Here is the deal, I would like to offer these up for sale since I need to get another one made anyhow. The last batch that I had made, I had 2 made of each at a time. Since then I have had one more person interested in buying them. So I will take pictures of the items that I have allready had made plus pictures of them installed on my car so that you can see what they look like installed. The dobone that I am offering may need minor modifications to get it to fit, especially because different engine mounts make it fit in different places. If need be proper measurements are made and if you cant get it to work the way it comes, you can send it back and I will have it re-welded for free to fit the dimensions that are given. Otherwise it is easy enough to re-weld on your own. I have had to do this to mine before when I changed from WCF mounts to Rodney Dickmans mounts. It really isnt a big deal, and aside from shipping it will be a free "modification" for you. The P/S eliminator and A/C eliminators are a direct fit, only possibly needing shimming of the pulley to keep the belt aligned properly (washers are included for that). All other bolts ETC are not included as I am trying to offer these at a low cost, but if you woul like to add $3 more per item purchased i could go to the hardware store and pick up the nessicary hardware to install. Otherwise you can find all nessicary hardware at your local hardware store though as it is just bolts washers and nuts. For the pullies you will need the actual pulley (gates P/N 38024 and also Napa P/N NBH38024) which costs about $25.00 a piece and you need one for the P/S eliminator and one for the A/C eliminator. I can purchase these for you but of course it will add $25 dollars to the tab.

I am asking $45 for each piece or $125 for the whole set of three ($10 discount for buying all of the pieces). Keep in mind all of them include lathe work and custom cutting and the dogbone requires welding, that is more than a fair price when you consider rodney is selling his adjustable dogbone for $55. Shipping is not included and will have to be figured out before the payment is shipped, so please contact me via posting in this thread, PM's, or e-mail before you send payment. Paypal and money orders are accepted. Email (dont send paypal payments here!!!) is j_depies@hotmail.com

Here are pictures...

The A/C eliminator installed:

I relocated the bolt hole on the Dogbone mount from the factory position because I liked the dogbone moved further up to place it on less of an angle and to make sure there are no clearnace issues with the cam timing belt cover. This also offers adjustment to the length because since you are drilling a new hole anyhow you can drill it with the correct offset to make the dogbone fit:

A basic shot of the dobone installed:

As you can see the dogbone attaches to the engine lift bracket, but it sandwiches it for more stability and to resist twisting on the engine lift bracket. I figure that attaching to that location is more than safe because i beat the living hell out of my car (on a daily basis) and it is yet to budge. It attaches to the timing belt area and the head.

heres some basic shots of the P/S eliminator:

Here is a shot of all of the pieces not installed on the car. Note that the plastic pulley is not included, it is just pictured so that you know what you need.

more pictures on next post....

[This message has been edited by fieromadman (edited 02-02-2006).]

This part of the dogbone sticks through the lift bracket for a close fit and to add stability because it is sandwiched by another piece of aluminum on the other side:

On the other side of the dogbone is an aluminum bushing, to keep the engine from rocking back and forth too much and to minimize losses due to engine movement while shifting. This bushing is easily removed and replaced by rubber or polyurethane if wanted.

An example of the quality welds and also a picture of the bracing on the dogbone.

The two pieces of the P/S eliminator...

The three pieces of the A/C eliminator (the piece to the left side goes on the opposite side of the pulley to make sure that you arent placing pressure on the pulley where it shouldnt have pressure.

The plastic pulley that makes the A/C and P/S eliminators work...

Thats all the info that I have.. I would like to put together an order by mid February, and remeber this isnt a group buy it is just easier on my fabricator for me to have him make them in mass quantities instead of individually. I am having at least one of each made allready, so its not like the deal isnt going to go through if only one other person is interested.

hmm i'm very interested ..how much ...sorry if you have already posted a price ...would like to know and i plan to do a 3.4dohc build ...thanks

matt

Edit* ...i took a second look at saw ...parden me for skimming ...umm but the only think i would need would be the A/C and P/S eminnators ..so how much would that be ..thanks

matt

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quote Originally posted by Carswell...Wellscar: Edit* ...i took a second look at saw ...parden me for skimming ...umm but the only think i would need would be the A/C and P/S eminnators ..so how much would that be ..thanks matt

Dude, it clearly states how much for each piece.

