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I now have a quantity of the G6 6 Speed transmissions in stock for $950.00 USD.

I have a total of 18 of them available but I’m going to keep some of them in stock for my in house customers & for use on some of my own cars.

What makes this a good deal is that I can ship them via UPS to anyplace in the 48 States for $100.00 or less. AND anyone who buys one of these transmissions will get a discount of 5% when they order one of our G6 conversion kits. That discount applies whether you buy the kit now or at a later date. The kit must be ordered within 12 months for the discount to apply.

I’ve had a quantity of these transmissions in stock for a few weeks, but I felt the fair way to do it would be to let Joe get his stuff in order before offering them for sale here.

For those that don’t know, a year or so ago I developed a kit that allows you to install this 6 speed into your Fiero with most engine combinations. Several PFF members already have 6 speeds that were installed with this kit.

Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

Thanks

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How much is your conversion kit and transmission combo? total price?

im too poor at the moment to pay for such a thing, but its a question thats going to come up sooner or later.

are there any frame modifications needed?

what all does your "kit" include?

How long is the typical install time for a DIY(do it yourself) mechanic?

what type of clutch do we use with such a transmission?

Flywheel?

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What kind of horsepower and torque can these handle?
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Also, do you happen to know what speeds per 1000 RPM each gear produces with a stock FIero GT rim and tire setup?

Thanks in advance,

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Originally posted by m0sh_man:

How much is your conversion kit and transmission combo? total price?

im too poor at the moment to pay for such a thing, but its a question thats going to come up sooner or later.

are there any frame modifications needed?

what all does your "kit" include?

How long is the typical install time for a DIY(do it yourself) mechanic?

what type of clutch do we use with such a transmission?

Flywheel?

matthew


I don't know what the typical install time is yet because most people that have installed them are not typical

The kit comes with a video instruction tape that covers most everything pretty good & we're adding more to it as we go. However it is a major project, you have to be willing & able to take your driveline out & do the swap then put it back together again as per instructions.

There is one mount that gets welded to the engine cradle & so far we've had to slightly notch the left side frame rail on 2 of the cars we've done.

Here are the details, I have modified this to account for the low transmission price & for the 5% discount but doesn't include shipping.

Our New 6-Speed Fiero Transmission Conversion Kit allows you to mount the new Pontiac G6 6 speed transmission into any stick shift Pontiac Fiero.

In 2006 Pontiac introduced a new to the U.S. 6 Speed Manual transmission in the front wheel drive G6. This new transmission is a FWD transaxle much like the manual transmissions in the Fiero. As you may know, we’ve been selling & installing V-8 Conversion Kits for the Fiero for nearly 20 years now. It’s only a “natural” for us to want to try to fit that new 6 speed into a Fiero.

We’ve now designed a kit to enable this new 6 speed to be installed into all stick shift Fieros. If you have a stock Fiero engine or a SBC engine swap or anything in between, we have a kit that will allow you to install the 6 speed. As you might know we do a lot of Chevy V-8 conversions here & have a lot of customers out there with SBC’s in their cars. The SBC version of our 6 speed conversion allows the SBC guys to use all of the major parts of their original V-8 conversion when retro-fitting the 6 speed.

The G6 6 speed is just ¼” longer that the Fiero Getrag transmission. The end of the trans that is the closest to the left side frame rail is larger in profile because that transmission has 3 gear shafts instead of the Fiero’s 2 shafts.

The G6 just started using the 6 speed in 2006, so you don’t see a lot of them in the salvage yards yet. They are available now at your local GM dealer parts department. As you will see, a large part of the total cost of the swap are the G6 specific parts. The swap can be very affordable if you can obtain these parts at a salvage yard.

In addition to the transmission this swap requires several other G6 driveline parts. We have 2 versions of the 6 speed conversion kit. The Economy 6 Speed Conversion Kit includes all of the custom parts that it takes to complete the conversion & allows you to buy the needed G6 parts on your own. The Master 6 Speed Conversion Kit includes all parts in the Economy kit plus all of the new G6 parts that are needed.

