Just as soon as I typed "ALL SOLD", I got a call from the shop. They got an email from someone with 198 MORE JUST LIKE 'EM
Brand NEW, Getrag 282/NVG-T550, 3.94 ratio, Quad 4 bellhousing. $750.00ea. Shipping is $65.00-$75.00. I need to buy them in lots of six (6), so I will ask for a non-refundable $250.00 deposit on all orders until six (6) total orders have been placed. The balance will be due at that time.
Let me know.
Jeff Ianitello Engineered Performance Atlanta, GA.[/i]
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Not for v-8? Yah, never heard of a SBC car with low gears... ??? Never heard of a SBC car NOT running at least a 3.73, 3.90, 4.11... Anyway, the difference btw 3.61 and 3.94 is about 400rpm in high gear. and 1st-3rd gear ratios are the exact same as the Fiero Getrag, 3.50/2.05/1.38. Fourth is a little shorter, 1.03 which gives about 10mph less, but pulls like a S.O.B., and 5th is the same.
Anyway, the bellhousings are interchangeable, so you can bolt on the Fiero bellhousing and drop it right in the car. You will need the Dickman shift conversion for FWD trans-Fiero still b/c the Quad shift shaft is about 1" shorter.
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Originally posted by ray b:
bad news wrong bolt patern and gearing for V8//scv6's about the 6 speed price but with out the extra costs of the 6 speed still needs roddneys adpts
good stronger spider gears and better gearing for dohc 4/6 motors
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Originally posted by pontiacjeff: Not for v-8? Yah, never heard of a SBC car with low gears... ??? Never heard of a SBC car NOT running at least a 3.73, 3.90, 4.11
The Getrag (even with the 3.65) with a V8 will blow through 1st gear so quickly as to make it nearly worthless. Same with a 3800SC.
I'm with the others. These are waaay better suited to higher revving "cammer" engines. 3.4 DOHC, Northstar, Ecotec, etc.
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typhoon Member
Posts: 1006 From: The Peoples Republic of Wisconsin Registered: Sep 2005
The Getrag (even with the 3.65) with a V8 will blow through 1st gear so quickly as to make it nearly worthless. Same with a 3800SC.
I'm with the others. These are waaay better suited to higher revving "cammer" engines. 3.4 DOHC, Northstar, Ecotec, etc.
Ya, I blow thru 1st gear with my 2.0L Grand Am turbo, too, and it's the 3.50/3.61FDR. So, it's a killer holeshot. Plus with the 3.94, you are able to launch a v-8 in 2nd gear.
ANYWAY, for those interested in a brand new Getrag 3.94FDR, please stand up to be counted. This deal won;t last forever.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Originally posted by typhoon: IMHO people that say this have never driven a V8 Fiero....The Getrag works fantastic with a V8.
Yeah, okay. I haven't. At least not a SBC with a Getrag. I have heard a lot of opinions from people who have driven V8s with Getrags, though. To the point that Will was looking to have different gearsets made, with a higher first gear.
All differing opinions, though. I'll be quiet now. Please. Carry on.
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KurtAKX Member
Posts: 4008 From: West Bloomfield, MI Registered: Feb 2002
Not for v-8? Yah, never heard of a SBC car with low gears... ??? Never heard of a SBC car NOT running at least a 3.73, 3.90, 4.11... Anyway, the difference btw 3.61 and 3.94 is about 400rpm in high gear. and 1st-3rd gear ratios are the exact same as the Fiero Getrag, 3.50/2.05/1.38. Fourth is a little shorter, 1.03 which gives about 10mph less, but pulls like a S.O.B., and 5th is the same.
Anyway, the bellhousings are interchangeable, so you can bolt on the Fiero bellhousing and drop it right in the car. You will need the Dickman shift conversion for FWD trans-Fiero still b/c the Quad shift shaft is about 1" shorter.
Well, Jeff, this sounds like a great deal and all but I would like to point out that the small block cars with 3.73s and 4.10s and stuff are in cars with TH350s and 700R4s which have 2.52 and 3.06 first gear ratios, respectively. This means that the effective gear ratio of a TH350 with 4.10 gear is 10.33:1 whereas a 3.50 first with a 3.94 equates to 13.79:1 (1.33 times the gear and in a lighter car with smaller diameter tires of 24-25" versus 26-28" in full size V8 cars) To be fair every Fiero manual trans has waaayyy more gear than you need for any V8.
