I have 4 sale V8 kits to install a V8 chev motor into an automatic transmission fiero. The kit includes the adaptor plate to bolt the chev V8 motor to the factory automatic fiero transmission.
it also comes with the front motor mount, which is drilled for the factory fiero A/C pump.
It also includes the plate to mount the altenator to the motor.
All three plates are made from high grade steel, powder coated black.
You have to drill the altenator plate for your altenator. as all aplications are different. some use a small alt, while some use the fiero factory altenator.

I am asking $400.00 USD firm for the kit. It takes 3-5 business days to make the kit on my CNC milling machine.
send me a message if your interested. why pay more, when this kit is cheap, and it works!
chris

These would be the same ones you copied from Archie?

quote Originally posted by salmonfieros: Selling V8 fiero kit. I have for sale the adaptor plate to bolt the V8 chev motor to the Fiero transaxle. I also include the Altenator bracket and the front motor mount. All plates are CNC machined from 44W mild steel plate. I do have pictures upon request. These are the same as the V8 archie kits. They sell for well over $1000.00 US. I am selling these kits for $550.00 Canadian. I make them up on an as ordered basis. It takes 4 business days to make a kit up. Please visit my website for other Fiero needs. www.ripnet.com/fieroparts Thanks, Chris Salmon Ontario Canada

quote Originally posted by salmonfieros: I have 4 sale the plates to bolt a chev motor in the rear of a fiero. I have the 1" thick motor plate, to bolt the fiero stock trans to the chev V8. I have the altenator bracket, and the front motor mount. these are a copy of V8 archie's kit. they have been machined from 44W high strength steel, on a CNC machine. I work at a machine shop, so the parts are made exactly to the original. feel free to contact me with any questions. www.ripnet.com/fieroparts email fieroparts@ripnet.com $400 USD $450 canadian. ship to anywhere. ship to USA is approx. $80.00 US chris

Try coming up with your own product rather than ripping off other people.

I dont understand why you think its bad that someone is making competition, Maybe you have the 1grand to throw down for a conversion kit...

I havent researched him at all, but if hes able to give us kits that work for half the price, why argue?

If im wrong please do explain to me why i am...

If only one dvd player was ever put into production priced at 800 dollars, would u complain if a competitor came along and offered it at 100?
I love this forum so far, but reading some of your comments just shows me how ignorant some people can be.

Last time i had to buy windshield wipers im pretty sure there were about 20 different kinds made by different companies that all looked the same, and completed the same task just as good.


All i can say to that is WOW

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quit making new threads, you have admited that they are direct copy's of archies, be a little more creative

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Steal sombodys design and resell it. Great job. I remember your old post stationg that you copied the kit as well

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uhm... Yeah, how dare you copy a fantastic design but make it affordable...

If it is an "EXACT" copy of the archie kit why in the hell would anone spend an extra $500 just to say "its an archie kit"? Personaly if you can make something that has already been proven to work but for half the price, i see no problem in that. If i could buy something, copy it, sell it for cheaper i sure as hell would. Not only are you making money but you are helping people that want to do somethign but cant afford to throw down more money for a swap kit then they paid fo the fiero. I actualy wanted to do a V8 swap in my fieor but couldnt afford th ekit, plus the engine so i went with a DOHC instead as i got th eengine for free, mounts for like $5 each etc etc....

Nice to see someone else agrees with what i first said....
To the guy who is selling these, make something slightly different, hell, screw a small holl in it.
I almost want to buy this just because people are telling him to screw off, and i have no intention of doing a v8 swap.
I would buy it, write my name on it, and sell it as my own design for 100 less. Just in spite of the people who dont want him to do this.

Think about it, this is great for people who cant afford Archies kit. Heres another example. CD CASES almost all of them are exactly the same, a ton of different companies make them. Whats so different here?

For the couple of guys who see nothing wrong with copying someones kit here is the problems.

1. The original designer of any kit has research and development time in the kit which costs big bucks, so they have to recover that cost.
2. If you buy a cheap rip off of that kit the person who designed it will not think it worth while to design anything new in the future. Depriving people of anything new, as there is no chance the person doing the cheap rip offs is ever going to develop anything new themselves.
3. The cheap rip off is going to have no technical support.

See the problem?

I think what archie does is great, he makes a quality product, im sure he warranties everything. And im sure you can call him with any questions.
But is it even possible to change the design of something like this?

Is this something that can be created differently?
Or is there only one manufacturer who will ever be able to make this product? And the price will never change

One more thing to think about. Does Archie have a patent on his kit? If so, it's some sort of copyright/patent/something infringement and illegal.

I have to agree with what Aus said, especially #3. I know that, if I were to buy a V8 kit from Archie and I had any problems, all I have to do is call him and he'd walk me through anything.

One more other thing. There are certainly other ways of producing this kit. Anyone remember the Titanic Zumalt kit?

