Here is the listing for the new Mark II 90mm Low-profile buckets.
Pre-orders are now being accepted. PayPal payments to Synthesis: synssins@yahoo.com Price is $195 USD plus shipping. Shipping inside the Continental US is $15 USD, please ask for a quote for other areas. European customers please contact me at Fiero1Fan@fieros.eu . Other forms of payment (check, MO, etc) must be approved directly by Synthesis and will delay shipping until payment has been processed.
PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR PFF USERNAME IN THE PAYMENT!! It saves a lot of headaches.
Listed below are the names of those who were interested and wanted to be put on the "List". Anyone who I have missed or is no longer interested please just drop me a pm and let me know.
they look great even better than the first set I have. what is the cost of the new set now that they are being done in the US. I may decide to use them on my new 88 D.
The new price, with the nickel chrome coating is right around 195. We are still zeroing in on the final cost because the buckets went to coating today.
A little more expensive than the last batch, but the shipping is a lot cheaper now. Shipping will be $15 flat in the Continental US.
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12:36 PM
DLCLK87GT Member
Posts: 2696 From: South Jersey, USA Registered: Feb 2009
Can they be bought without the coating for those of us who might want to powder-coat them? Or is it not recommended to PC them? Also, are you still making the harness for these? Any package deals for harness and buckets?
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12:48 PM
Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
Can they be bought without the coating for those of us who might want to powder-coat them? Or is it not recommended to PC them? Also, are you still making the harness for these? Any package deals for harness and buckets?
No. All are going to get the coating. PC should stick over the top, but is not recommended. The adjuster clip holes have a machined tolerance specifically for the clips with enough room for a coat of paint. PC would result in the clips not fitting right, and the risk of breaking the clip when inserting the adjuster during installation.
I am making the harnesses. I am backed up, as I have two that have been paid for, and I have not shipped yet. I am finishing them up, getting them out. Sadly, right now there is no package deal. I may consider doing so in the near future.
Originally posted by DLCLK87GT: for those of us who might want to powder-coat them?
PC is possible but not recommended because you would have to remove the PC out of all holes before you can mount the lights into the buckets and on the headlight motors.
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12:56 PM
Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
"Are there any differences between these and the original design?"
My answer:
Yes
The previous versions consisted of multiple flat plates, jig welded together. While this worked, it led to squared edges and a lot of flexing.
The new design is a one piece CNC bent design that eliminates the flex, and adds a top lip. The top lip folds back approximately 1/2". This lip means that we no longer need door edge guard, and because it fits at the sides, it allows us to put a small weld inside the corner at the top and the bottom.
The bottom tabs are welded in place. Those are the only "extra" pieces on the buckets.
The holes for the adjuster clips are milled into the surface of the buckets. This allows us to leave a finished, smooth edge that is made specifically for the clip to fit. The original design was a chamfered edge. While this works, the clips were designed to fit into a square edged opening, not against a beveled surface.
With this change, the clips now lock right in, and are very solid, but at the same time, allow enough movement that adjusting the headlights is a breeze. The clip is snug, but will spin freely when adjusting headlamps.
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Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
I powder coated my gen 1 buckets and as f1f stated you have to rasp or sand down the holes. It does mess with the tolerances of the bolts and adjusters just a little but enough to not be able to insert them properly. I chose the powder coating due greater longevity and chip resistance.
So, I'm interested in paying but do I pay $195 plus $15 shipping or should I wait untill the final price is available and then pay?
Also, I understand that you, Synthesis, are behind on making harnesses but would you sell just the connectors so that I can make some Tier 1 harnesses to use till you're caught up and can buy a Tier 3 harness? I understand you're busy, but I don't know where I can find those locally and I can make a simple harness myself, I just need the parts.
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Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
So, I'm interested in paying but do I pay $195 plus $15 shipping or should I wait untill the final price is available and then pay?
Also, I understand that you, Synthesis, are behind on making harnesses but would you sell just the connectors so that I can make some Tier 1 harnesses to use till you're caught up and can buy a Tier 3 harness? I understand you're busy, but I don't know where I can find those locally and I can make a simple harness myself, I just need the parts.
