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quote The June 10, 1973 issue of the New York Times quoted Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as saying, “Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!” Nearly forty years later, Meir could not have been further from the truth. Over the past several years, Israel has discovered several major oil and natural gas fields within their borders. Now in the latest discovery, a huge oil and gas field has been found just off the coast of the Israeli port city of Haifa. According to the Israel Opportunity Energy Resources L.P., the new offshore discovery is estimated to yield 1.4 billion barrels of oil and 6.7 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Ronny Halman, chairman of the company said, “The quantity of gas discovered in the licenses, and the high probabilities, make it the third largest offshore discovery to date. This quantity guarantees Israel’s energy future for decades, and makes it possible to export Israeli gas, and boost the state’s revenues without worrying about gas reserves for domestic consumption.” Oil and gas fields discovered offshore about a year ago are known as the Tamar and Leviathan fields. Tamar is expected to produce 9 trillion cubic field of natural gas and the Leviathan field will produce nearly 17 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Dr. Harold Vinegar, former chief scientist of Royal Dutch Shell commented on the Israeli finds by saying, “We estimate that there is the equivalent of 250 billion barrels of oil here. To put that in context, there are proven reserves of 260 billion barrels of oil in Saudi Arabia.” The extent of the oil reserves within Israeli territory just may end up to be the richest in the world. Not only will they provide for Israel’s energy needs for decades to come, it also places them in a position to export significant quantities to boost their economy and make them a player in the world’s oil and gas suppliers. I’ve heard and read where a number of people think that Barack Obama has been courting the friendship of Middle East Muslim nations because of their oil and that in order to accomplish this he has had to dis Israel. Now that Israel may in fact end up to be the richest oil and natural gas nation in the world, we’ll have to see how Obama reacts and if he changes course with his Middle East foreign policies. So far, he hasn’t changed and in reality I don’t expect him to as I don’t believe that his Middle East policies have been driven by oil, but by his personal deep Muslim values and his desire to destroy the U.S. as it stands now. As others have said, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

It must be time to invade the Jewish lands then, since all our endeavors in that part of the world are always and only all about the oil.

Makes me wonder about the Battle of Armageddon and the Antichrist....

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Makes me wonder about the Battle of Armageddon and the Antichrist....

Many have speculated that Israel would find oil, and bring this about.

My first live aboard sailboat was named Armageddon. I left the name on the boat even though it wasn't nautical because it's supposed to be bad luck to rename a boat. I wish that we could avoid biblical references that are presented as fact though. As an agnostic I don't accept the bible as literal fact.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: It must be time to invade the Jewish lands then, since all our endeavors in that part of the world are always and only all about the oil.

And we've got just the President to do it.

i guess now we can nuke iran and keep our big cars. we don't buy their oil, but others do.

quote Originally posted by lurker: i guess now we can nuke iran and keep our big cars. we don't buy their oil, but others do.

others? Heck, nuke them too.

Since we've always supported Israel, does this mean gas prices will go down when they start production? That'd mean OPEC and all those assholes would have less of a monopoly.

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quote Originally posted by Tinton: Since we've always supported Israel, does this mean gas prices will go down when they start production? That'd mean OPEC and all those assholes would have less of a monopoly.

I doubt that, for several reasons, one being:

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Too bad your Muslim president has done everything in his power to slight Israel since he clinched power. Good thing he has his other Islamic regimes and socialist pals such as Chavez to ensure a safe supply of oil and gas to your country.

wouldn't it be special if israel joined OPEC?

Yes, because every US president has to be extra nice to Israel. It's a country of such extraordinary importance to US interests and the $3 billion/year in military aid is just not enough. The US really has to make much more of an effort to please the leaders of this extraordinary important country. What would the US only do without Israel?

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: Too bad your Muslim president has done everything in his power to slight Israel since he clinched power. Good thing he has his other Islamic regimes and socialist pals such as Chavez to ensure a safe supply of oil and gas to your country.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: Yes, because every US president has to be extra nice to Israel. It's a country of such extraordinary importance to US interests and the $3 billion/year in military aid is just not enough. The US really has to make much more of an effort to please the leaders of this extraordinary important country. What would the US only do without Israel?

Dare I say... Predictable?

Right. I tried to make a counterpoint to loafer87gt's post. Did it work?

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Dare I say... Predictable?

israel has been our only "ally" in the middle east south of turkey for more than 50 years, and as a result we've let them get away with a lot of nonsense. i don't think we have made any more friends there, but maybe it's (overdue) time to politely but firmly ask them to clean up their act.

quote Originally posted by lurker: israel has been our only "ally" in the middle east south of turkey for more than 50 years, and as a result we've let them get away with a lot of nonsense. i don't think we have made any more friends there, but maybe it's (overdue) time to politely but firmly ask them to clean up their act.