Well, Jeff, this sounds like a great deal and all but I would like to point out that the small block cars with 3.73s and 4.10s and stuff are in cars with TH350s and 700R4s which have 2.52 and 3.06 first gear ratios, respectively. This means that the effective gear ratio of a TH350 with 4.10 gear is 10.33:1 whereas a 3.50 first with a 3.94 equates to 13.79:1 (1.33 times the gear and in a lighter car with smaller diameter tires of 24-25" versus 26-28" in full size V8 cars) To be fair every Fiero manual trans has waaayyy more gear than you need for any V8.
Good luck with the sale!
You couldn't be more right! That's why the 2nd gear 2.05/3.94FDR makes a much better low gear than the 1st gear 3.50/3.61FDR!
Actually, the ideal Getrag IMHO, and what I plan to build for my car, is to build a 3.94FDR with the 2.19 2nd gear out of the Sunbird/GA 2.0 turbo (RPO code MG1)
I am going to make an offer tomorrow.
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Posts: 7403 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
Not for v-8? Yah, never heard of a SBC car with low gears... ??? Never heard of a SBC car NOT running at least a 3.73, 3.90, 4.11...
thats like saying that anyone who wears air-jordans can dunk - you can't just talk about the final drive gear and think that makes t hem equal -- you are comparing a FWD tranny to a rwd tranny with detached final drive in the differential and completely different gearing inside the tranny. you can only compare over-all drive ratios per gear not just final drives.
thats like saying that anyone who wears air-jordans can dunk - you can't just talk about the final drive gear and think that makes t hem equal -- you are comparing a FWD tranny to a rwd tranny with detached final drive in the differential and completely different gearing inside the tranny. you can only compare over-all drive ratios per gear not just final drives.
Very good observation!
The 3.94FDR reduces the gear-spread between shifts by allowing the engine to rev quicker in ANY forward gear (esp the extreme drop from 1st-2nd). Quicker rev = faster acceleration, period. 4cyl, V-6, or V-8. How fast do you want to go?
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kennn Member
Posts: 272 From: Green Valley, AZ USA Registered: Apr 2006
pontiacjeff, first, I'm very interested. I've got an '88 Getrag that needs rebuilding. A new trans? One with an internal slave? Sounds good to me. One curiosity, however, my trans does not have an interchangeable bellhousing. Are you saying that the trans you're speaking of has an interchangeable bellhousing? If so, where could I get one to fit my pattern? Any pics? Thanks.
pontiacjeff, first, I'm very interested. I've got an '88 Getrag that needs rebuilding. A new trans? One with an internal slave? Sounds good to me. One curiosity, however, my trans does not have an interchangeable bellhousing. Are you saying that the trans you're speaking of has an interchangeable bellhousing? If so, where could I get one to fit my pattern? Any pics? Thanks.
Your trans does have a changeable bellhousing. The transmission case is two pieces, the front half IS the bellhousing. You would split the two transmissions in half and re-assemble using your bellhousing on the new transmission. You do need to check the pre-load on the differential and possibly change a shim due to machining tolerances (not hard to do, I could explain the shade-tree way in about 5 minutes) i have the Getrag Service Manual on CD I could send you or anyone who wishes to buy one of these transmissions so the job will be much easier. I have done it a dozen times, the first was rough b/c I didn;t have the manual. Once I knew how to do it, it was a breeze.
Oh, when you chane the bellhousing, you will retain the stock external slave and release arm set-up, so the trans will go in with no mods. You will need to buy the Dickman FWD shift conversion b/c the Quad shift shaft is about 1" shorter and the stock cables won't work without Rodney's parts.
Anyone feeling really brave could easily change the Fiero shift shaft for the Quad shift shaft and have a totally stock-appearing, brand new Getrag that uses no mods what-so-ever (it's really not hard, any DIY'er could do it in about 20 minutes)
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Datsun1973 Member
Posts: 120 From: Fort Worth, TX Registered: Mar 2006
Serious question... Whatcha think it would be like with a 3.94 gear instead of a 3.65?
