I know I am on a self-imposed hiatus to avoid the political discussions and their usual participants, but I just had to stop in to express my disappointment in a large amount of my fellow ex-Americans ( ‘ex’ as I totally disavow them at this point. They no longer deserve to call themselves Americans ). Those that chose to continue down the path with a egotistical socialist maniac bent on total destruction of this country and what it stands for.
This is the group that have now clearly chosen to stand in a line for a government handout ( while it lasts ) instead of standing up on their own and excelling. The group that has chosen oppression and restrictions over freedoms and liberties. Chosen to essentially piss on the graves of those that have sacrificed so much over the generations to build this great nation. You are disgusting, every last one of you, and I sincerely hope that when the revolution comes ( and it is coming don’t doubt me on that ) that you and your families are the first against the wall.
Feel free to comment/flame as I know some of you will ( and you know who you are ), but it will be a waste of your energy and useless words, as once I return from my time away ( assuming you pinko cowards don’t ban me while I’m gone ) I simply refuse to read comments from traitors. But still feel free to spew stupidity as much as you like. I’m sure the people who chose the right way will find amusement in it.
And for those who did support freedom, remember the fight is not over and never give up hope, however the darkest days for this country are still to come as this abomination in Washington systematically undoes all that has been accomplished before.
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Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
I agree. Not much to say. He won the votes of most women, most college students, most blacks and Hispanics. He didnt win with males over 30 who are most of the business owners in the country. That says something.
They all deserve what they get now. Just like in the wake of Sandy, people were told to get out of the way and those who didnt paid a high price. He will be far worse this term because he cant run again and has nothing to lose. Nuf said.
Obama needs to build a legacy and does not have the burden to run for re-election. So he will be Clintonized, because he has to compromise to get anything done.
He won't give up taxing the rich, that is for sure but for most all other economic issue he will turn right. But I'm much more optimistic about the future than any Republican feels today.
But the Republicans won't ever get a chance to win the Presidency in the future because of shifting Demographics of our country will turn even sharper towards more immigrants and more independent women. If Republicans don't compromise on immigration like Baby Bush and Reagan tried to do and drop the insidious anti-choice single-issue voters, then expect them to always be a permanent minority.
Romney/Ryan lost on the anti-choice stance, clear and simple.
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Everything Ive seen said the biggest influence was the views on the economy. Ohio apparently was very much for the auto bailout, and had a lot to do with voting here according to local news.
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
I didn't vote for Obama either time. I didn't vote for McCain or Romney either. I would be a republican if they would get their head out of their ass on the social issues. I don't see that happening though and I believe that is why they will be on the downslide until another party takes their place.
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Everything Ive seen said the biggest influence was the views on the economy. Ohio apparently was very much for the auto bailout, and had a lot to do with voting here according to local news.
It is going to be interesting when the government money runs out, and the anti-coal regulations kick in. I wonder how the voters will feel then?
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Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. Ronald Reagan
Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. For the person who is unwilling to grow up, the person who does not want to carry is own weight, this is a frightening prospect. Eleanor Roosevelt
Our greatest happiness does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits. Thomas Jefferson
It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by Nurb I sincerely hope that when the revolution comes ( and it is coming don’t doubt me on that ) that you and your families are the first against the wall.
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Originally posted by Lambo nut: If you voted for Obamass, you brought on the ill will yourself. Good luck to you all.
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wow. truly disgusting tones of killing me & my family.
PFF or not - folk like you .......
again, just hope it is the moment talking.
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Pappy Member
Posts: 842 From: Land of Confusion Registered: Apr 2010
I agree. Not much to say. He won the votes of most women, most college students, most blacks and Hispanics. .
In other words, morons. Uneducated people who have no idea what built this country. Welcome to the Soviet States of America. Get your guns while they are still legal, a new revolution may be required if the next 4 years look as bad as the last 4.
The sad part is that I used to have faith in the intelligence of the average American and chalked 2008 up to an anomaly. McCain was a lack luster candidate and Obama was stylish and the first African American to win his Parties' nomination. The "cool" factor had to be the solution I summized. But now I have to readily accept that the average American is an uneducated sheep. Is the education system to blame? Is the Hollywood culture to blame? When people with 2 digit IQs are allowed to have a say in who is in power you will end up with 2 digit IQ Leaders. Oh well, get used to high unemplyment for an ever increasing record number of months and years, Atlas will shrug at some point.