The Economy 6 Speed Conversion Kit includes these parts: At one point or another, you will need all of the following parts to complete the swap.

Custom Length Left side axle
Custom Length Right side axle
Mounting for Intermediate Shaft Bearing (specify engine being used)
V-8 Archie Stage III F-2 Clutch
Flywheel Friction Plate (specify engine being used)
LSx (see note A)
LSx (see note A)
Forward Transmission Mount (specify engine being used)
Rear Transmission Mount
6 Speed Shift Cable Mounting Brackets
Clutch Line Adapter

The price for the Economy 6 Speed Conversion Kit is $1724.00-5%= 1638.00

The Master 6 Speed Conversion Kit includes the Economy Kit & all of these additional parts:
6 Speed G6 Transmission ..... (our original pricing on this kit included $1800.00 for the transmission but that pirice is now $950.00 saving $850.00)
Intermediate Shaft for 6 Speed G6 Transmission (see note B)
Left Side G6 Axle Assembly (see note C)
Right Side G6 Axle Assembly (see note C)
G6 Hyd. Clutch Line Fitting (from G6 Master Cylinder Assembly)
Dakota Digital SGI-5

The price for the Master 6 Speed Conversion Kit is. $5121.00 - $850.00 = 4271.00 less 5% = 4057.00

Note A. When doing the 6 speed swap to a LSx engine, you will also need these parts:
LSx Forward Right Engine Mount
LSx Right Rear Engine Mount
The price for these LSx specific parts is $235.00.

Note B. If you are obtaining this part on your own, it will be necessary for you to send it to us so we can do a LSx specific modification & ship it back to you. Cost for this modification is $110.00.

Note C. If you are obtaining this part on your own, it will be necessary for you to send it to us so we can Pre-assemble it for you & ship it back to you.

Note: You will need to use a modified 4 speed Fiero shifter to complete this swap. If you send your shifter to us, we will make the modifications & send it back to you for $ 150.00.

Note: You will need to use 2 Fiero Getrag Select Cables on this swap. (we recommend using new cables from Rodney Dickman) 1 of them remains unmodified. The other Select Cable needs to be modified. You can send that cable to us & we’ll do the modification for $80.00 or we can provide a new modified cable for $240.00.

Note: If you are also getting a quote for a V-8 engine swap kit, some of these parts are redundant with parts supplied in that kit, so the prices will be reduced accordingly.

I hope this helps.

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Originally posted by gtd88:

What kind of horsepower and torque can these handle?


This thread is what I've used as a reference http://www.g6performance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=263

The gear ratios are also posted there so you can calculate your own speed/1000 RPM if you want to.

No one knows how much torque it can really take yet. But it's rated at about 100 ft-lb more than the original Fiero Getrag was rated. Back in the day when Fiero getrags were much newer, we put engines into them that were twice as much Torque as the Getrags were rated for & they did fine. But now the average Fiero transmission is 20 years old & their capacity is likely to be less than what they would take new. With the new 6 speed, I would expect that, like the original FieroGetrag, it will take much more than it's published rating.

But this isn't really the place for a technical discussion. There are a couple threads going on that get into a lot more detail. This is one of them https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/059254.html And also the What's Up at Archie's thread has several pages on the subject too https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/024804.html in the leter pages.

Hope that helps

Archie

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Originally posted by gtd88:

What kind of horsepower and torque can these handle?


245 ft lbs at the engine . not the best set up for a v8 if you plan to keep the trans stock . you can cryo treat the gears though

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Report this Post12-30-2006 02:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sspeedstreetSend a Private Message to sspeedstreetDirect Link to This Post
So I guess the new 2007 ratios explain why the 2006 transmissions are turning up for sale everywhere. I still don't understand why they didnt fix the first and second ratios for 2007.
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aww if 1st and 2nd were stretched out a bit more I'd be all over this

I'm dreading going auto.. losing the shifting and the tone of the exhaust.