Our allegiance with Isreal may very well be the main reason why we have so few friends in that region. Our relationship with them hasn't done much for us in the way of favors.

quote Originally posted by dratts: My first live aboard sailboat was named Armageddon. I left the name on the boat even though it wasn't nautical because it's supposed to be bad luck to rename a boat. I wish that we could avoid biblical references that are presented as fact though. As an agnostic I don't accept the bible as literal fact.

You should... it's only escapism to deny the evidence and proof in the world that God is true and that Jesus is God.

It's all around you... the countless people who have been truly saved and their lives changed. I'm sure there is probably even someone in your own family who has been saved... My life was a complete flip flop, and I know it wasn't me. I constantly sense the Lord's presence... He guides me and leads me... convicts me when I sin, pushes me to evangelize and witness. Gets me to read His Word, etc....

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: You should... it's only escapism to deny the evidence and proof in the world that God is true and that Jesus is God. It's all around you... the countless people who have been truly saved and their lives changed. I'm sure there is probably even someone in your own family who has been saved... My life was a complete flip flop, and I know it wasn't me. I constantly sense the Lord's presence... He guides me and leads me... convicts me when I sin, pushes me to evangelize and witness. Gets me to read His Word, etc....

Oh man....

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: You should... it's only escapism to deny the evidence and proof in the world that God is true and that Jesus is God.

And it says so in the bible, right?

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: You should... it's only escapism to deny the evidence and proof in the world that God is true and that Jesus is God. It's all around you... the countless people who have been truly saved and their lives changed. I'm sure there is probably even someone in your own family who has been saved... My life was a complete flip flop, and I know it wasn't me. I constantly sense the Lord's presence... He guides me and leads me... convicts me when I sin, pushes me to evangelize and witness. Gets me to read His Word, etc....

Yes, idiocy is all around us. So which being captivates you, the Zombie Jesus or the Alien God?

Sorry but I really am getting tired of people trying to pass off mythology as if it's fact and talking about people's feelings as if that's evidence.

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by addressing him, you allow him to control the conversation and earn his evangelism point for the day.

if israel has offshore oil, i wonder about lebanon and (gasp) gaza?

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: Yes, because every US president has to be extra nice to Israel. It's a country of such extraordinary importance to US interests and the $3 billion/year in military aid is just not enough. The US really has to make much more of an effort to please the leaders of this extraordinary important country. What would the US only do without Israel?

Why is this such a problem for you? Out of all the religions, races, ethnicities and tribes of the world, Israel is the only place that the Jews have to call home. It's a tiny patch of land. And every Arab country on earth, it would seem, would like to see it vaporized. I wonder why that is?
The US and its allies went to a bit of trouble on behalf of them (among others) back in the 1940s. Perhaps you heard about it?
Or maybe we should have just minded our own business?

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Why is this such a problem for you? Out of all the religions, races, ethnicities and tribes of the world, Israel is the only place that the Jews have to call home. It's a tiny patch of land. And every Arab country on earth, it would seem, would like to see it vaporized. I wonder why that is? The US and its allies went to a bit of trouble on behalf of them (among others) back in the 1940s. Perhaps you heard about it? Or maybe we should have just minded our own business?

I think it's the double standard. Israel wanted sovereignty and more land than they can actually use because it's their "holy land". The Palestinians also have claim to this land because of its holy significance to them. The funny thing is, both Israel and the US are actively trying to block the Palestinians from achieving sovereignty, as if it's their call to make. The main reason the US got behind Israel in the first place was the Judeo-Christian religious doctrines. We had very little reason to do it otherwise. Politically our allegiance with Israel has brought us more trouble than anything, and more often than not their refusal to clean up their messes has dragged us into less than positive situations. Not to mention that we're paying for absolutely nothing in return.

We gave the Palestinians' "mortal enemy" nuclear capabilities, meaning the ability to wipe them off the map, pretty much securing our role as an enemy of Palestine. I wonder why they hate us?

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: The US and its allies went to a bit of trouble on behalf of them (among others) back in the 1940s. Perhaps you heard about it?

Not to go too far off topic but this is completely untrue. Palestine was already a British protectorate since 1917/1922 and it was the British who imposed limits on Jewish immigration.

The US went into WW2 because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 and Germany and Italy's subsequent declaration of war on the US.