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Originally posted by Toddster: In other words, morons. Uneducated people who have no idea what built this country. Welcome to the Soviet States of America. Get your guns while they are still legal, a new revolution may be required if the next 4 years look as bad as the last 4.
The sad part is that I used to have faith in the intelligence of the average American and chalked 2008 up to an anomaly. McCain was a lack luster candidate and Obama was stylish and the first African American to win his Parties' nomination. The "cool" factor had to be the solution I summized. But now I have to readily accept that the average American is an uneducated sheep. Is the education system to blame? Is the Hollywood culture to blame? When people with 2 digit IQs are allowed to have a say in who is in power you will end up with 2 digit IQ Leaders. Oh well, get used to high unemplyment for an ever increasing record number of months and years, Atlas will shrug at some point.
yes. apparantly you dont have any idea what built this country. the guns will be legal. and, McCain was a MUCH better candidate than Romney. and, go ahead Atlas - shrug - walk away.
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Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
In other words, morons. Uneducated people who have no idea what built this country. Welcome to the Soviet States of America. Get your guns while they are still legal, a new revolution may be required if the next 4 years look as bad as the last 4.
The sad part is that I used to have faith in the intelligence of the average American and chalked 2008 up to an anomaly. McCain was a lack luster candidate and Obama was stylish and the first African American to win his Parties' nomination. The "cool" factor had to be the solution I summized. But now I have to readily accept that the average American is an uneducated sheep. Is the education system to blame? Is the Hollywood culture to blame? When people with 2 digit IQs are allowed to have a say in who is in power you will end up with 2 digit IQ Leaders. Oh well, get used to high unemplyment for an ever increasing record number of months and years, Atlas will shrug at some point.
Two problems... Romney, the person, and Romney's plan. The majority of the voting population did not believe in this guy or his sales pitch. Why do people want to blame the voters... call them stupid, etc when the problem is within the republican party?
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
Ok then, shoo. Go. It's obvious you only "love your country" when its convenient and your guy wins, so hit the road, Jack.I suppose you are gonna tell me you act this way because you love America... a guy who wants to leave it because he did not get his way. Crybaby.
Originally posted by tbone42: Ok then, shoo. Go. It's obvious you only "love your country" when its convenient and your guy wins, so hit the road, Jack.I suppose you are gonna tell me you act this way because you love America... a guy who wants to leave it because he did not get his way. Crybaby.
Time to put their big boy pants on and help their beloved country instead of crapping all over it. I'm not a fan of our current leader but doesn't mean all he does is wrong or that I feel like giving up!
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
You just classified women, college students, blacks, and Hispanics as morons. I have always thought that you were an intelligent person who had opinions that I didn't agree with. I am now going to have to reconsider that view.
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In other words, morons. Uneducated people who have no idea what built this country. Welcome to the Soviet States of America. Get your guns while they are still legal, a new revolution may be required if the next 4 years look as bad as the last 4.
The sad part is that I used to have faith in the intelligence of the average American and chalked 2008 up to an anomaly. McCain was a lack luster candidate and Obama was stylish and the first African American to win his Parties' nomination. The "cool" factor had to be the solution I summized. But now I have to readily accept that the average American is an uneducated sheep. Is the education system to blame? Is the Hollywood culture to blame? When people with 2 digit IQs are allowed to have a say in who is in power you will end up with 2 digit IQ Leaders. Oh well, get used to high unemplyment for an ever increasing record number of months and years, Atlas will shrug at some point.
You just classified women, college students, blacks, and Hispanics as morons. I have always thought that you were an intelligent person who had opinions that I didn't agree with. I am now going to have to reconsider that view.
No he didn't. You're the one putting up the pie chart this time around.
There are women, college students, Black people, and Hispanic people who all voted for Romney.
Todd talked about Obama supporters. I don't agree with his blanket term of putting them all into uneducated status but I have to just say he didn't say anything you just claimed him to say.
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Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
When people with 2 digit IQs are allowed to have a say in who is in power ...
So you, with your superior intellect, would disenfranchise 50% of the American electorate? Such is the credo of every petty dictator the world has ever known. But first we must to kill all the foreigners, intellectuals, and journalists ... all those with 3-digit IQs ... because such men (and women) can be dangerous.
Me? I would be content just to deny the vote to anyone with an IQ lower than my own.