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yes..but i don't need just one or the whole package ...he may give me a deal or a different price for the 2 pullys

[This message has been edited by Carswell...Wellscar (edited 02-01-2006).]

No I cant really give you a deal for the 2, the reason that i can give the deal for the whole package is because with more to do the fabricator can be more efficient and since he charges by the hour it saves me a little money and that money saved i can pass on to you. So long answer made short, no i cant give you a discount, im barely making anything on them in the first place. Sorry. if you look at other custom brackets and ETC these prices are REALLY good.

do you accept paypal?? i already made my own a/c eliminator and i know how much fabrication cost. i do not think i could make a pws eliminator for that price. as long as the necessary shims are included, i will take the pws eliminator. i will not haggle $45 sounds fair to me. pm me and we can do business. also i will pay extra for bolts if not included. i figure what ever i would spend on them would be cheaper than the time i would have to take out to go to the hardware store to get them.

lastly, what is the OD of the plastic pulley you have on hand for the pws kit?? i may get my own for that and just run the smallest pulley possible while not compromising belt tension on the surrounding accessories and run a shorter belt to compansate.

p.s. is it made of aluminum? it looks like aluminum but i just figured i would make sure.

[This message has been edited by dohcfiend (edited 02-01-2006).]

dohcfiend, the PS eliminator is made out of aluminum. The bracket on the A/C eliminator is made out of steel, although it could be changed to aluminum and everything besides the bushings on the dogbone is steel. I guess that I could include bolts for you, maybe $3 extra? The outer dimension of that pulley is 4 3/8". With that pulley on the A/C the hole needs to be offest to keep the tension the same with the stock belt (allready done), but with the power steering it should be the same size compared to the stock pulley.

[This message has been edited by fieromadman (edited 02-01-2006).]

hmm guess i should have read your post completely, seen your paypal addy now. after looking at the setup i guess the size would make a difference for tension on the wp pulley. do you have an extra plastic pulley too? if so how much for that included? shipping priority w/delivery confirmation to zip 23002. lmk and i'll get the $$$ to you asap. thanx.bobby.

Actually that is NOT my paypal e-mail address. I will have to send that seperate. I dont have any extra pullies laying around, but I could get some bought I suppose. i know that dayco and gates make them. With tax I can get them for $25 a piece. Not cheap, I know. So all together with the plastic pulley and aluminum brackets and hardware (nuts bolts and washers for shimming) it would be $73 for your power steering pulley. Anyone else that would like me to buy the plasitc pulley/hardware I guess that I could do that as well.

Thanks!
Jeff Depies

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well lol i wasn't really looking for a deal but never hurts to ask and you never answered my other question ..i asked maybe i could get a deal or you could tell me the price of the two pulley sets ...lol ..oh well i hope u can answer that this time or my math is correct it would be $90 for the two pulleys ...and a question you may or not be able to answer...this is probably stupid question and could probably answer it myself but since you have more experiance with the engine ..but i'm assuming that if i wanted to that for plastic pulleys i could just use the old ones from the A/C unit and the powersteering unit that would be with my engine??

thanks
matt

No you cannot use those pullies on the brackets that I make. The A/C one is really really connected and of completly different design than mine. The power steering one is simular but doesnt have and bearings in it and has a shaft connected to it so you could also NOT use that one.

Sorry, yes the two would be 90 dollars together. If you wanted me to get you the plastic pullies that go with them it would be $140 total because 45 for each bracket and 25 for each plastic pulley. if you would like I could also get you the hardware for both pieces for $6 total, so $3 a piece. That would make the total $146 plus shipping. That would be EVERYTHING that you need to put these on, with really next to no profit from me and very little hassle for you. But if you just wanted the brackets pieces themselves without the plastic pullies and without the hardware it would be $90 plus shipping.