I actually have two Tier 1 harnesses complete. I built them as a proof of concept. One for each side. If you want those, I have em and may be able to squeeze them in with the buckets in one box. I'd let those go for 50 with the buckets.
As for the pricing. I think it is safe to say, yes. 195 per set plus shipping.
If you do pay in by Paypal, please put "Buckets - Forum Name" in the subject line. I need to keep those separate from anything to do with Tyler's car.
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Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
I actually have two Tier 1 harnesses complete. I built them as a proof of concept. One for each side. If you want those, I have em and may be able to squeeze them in with the buckets in one box. I'd let those go for 50 with the buckets.
As for the pricing. I think it is safe to say, yes. 195 per set plus shipping.
If you do pay in by Paypal, please put "Buckets - Forum Name" in the subject line. I need to keep those separate from anything to do with Tyler's car.
That'll work for me. I'll paypal you funds here in just a few minutes
Edit:
....Annnnd sent
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A photo bump of the set in my car. Please forgive the grainy quality, it was dark outside, and the flash did not work with the light in front.
Click for a larger view... Note, the OEM appearance because of the bent front, rather than the seam. Also, yes, I know the aim is off on the lamps. I broke clips when I moved the lights from the old buckets to the new, and need to reinstall the new clips. I have not done so yet.
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Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
I took these during lunch today in front of my work. This is the very first set of buckets, and have not been protection coated. The paint that is on these was sprayed on with no primer, and was done for show and tell at the Fiero club meeting here in MN a month ago. I have installed them without the protective nickel chrome, and without primer. I will probably pull and refinish them eventually... Just disregard the paint chips. It does not stick well to bare metal.
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03:11 PM
CheshireGrin Member
Posts: 693 From: Windsor,Ontario,Canada Registered: Oct 2006
Just curious, but how many buckets were manufactured in each batch? I understand this second batch was doubled after a shop accidentally made all left buckets instead of half and half. I was just wondering if there were enough buckets to fulfill demands this time around and if there would be additional batches in the future (in case I get another Fiero).
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Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
Just curious, but how many buckets were manufactured in each batch? I understand this second batch was doubled after a shop accidentally made all left buckets instead of half and half. I was just wondering if there were enough buckets to fulfill demands this time around and if there would be additional batches in the future (in case I get another Fiero).
Ok. During assembly, we were shorted a few brackets for the lift arm.
This means that a safe bet would be a total of 46 completed sets (we are making the rest to complete the last few).
Yes, there will be another batch down the road, but that is a long ways out. This batch will sell out, and then once it is gone, the decision will be made to produce another round....
Wow, I wish I had waited to get these rather then the Gen1... Especially since I haven't installed them yet...
Me as well.
So are the only differences between generation one and generation two is that generation two are all one piece and they have the extra lip bit on the top of the buckets?
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1986 Fiero GT Member
Posts: 3383 From: Eden, NY USA Registered: Mar 2005
Does somebody have a picture of 1 car with a gen 2 (or 1 ((close enough)) lamp setup on one side and a standard setup on the other? I think that would be the best example/illustration of the difference between 198? and 2009..??? I can't wait to sell my parts car to get the $$$ for these!!!
Edit to say; i SO want ot write payment sent!!!!
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Hi guys, I can post all the pics from the old thread in this thread again but it would just fill up this thread like the old one. All of the comparison pics that you are wanting are located in the old thread. Take a look through it.
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Nov 14th, 2009
zigaroo Member
Posts: 361 From: Frederica, Delaware Registered: Aug 2009
There was an issue at the coater with the nickel/chrome coating. It destroyed two buckets during the process...
They look fine, but there are too many areas for the process to pool up and prevent a solid coating from the second layer.
The shop already charged the setup fee, but they are moving back into a true zinc plating. While it is a different process, it won't affect the price, and the zinc plating will still provide a high level of protection. Paint adheres to it better than the nickel chrome....
Sorry for the last minute change... When I got the call and saw the two damaged buckets, an executive decision was made to change processes.