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I'm curious if you have done one with a N* yet, or if anyone has?
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Originally posted by wiccantoy:


245 ft lbs at the engine . not the best set up for a v8 if you plan to keep the trans stock . you can cryo treat the gears though



Actually the Specs call out gearbox torque: 295 lb-ft, the engine in the G6 is rated at 245.

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The gear ratios are also posted there so you can calculate your own speed/1000 RPM if you want to.



I know this isn't the tech forum, but would someone please explain how to calculate speeds for each gear using the gear ratios?
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This may help on the gear ratios to MPH for some of the different transmissions we use. I used 2150 RPM with stock tires.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~jgunsett/TestMPH.htm

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Thanks, Jack. One more question - Can we take those numbers and extrapolate linearly to get speed at redline rpms? For example, if redline is 6450, is the speed in first gear 3 x 11.6 = 34.8 mph (for a tire size of 24.2)?
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Originally posted by Tom Corey:

Thanks, Jack. One more question - Can we take those numbers and extrapolate linearly to get speed at redline rpms? For example, if redline is 6450, is the speed in first gear 3 x 11.6 = 34.8 mph (for a tire size of 24.2)?



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Originally posted by m0sh_man:

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How long is the typical install time for a DIY(do it yourself) mechanic?
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matthew


I did mine with the full kit. It is like swaping a getrag but with the welding of the new mounts. On the SBC you trim couple trany areas with a grinder. Not needed with the V6s. Axles, brackets, cables, etc. is all straight foward. So again I would say the most involved item is to align and weld the mounts.
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I drove J Gunsett's car at Ed's swap meet last year. Tons of fun. Thanks again Jack.
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Well, I'm all caught up on shipping these transmissions.

Anyone else want one?
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Put my name on one, I'm just waiting for a fella to pay his bill, and I'll fire off a money order.
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Archie, would love discuss buying/getting a kit for a 3800. Can i get your number, or whats the best way to contact you? Thanks,

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Archie, would love discuss buying/getting a kit for a 3800. Can i get your number, or whats the best way to contact you? Thanks,

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what kind of "payment plan" do you have??

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


Yeah, you gotta love EBay. I haven't got any bids on that one yet but I've sold 2 of them with the conversion kits since that listing started.

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Originally posted by revin:

what kind of "payment plan" do you have??


We take Credit Cards.

We also have a In-house financing plan.

You can make as many payments as you want & after the last payment & it's yours.

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Bump it up into 6th gear.
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I think its really great you guys are getting this tranny going into fieros, in my mind this is the stuff that will keep fieros going forever! To bad I cant buy one
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Originally posted by Fosgatecavy98:

in my mind this is the stuff that will keep fieros going forever!


That's why I developed a kit to install it into the Fiero.

Before we did the 6 speed kit, a person could completely rebuild a Fiero & replace virtually every moving part on the car with new OEM or aftermarket parts EXCEPT the transmission.

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Are you still needing shifters? I have one 4spd. from V-6 car in hand and plan to get another next week.
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Originally posted by gafrbk:

Are you still needing shifters? I have one 4spd. from V-6 car in hand and plan to get another next week.


Yes sir, always needing 4 speed V-6 shifters. I need the shifters themselves not just the levers.

Paying $25.00 plus shipping.

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How will this bolt up to my LT1? I just lost 2nd gear in my Isuzu and started looking for options. Found this thread. I should've known to check with you first.

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I'm not ready yet, but I'm going to be in need of a new transmission to go with my 3800SC

Archie, I looked on your site and sent you an email, haven't found much info on G6 conversion for a 3800... could you pm me or post here? Mainly, price for a conversion with and without the G6 tranny (I may have one lined up locally buy the time I have cash for the conversion)

Also, I'm already driving an 85 V6 4 speed, so I can send my shifter in for a mod, no need to buy another is there?
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