It seems that the allies weren't all that keen on helping the Jews, either:

quote World Response to the Holocaust In the aftermath of the Holocaust, the civilized world was shocked to see photographs of unimaginable horror; skeletons of victims stacked in piles of hundreds and thousands, living skeletons describing unspeakable brutality and atrocity, and searching for the truth as to what would permit this to occur without intervention. Could an event of this magnitude have occurred without the knowledge of the Allies? If the Allied governments knew this was taking place, why was nothing done? Why was there such deathly silence? The American press had printed scores of articles detailing mistreatment of the Jews in Germany. By 1942, many of these newspapers were reporting details of the Holocaust, stories about the mass murder of Jews in the millions. For the most part, these articles were only a few inches long, and were buried deep in the newspaper. These reports were either denied or unconfirmed by the United States government. When the United States government did receive irrefutable evidence that the reports were true, U.S. government officials suppressed the information. U.S. reconnaissance photos of the Birkenau camp in 1943 showed the lines of victims moving into the gas chambers, confirming other reports. The War Department insisted that the information be kept classified. Photographs of mass graves and mass murder, smuggled out under the most dangerous of circumstances, were also classified as secret. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill called for the death camp at Auschwitz to be bombed. He was ignored. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Jews could have been saved had the Allies agreed to bomb the death camps or the rail lines which were feeding them. Desperate for war material, the Nazis offered the British a million Jews in exchange for 10,000 trucks. When asked why he had refused to negotiate the deal, a British diplomat responded, "What would I do with one million Jews? Where would I put them?" Escaped prisoners from the death camps filed reports on what was occurring. Again, many of these reports were suppressed. Eventually, President Roosevelt, under pressure from the public, agreed to issue a statement condemning the German government for its genocidal policy against the Jews. Other support followed. The Pope requested that his diplomats help hide Hungarian Jews. In September 1944, the British bombed factories and the railroad lines of Auschwitz. Could actions of the Allies have prevented the Holocaust or limited the destruction of six million Jews and five million other innocent civilians? There is no question that the silence and inaction of the world community in the face of irrefutable evidence resulted in the senseless loss of millions of lives. ]http://www.remember.org/wi...wit.res.html

EDIT: This is NOT meant to be apologetic regarding the holocaust, just making a historical point.

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Seams like some people are upset the Jews have oil. I figured this thread would bring out some anti Semites.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: I figured this thread would bring out some anti Semites.

[sarcasm] Yep, of course you are right. Only possible explanation. [/sarcasm]

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Seems like some people are upset the Jews have oil. I figured this thread would bring out some anti Semites.

i'm not seeing that here. i'm sure there are a few antisemites on PFF, but the discussion seems centered on the complex and often troubled relationship between the US and israel. sometimes we like to think (and policy reflects) that Israel is our friend, and that may be true, but it's israel's primary interest to look after Israel. and of course there is plenty of debate among Israelis themselves as to what is in their best interest.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: Yes, because every US president has to be extra nice to Israel. It's a country of such extraordinary importance to US interests and the $3 billion/year in military aid is just not enough. The US really has to make much more of an effort to please the leaders of this extraordinary important country. What would the US only do without Israel?

You know what other german said things about jews?

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quote Originally posted by Tinton: You know what other german said things about jews?

you mean that housepainter from austria?

quote Originally posted by Tinton: You know what other german said things about jews?

I have no idea what you're referring to but I'm sure you thought it very witty.

I was talking about the state of Israel and the strange relationship the US has with that country. You are talking about a religious group, not me. As I have stated before, all religions are equally weird to me, I have no prejudices there.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: I have no idea what you're referring to but I'm sure you thought it very witty. I was talking about the state of Israel and the strange relationship the US has with that country. You are talking about a religious group, not me. As I have stated before, all religions are equally weird to me, I have no prejudices there.

Godwin's Rule. The idea that if a thread has enough activity to have almost unlimited replies, eventually one will involve Hitler. Its a meme on the internet if you don't know.

quote Originally posted by Tinton: Its a meme on the internet if you don't know.

Oh, I know! Reductio ad hitlerum. Still stupid, though.

Wow! can this really be true?

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Drive safely!

It sounds like good news, especially for Israelis.

But it's not clear from this one report (OP) as to how much of this is gas and how much is oil.

I was reading a little about this last night on a Chevron page.

I think (from what I read) that it is theoretically possible to convert natural gas into gasoline/diesel, and that it is even being done already commercially--but not on any large scale.

So the future in Israel may look brighter for lots of electric vehicles drawing their power from natural-gas fired electrical plants, as opposed to just "filling up with gasoline" like the Saudis do.