If you mean the Getrag 3.61FDR, then:
.94 4th and 3.61FDR = 75mph@3500rpm
1.03 4th and 3.94FDR = 75mph@4000rpm.
Overdrive is the same .72 so the difference @75mph is only about 200rpm (2600 and 2800 respectively).
As for acceleration, you'll probably not notice much in 1st, but 2nd and 3rd will run like a scalded dog! Also, with 4th being shorter, you'll actually be able to use it for something other than cruising.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
On this 5 speed transmission, I see that you have to change the bellhousing half to bolt to the Fiero engines and you need the adapter kit from Rodney.
Do the stock axels fit? are these the only 2 things you need to do for it to bolt up and work?
On this 5 speed transmission, I see that you have to change the bellhousing half to bolt to the Fiero engines and you need the adapter kit from Rodney.
Do the stock axels fit? are these the only 2 things you need to do for it to bolt up and work?
Thanks
Ya, same axles. Though, alot of Fiero guys use the Beretta intermediate shaft and then use a custom length r.s. axle. This gets rid of the super long r.s axle.
O.k., the part number on these transmissions is 10235022. I can't find it anywhere in the GM system. I am going to look thru some old books at the local dealer. Anyone have access to old GM parts books?
The only year that used the internal hydraulic slave was 93-94. The only cars they came in were the Grand Am/Achieva, Beretta, The only Quad 4 to get the Getrag 282 was the HO Quad 4. The GA/Achieva both use a 22591277 (latest number) and the Beretta uses a 8681411, so there must be something different. AFAIK, the HO all used the 3.94FDR. But I need to verify. If I have to, I will "count turns" to estimate the ratio for each gear. The weird thing is these don;t have the dipstick boss near the ls axle like the 93-94 GA does.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Originally posted by pontiacjeff: ...The only Quad 4 to get the Getrag 282 was the HO Quad 4...
Are you sure about that? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I was under the impression that there were several different FDRs available with the Quad 4.
Any idea how much they want for the rebuilt V6 tranny?
Are you sure about that? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I was under the impression that there were several different FDRs available with the Quad 4.
Any idea how much they want for the rebuilt V6 tranny?
I know the only 5-speed Getrag Quad 4 in 93-94 Grand AM/Achieva was the HO. The LO got the automatic or the Isuzu 5-speed. The Beretta only used the HO, not the LO.
The wierd thing is the dipstick. Look at this again:
The dipstick is like a Fiero, but it is a Quad 4 and hydraulic throwout. I wonder if these were a "bad batch" and that's why they were wholesaled?
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
I think I'm missing something. My dipstick (88 Fiero Getrag) is above and behind the left side axle shaft. (Notice the red tab.)
...similar to the V6 tranny pic you posted.
In your other pic (below), is that the dipstick hole, about halfway down the "edge" of the tranny? Is the smaller plug, up near the shift shaft, the hole for the reverse light switch? (Edit - Probably so. Looks to be in the same place as my b/u light switch.) Looks like they redesigned a lot of the "peripheral" stuff. Not that that is a show stopper. Edit - Actually, moving the dipstick looks like a good idea. Mine leaks like hell. Looks like the motion of the differential could "pile" the lube against the bottom of the dipstick.
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In your previous pic, is that the dipstick hole, about halfway down the "edge" of the tranny? Is the smaller plug, up near the shift shaft, the hole for the reverse light switch? Looks like they redesigned a lot of the "peripheral" stuff. Not that that is a show stopper.
The 86-87 Fiero has the little short dipstick in the rear case, screw-in threaded, but not exactly like these trannys. ???? It's closer to the axle, but still in the rear case. That is the dipstick hole you see on the right (red plug)
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
I freaked when the guy told me. He freaked even more! No wonder they have the different dipstick, the engine sits so far back any tube would be rediculously long.
Well, the deal is still on, they are 3.94 gearboxes. They have the hole for the reverse lights and a speed sensor (reluctor style you'll laos have to chage the speedo gear for the reluctor when it's apart)
Of course, now I want to make an offer and I can't get in touch with the guy!
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
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