If I ever get another Fiero and decide to put a V8 in it (after I win the lottery, of course), Archie gets my money.

It would not be such a huge deal other then when he states that he copied his kit. I am sure that most kits will be close in design but just that statement alone mean that he put no work into making a product to sell to the masses and just stole another persons work. I know that the kits can get very expensive but when you look at it stealing is stealing when it comes on down to it, weather its a candybar off the shelf or a design that took years to make. I am suprized that archie has not popped in on this yet.

Does Archie have a patent on this kit? if not, its open season for copy cats and I give all the more power to the competition. If Archie does have a patent then salmonfieros is doing something very illegal and could go to jail for a long time just by selling ONE of his copyed kits.

I do not know what Archie has done to protect his product so it is up to you guys to find out.

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So, Salmon, what kind of warranty do you offer with your "kit?"

Your kit has an automatic adapter plate, motor mount and alternator mount.
What kind of instructions are included? Have you actually built a car with these parts yet? How do we know they work, other than your word?

What kind of technical support are you going to offer when people run into during their install?
What kind of flexplate is required? Why isn't it included in your "kit?"

JZeFF wants to know why buying your kit is wrong. It's real simple. You have no clue how to support any of your customers. You've just copied a few parts and are selling them. You stole someone else's design, so anyone who does business with you is business lost from the actual creator of the product. Why is this bad? Because without the ability to sell a product you've created, there's no reason to invest time and money into coming up with new products.

Other people have created their own designs. Fast Fieros does LS1 swaps in Fieros and his parts are very different from Archie's.

JZeFF, you should buy all of Salmon's kits and then sell them yourself - somewhere else. That way you get to thumb your nose at us and Salmon gets to sell all his cheap knock-off crap.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: So, Salmon, what kind of warranty do you offer with your "kit?" Your kit has an automatic adapter plate, motor mount and alternator mount. What kind of instructions are included? Have you actually built a car with these parts yet? How do we know they work, other than your word? What kind of technical support are you going to offer when people run into during their install? What kind of flexplate is required? Why isn't it included in your "kit?" JZeFF wants to know why buying your kit is wrong. It's real simple. You have no clue how to support any of your customers. You've just copied a few parts and are selling them. You stole someone else's design, so anyone who does business with you is business lost from the actual creator of the product. Why is this bad? Because without the ability to sell a product you've created, there's no reason to invest time and money into coming up with new products. Other people have created their own designs. Fast Fieros does LS1 swaps in Fieros and his parts are very different from Archie's. JZeFF, you should buy all of Salmon's kits and then sell them yourself - somewhere else. That way you get to thumb your nose at us and Salmon gets to sell all his cheap knock-off crap.

Your point about backing up what you sell is really your only thing that is correct. If Archie has no patent then it is up for grabs as is anything.
Now if he can't warranty what he sells or has no experience with install problems and offers no support then that is where Archie shines and it will be left to the consumer what to buy.
Archie wasn't the first to offer kits to swap in V8s if I remember correctly. There were kits for S10 pickups back in the 80s. Maybe Archie got some of those adapters and started his own. If he did it wouldn't matter. Archie offers a lot more and that is what competition is all about.
I wouldn't buy a kit from this guy personally unless he offered enough at a substantial price reduction. I see the price reduction but nothing else so if I were in the market I would still go to Archie.

Jim, As far as copy products stopping people like yourself from creating new products I see your concern but without a patent you made a mistake. The reason patents expire is so competition ensues.

I wonder if any of the protesters in here ever bought "generic" drugs? What do you think those are, besides "cheaper"? Can you spell "hypocrite"? Reverse engineering. It's a wonderful thing, and you can't stop it.

I guess I don't see the problem. Archie designed and built the kit. He's made, and continues to make major buckage from those kits. The kits he sells he has to buy raw materials to make, he has to make them (or have them made) he has to market them, he has to sell them, he has to package, and ship them, and then he has to warranty them.
A duplicate kit he has no real loss, as the kit is probably going to go to people who would never buy a kit from him anyway, because it's too spendy.
If he has a copyright or patent on the kits, then he should exercise it. If he doesn't, then there's no legal reason (or moral in my opinion) why these kits shouldn't be offered.

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I also was against the Fiero Store's buying Rodney Dickman's coolant crossover tubes, copying them and selling them.

I think a person who takes the time, effort, and money to invest into creating a new product shouldn't have someone else mooch off their work.

Just like I don't have a problem with Fast Fieros V8 kits, because they're a different design. Lloyd didn't have to take someone else's work and copy it to offer a useful product.

If you want to patronize people who rip off the original manufacturer, go right ahead. And remember that when you're complaining why nobody wants to make new parts for our cars.

archie also supports us.
most of the shows he goes to he ends up being some sort of sponcer

If you are doing a Swap For The First Time, (no experience). You are about to purchase a $400 paper weight. Insist on Archie's 800 number be included in the price of the kit, You are going to need it!!
Good Luck
Gary