Thanks!
Jeff Depies

oh ya i think i might try to find some plastic pullies here ..if you could maybe give me the product # of the ones i would need to use that would be great ...and umm couldn't i just use all the nuts and bolts from the A/C and the P/S ...or no ??

if not then i'll take a hardware kits and throw in an extra $10 for your help and so u can make some money ....umm when would you like or need the money? ...got to go to bed ..so maybe i'll see a msg tomorrow morning and remember i live in canada ..so yeah ..thanks

matt

Allright, I dont think that you can use the hardware off of your P/S or A/C. I think that the bolts on the A/C thread into the compressor and dont have nuts on them so you would be spending far too much time looking for a nut to fit the bolt, you should just buy the new bolts and nuts to match so you know what you are looking for. I dont know about the P/S pump, its been over a year since I've dealt with either of those items. I would suggest getting the hardware from me because it will just save you the trouble and besides that you will need the bolts that go through the pullies in the first place.

So right now were looking at 96 dollars plus shipping. And I didnt mean that Im not making ANYTHING on these, I just meant that Im not making alot at all. You can save your 10 and put it somewhere else in the swap, besides who knows what shipping will be. I would like payment here by mid to the end of next week so I have an idea of what Im going to need made. If you give me your address I could get the shipping figured out and give you a total ammount.

I have posted the part number allready in this thread but i'll post it again. It is Gates P/N 38024 and also Napa P/N NBH38024.

------UPDATE FOR EVERYONE INTERESTED------
When I was getting the second part number just now I noticed that ltlfrari showed that in order to make the bottom bolt hole work he had to grind off part of the cast piece. Now I cant really remember why, maybe because it was a PITA or maybe because it was rubbing on the pulley, but I didnt use a bolt in the bottom hole of the bracket. Now I have been running this idler for almost 2 years and have had no problems not running a bolt in the bottom hole. However, if you wish to run a bolt in the bottom hole, you can follow the directions here: http://www.dohcfiero.com/daveidler.htm or you can just look there to see how to make the idler or install the idler period. Like I said though I'm not making much money at all on this so finding someone else to fabricate it you wouldnt be gaining much money back, possibly even paying more since my fabricator is doing this on the side. Also, I just checked napa online to see if there was a better deal for the pulley there and it was the same price, you can see it here: http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=NBH&PartNumber=38024&Description=Drivebelt+Idler+Pulley

[This message has been edited by fieromadman (edited 02-02-2006).]

ok so i'll PM you my address so you can give me an idea on how much shipping would be

matt

I bought the factory AC Delete pulley and bracket for 40 bucks at Bumper to Bumper.

I do need a PS Delete though.

got the pm carswell, i'll let you know soon what shipping would cost. probalbly this weekend.

dohc swapper, would you like to purchase the p/s delete pulley? im not sure by your statement....

quote Originally posted by fieromadman: got the pm carswell, i'll let you know soon what shipping would cost. probalbly this weekend. dohc swapper, would you like to purchase the p/s delete pulley? im not sure by your statement....

Sorry muai engrish nut so gud. lol... i would like a PS delete.... any chance that one hole could be re engineered so its not so close to the edge? Awesome. Thanks.

which hole would you like to have re-engineered? I would definatly prefer to not do that as i know what i am making now works. if your talking about the center hole that the pulley actually goes on it is offset towards the top to account for the difference in the diameter of the pullies from stock p/s to the eliminator pulley. I guess you are going to have to be more specific.

Thanks,
Jeff

quote Originally posted by fieromadman: which hole would you like to have re-engineered? I would definatly prefer to not do that as i know what i am making now works. if your talking about the center hole that the pulley actually goes on it is offset towards the top to account for the difference in the diameter of the pullies from stock p/s to the eliminator pulley. I guess you are going to have to be more specific. Thanks, Jeff

ok in this pic: https://images.fiero.nl/pffimages/fab12.jpg the hole at the top of the picture.