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
He quoted Roger garrisons post and called them all morons. I didn't make anything up.
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No he didn't. You're the one putting up the pie chart this time around.
There are women, college students, Black people, and Hispanic people who all voted for Romney.
Todd talked about Obama supporters. I don't agree with his blanket term of putting them all into uneducated status but I have to just say he didn't say anything you just claimed him to say.
Not much to say. He won the votes of most women, most college students, most blacks and Hispanics.
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In other words, morons. Uneducated people who have no idea what built this country. When people with 2 digit IQs are allowed to have a say in who is in power you will end up with 2 digit IQ Leaders.
Wow, that's difficult to comment on without either laughing or gasping. Unbelievable...
A new low for Toddster, which I didn't think was possible.
Thankfully, megalomaniac psychopaths such as Todd are usually shunned, locked up, or heavily medicated before they can achieve positions of influence or authority.
I've been "away" from the forum for a while. Not only because I got a bit sick and tired with the drama recently, but also because I've been extremely busy with my work these past few months. I'm currently working on building a website for one of the world's largest pharmaceuticals. The "back end" of this website is incredibly complex any I've been working on average 14-16 hours each day for the past few months. This work is incredibly complex and - not to toot my own horn - there aren't many people that can do this job.
So you would think that: big job + big company + not many people that can do this = making a lot of money.
Unfortunately, I live in a socialist country. I fall in the category the government feels needs to be taxed more. And receive less benefits. Because they think that since I have a business I can easily pay my own taxes and benefits and the taxes and benefits for those that don't have a job.
The odd thing is that in the end, the guy who is sitting at home doing nothing, is making more money than I am working 16 hours a day. Paying the bills each month is becoming increasingly difficult and we've been on the verge of bankruptcy a few times already. We can't afford any extras. We can no longer afford taking a vacation (or taking a break for that matter) while our employees take a 3 week holiday each year. Yes, our employees (who work at most 36 hours a week) also make more money than we do.
What the government doesn't seem to grasp, is that businesses are the pillars of the economy. We are the ones creating jobs. Take away our money and we can't afford to hire people (anymore) and unemployment will rise. This is the socialist way. It doesn't work. It has never worked. It will never work.
But the problem is that this is a vicious circle. With a socialist government, eventually more people will be "poor" because either there will be less jobs available, or the same amount of work is going to be spread out over more workers. And these "poor" of course will vote in the next election for a socialist government since they will tell those people not to worry, they'll just take some more money from the "rich". Which in turn will lead to more unemployed people who are going to vote for a socialist government, and so on. Once you are in that spiral, it's incredibly difficult to come out of it.
This is what is happening in Europe right now. As it turns out, the governments have been giving away money ("social benefits") while the source (the "rich" companies) had dried up. Even so, the socialist are trying to squeeze every last cent out of that group. The result is that big companies are fleeing the continent and people like me (and my wife since she is a business owner as well) are the government's new target. But even so, everybody looses. Since there's no money left for the government to steal anymore, our social benefits are shrinking rapidly. The quality of healthcare is dropping rapidly and is becoming increasingly expensive. Unemployment rises and the educated workforce is fleeing the country. What's left are people unable to support an economy.
Back to the topic at hand.
Obama thinks he can save the economy by doing exactly what Europe has proven doesn't work. He can no longer point at Europe and say "See? It works!". Instead he points at his "accomplishments". He points at the decreasing number of unemployed people in the past few years. What he fails to mention is that the number of unemployed had increased dramatically first. It's now at the same level as when he became president. USA's luck was that Europe fell into the Euro crisis. This made the Euro weak and the Dollar stronger.
Yesterday I watched a program on Dutch TV, from a pro-Obama network even, and even they couldn't understand why Obama even stood a chance to get re-elected. With so many broken promises, an so little accomplishments (Obamacare isn't an accomplishment as we have proven). But it's the vicious circle I spoke off earlier. More people with less income will vote for the one promising to take it from the rich and give it to the poor. And Obama added a few million voters only 6 months back: the families of a few million illegal now legal Mexicans.
In short, I'm incredibly disappointed that he was reelected. He has been hurting your country the past 4 years and I really hope that he doesn't, as he says so himself, "finish the job". I believe with all my heart that Romney would have been able to save your economy. And a growing US economy is what Europe needs to crawl out of our crisis. We need you to start consuming again.
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Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
