitler Youth said about the Fuhrer.
I'm pretty sure they could be just as successful if Romney was President, because success starts with the self, not the President.
Ah, so not a huge deal, tho i agree its too bad they aren't taking personal responsibility for 'becoming' something. But if they accomplish their goal, that's good.
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Those emails indicate that there is evidence out there, but they are not evidence of wrong doing in themselves. Keep in mind that these are internal communications. Internal communications tend be more very candid but they also tend to draw conclusions much earlier than any kind of outside communication. I look at them more of as they found some evidence of wrong doing and are investigating it further.
Stratfor is well known and respected in intelligence circles. I have no doubt that they have found some evidence of wrong doing. The nature and quality of that evidence is unknown. I would assume that if it was conclusive, then Stratfor would have turned it over to law enforcement if they have not already.
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Is this what I would call a pre-bash, since they haven't even posted yet?
Yup, sometimes many of the "Conservatorium" seem to enjoy baiting, then piling on certain members, even calling them out by name to try and get a response. Trolling some call it.
Others post mostly nonsense often copy and pasted, just to get a response.....any response! " "
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Yup, sometimes many of the "Conservatorium" seem to enjoy baiting, then piling on certain members, even calling them out by name to try and get a response. Trolling some call it.
You must not have been here during the Bush Presidency. They had PLENTY to say about Bush, Republicans, conservatives and we personally, by name.
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Republican John McCain refused to raise the issue of voter fraud after learning Democrats stuffed ballot boxes in Ohio and Pennsylvania on the night of the 2008 U.S. Presidential election, according internal Stratfor e-mails published by WikiLeaks.
In an email sent on November 7, 2008, and titled “ Insight – The Dems & Dirty Tricks ** Internal Use Only – Pls Do Not Forward **,” Stratfor vice president of intelligence Fred Burton wrote:
1) The black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly and Ohio as reported the night of the election and Sen. McCain chose not to fight. The matter is not dead inside the party. It now becomes a matter of sequence now as to how and when to “out”.
In an email sent two days earlier and titled “Insight – McCain #5 ** internal use only – Pls do not forward **,” Burton wrote:
After discussions with his inner circle, which explains the delay in his speech, McCain decided not to pursue the voter fraud in PA and Ohio, despite his staff’s desire to make it an issue. He said no. Staff felt they could get a federal injunction to stop the process. McCain felt the crowds assembled in support of Obama and such would be detrimental to our country and it would do our nation no good for this to drag out like last go around, coupled with the possibility of domestic violence.
Jesse Jackson
The November 7 e-mail also alleges Democrats paid a six-figure sum to the Rev. Jesse Jackson to shut him up, after he said “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” would lose political power should Obama become president.
2) It appears the Dems “made a donation” to Rev. Jesse (no, they would never do that!) to keep his yap shut after his diatribe about the Jews and Israel. A little bird told me it was a “nice six-figure donation”. This also becomes a matter of how and when to out.
The November 7 e-mail also charges the Obama campaign with taking money from Russian sources, conjuring up a 1996 scandal where China made sizable donations to the Democrat National Committee during Bill Clinton’s re-election campaign:
3) The hunt is on for the sleezy Russian money into O-mans coffers. A smoking gun has already been found. Will get more on this when the time is right. My source was too giddy to continue. Can you say Clinton and ChiCom funny money? This also becomes a matter of how and when to out.
Although the Strafor e-mails do not explain why McCain did not raise the issue of voter fraud, one reason may have been threats of riots and civil disobedience made by Jackson and other Democrats if Obama lost.
Fred Burton
Burton is a former Deputy Chief of the Department of State’s counterterrorism division for the Diplomatic Security Service (DSS). The DSS assists the Department of Defense in following leads and doing forensic analysis of hard drives seized by the U.S. government in ongoing criminal investigations.
Stratfor provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations and government agencies, including the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Marines and the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency.
WikiLeaks has published 973 out of what it says is a cache of 5 million internal Stratfor emails (dated between July 2004 and December 2011) obtained by the hacker collective Anonymous around Christmas.
I'm thinking many republicans and democrats don't have the stones to do the right thing, even when they have evidence of wrongdoing. Our politicians are becoming a political joke with all the corruption they have allowed and hurt our nation by doing so.
You must not have been here during the Bush Presidency. They had PLENTY to say about Bush, Republicans, conservatives and we personally, by name.
I wasn't here then and would have found it just as disappointing as I do now. Why do people who seem to condemn what others did here during the Bush years do the same now? Hypocrisy?
I wasn't here then and would have found it just as disappointing as I do now. Why do people who seem to condemn what others did here during the Bush years do the same now? Hypocrisy?
I wasn't here then and would have found it just as disappointing as I do now. Why do people who seem to condemn what others did here during the Bush years do the same now? Hypocrisy?
See, there it is right there. I believe it is perfectly acceptable to treat people the way they have treated others. The left loves to try and tie the hand of the right with the old hypocrisy loaded pointed finger of self righteousness. Because it is perfectly ok for the left to act like scumbags because they are (mostly)scumbags. Not ok for the right because they rail against scumbags and try not to be scumbags.
Analogy: Like a murderer expecting not to get killed by his victim because the victim does not believe in killing. Sorry, but IS ok to kill him.
See, there it is right there. I believe it is perfectly acceptable to treat people the way they have treated others. The left loves to try and tie the hand of the right with the old hypocrisy loaded pointed finger of self righteousness. Because it is perfectly ok for the left to act like scumbags because they are (mostly)scumbags. Not ok for the right because they rail against scumbags and try not to be scumbags.
Analogy: Like a murderer expecting not to get killed by his victim because the victim does not believe in killing. Sorry, but IS ok to kill him.
IMO the ones who take the other tack are more admirable and enlightened, it may be why people like Jesus, Ghandi, Buddha...etc are so revered by many but hey it takes all kinds as they say!
BTW your analogy seems to have a basic flaw...kind of like the riddle about in which country to bury the survivors of a plane crash that lands on the border of two lands. haha j/k I did get the point of the analogy.
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I wasn't here then and would have found it just as disappointing as I do now. Why do people who seem to condemn what others did here during the Bush years do the same now? Hypocrisy?
No. Payback.
And they can dish it out, but can't take it, just as I suspected. The *real* interesting thing was, a lot of them disappeared IMMEDIATELY after the 2008 election. When they didn't have Bush and the Republicans to bash, and they suddenly *owned* it, they DISAPPEARED. The same thing happened with most of the liberals on an airplane owner's forum I used to belong to, so it wasn't just here.
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The left loves to try and tie the hand of the right with the old hypocrisy loaded pointed finger of self righteousness. Because it is perfectly ok for the left to act like scumbags because they are (mostly)scumbags. Not ok for the right because they rail against scumbags and try not to be scumbags.
EXACTLY, red. They piled endless s*** on us, and were perfectly OK with that. Now that we give it back to them, they cry like little girls.