I cant have them made that way, besides the hole that you are reffering to that has it cut close to the hole is the bottom one that i have not even put a bolt into. Also the casting on the timing belt cover thingy makes it so that you have to cut it close, maybe not that close but i had to modify my original allready, and these are slightly revised (as in not cut so close) compared to my original. I could see about not cutting one so close for you, but I cant gaurentee the fitament of it. You may have to cut it down yourself if we do that.

so the hardware includes the bolts to bolt the eminators on and to bolt the pulley as well??

maybe a little premature but on the PWS eliminator...............................SOLD. paypal was sent a few minutes ago. thanx jeff.

quote Originally posted by dohcfiend: maybe a little premature but on the PWS eliminator...............................SOLD. paypal was sent a few minutes ago. thanx jeff.

He has as many as is needed so, if anyone else wants these parts, they are still available. I am only posting this so people don't get the wrong impression and think that there was only the one that dohcfiend bought.

Ok, heres what i got so far for people interested in purchsing..

Carswell- Power steering and a/c pullies (hardware?)

DOHC_SWAPPER- Power steering pulley

dohcfiend- power steering eliminator, hardware for that, and the plastic pulley- PAID

Carswell, yes the hardware kit includes ALL the bolts for the pulley setup. The only thing that you would need at that point then would be the plastic piece for the belt to actually ride on.

DOHC_SWAPPER- I can have one of those made with more material around the bolt hole. I just wont gaurentee that you wont have to grind off some of the excess material.

And yes, to give the official word, I can have unlimited ammounts of these pullies made.

Thanks for the interest, if I get the formal go ahead from Carswell and DOHC_SWAPPER I'll figure shipping and send you guys PM's so I can get them made.

-Jeff Depies

i'm game ...with the hardware too ..so as u said $96

thanks
matt

fieromadman

PM Sent.

I recieved and responded to all of the PM's

I will have shipping ammounts on wednesday, because I work all day monday and tuesday.

I'm only waiting on a response from DOHC_SWAPPER, btw DOHC_SWAPPER, you have a PM

I'm intrested in the dogbone. . . . is this still available?

Matt J

Yes the dogbone is still availible. If you would like a copy please reply by tuesday night though otherwise it wont happen with this group. I just need to know your address and whether or not you would like hardware with that. The hardware is $3 extra over the $45 dollars for the dogbone.

Thanks!
Jeff Depies

P.S. feel free to PM me your address.

so did you figure how much it would cost to ship to me in canada? and what is your paypal account?

thanks
matt

for me its gonna be $96 + shipping

No I said that I wouldnt know untill wednesday, by the time that I get off work all of the shipping places are closed, but I have of wednesday so I will find out then.

I have all of the totals and what parts are wanted by who written down, all i have to do is weigh the items then get estimates. Im thinking that shipping to canada will be considerably more than the u.s. unfortunatly, but we'll see.

thanks again!

MRJ, you have a P.M.

When determining the shipping to Canada please use USPS rather than UPS. UPS charges a $40.00 brokerage fee, OUCH!

Thanks
Nolan

Yes I was planning on going to the post office and not UPS because of that.

Thanks for the heads up though!

-Jeff

On my way out the door to get shipping prices now. Everyone should know the totals by the end of the night! Going to contact the fabricator today and tell him to start making the pieces as well so hopefully in about 2 weeks you'll have them. Remember, he is doing this on the side for me so it will take a little bit longer than usual.

Thanks again!
Jeff Depies

Jeff:

I sent the payment, did you receive it?

Nolan

Yeah I recieved it, thanks!

Paypal sent! I can't wait to see the final product. Do I need to send a length or what? Just curious. I'd like to mount it on the stock motor mount holes though.

Matt Jackson

Yes, I could have one made to your custom length. I need a measurement from the center of the hole you plan on using on the chasis to the center of the lift bracket hole. That way I can give it to my fabricator and he'll know the length to make it. I can do this for anyone that is interested in getting it custom fit right away. Remember though, I still feel that it is best to re-drill the hole further up on the chasis side of that bracket so that it sits at less of an angle. You can test the physics of that by pressing your arm horizontal to the wall and seeing it not move VS at an angle and seeing it move when you apply pressure.

Thanks!
Jeff