jaskispyder & fieroparts.com has over HALF the fist page of this mall (& lets face it no one reads the other pages unless they're looking for something specific) taken up with their threads for individual parts! And the VAST majority of the threads were BUMPED BY THEM to get here!
Com'on guys; let others use the mall too!!!
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Custom Fiberglass Parts

bump for you!


BTW, I have been on this list since 2002 and I have used the Mall very little.... I am trying to raise some funds for other projects. I am not running a business, just trying to off-load some parts that I believe are of value to list members.

I have 7 items for sale, that's what the mall is for!

[This message has been edited by fieroparts.com (edited 05-16-2011).]

Wow, 2 Direct responses.

Another forum I used to frequent required a subscription fee to post FS / WTB / WTT ads.

Doesn't bother me, Carry on.

You looking for some consolidation there, Paul?

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: jaskispyder & fieroparts.com has over HALF the fist page of this mall[/URL]

Well, you do have a good point. If someone wanted to, they could totally spam the first few pages of The Mall section. Perhaps I could implement a maximum number of threads? For instance, if you already have 5 threads in the first two pages, the system won't allow you to post a new thread (or bump an existing thread)? That would seem fair.

Also, maybe I should only allow a thread to be bumped once every two or three days?

Thoughts?

I think those rules would be a very reasonable solution to something that may or may not be a problem.
I could easily live within them
I would hate to make moderation of the Mall more work for you than it already is.
The last thing we should do is be like government and write cumbersome law.

Personally, I hate bumping my threads unless I have something to say.
Lately, I have just been trying to stay on page two.

BTW Thanks Cliff for all you do

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quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Perhaps I could implement a maximum number of threads? For instance, if you already have 5 threads in the first two pages, the system won't allow you to post a new thread (or bump an existing thread)? That would seem fair. Thoughts?

Seems fair to me but i don't know why you wouldn't just post all your stuff in one large for sale listing instead of 1 listing per item.

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Also, maybe I should only allow a thread to be bumped once every two or three days? Thoughts?

i think 1 bump per 24 hour perios would be ok, i posted a WTB yesterday and bumped it this morning figuring new day, different people. I see no need to bump more than once ever 24 hours but that's just my .02

OT

I posted an item for sale on the 1st, then bumped it on the 4th, then the 9th, then the 16th. I am not bumping every 12 hours, 24 hours or even every 48 hours. I tried putting everything in one listing and that was a mess and how should I write the title.... "Misc. Fiero parts"? We would have a lot of those listings, if this was the case. When I search the mall I scan the titles for things I am interested in, I don't read each one.

BTW, this last bump brought new interest in the parts, which is the point of the mall.... to sell items.

Also, as mentioned, this is off-topic and I am not really sure what the point is. My items are off the first page, or at the bottom, if someone responded.

Uh... I think the Driver is over-reacting..

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Well, you do have a good point. If someone wanted to, they could totally spam the first few pages of The Mall section. Perhaps I could implement a maximum number of threads? For instance, if you already have 5 threads in the first two pages, the system won't allow you to post a new thread (or bump an existing thread)? That would seem fair. Also, maybe I should only allow a thread to be bumped once every two or three days? Thoughts?

An even better idea would be to collect a fee from every one who sells in the mall; maybe 3 or 5 %... After all, we are making money off of PFF's site, basically free advertisement...

Or have like a $20 annual membership fee to sell in the mall…

I am sure this site isn’t cheap to maintain…

I just think folks should be considerate of others, & be self-policed. If you have 5 (or more than 1) items for sale, don't bump them all at once or on the same day. And yes you can list 5 parts in the same thread with the title listing all the parts - it's not that hard. You are not the only person trying to sell parts here. Should I have a separate thread for my hood vents, fender vents, decklids/scoops/louvers, headlight covers, door skins, etc. etc.?
I don't sell that much, but if I have something listed I try not to bump it over & over just to keep it on the first page. I currently have 3 threads that reference my fiberglass parts (one of which I didn't start) - I didn't plan it that way one is pretty old (the Angel Vent hood scoop) one is recent (because of lots of new fiberglass parts) & as I said I didn't start the other (Driven Visions louvers). But I don't bump them constantly just to keep them on the front page. I try to respect my fellow mallers.
OK with this thread I now have 4.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Custom Fiberglass Parts

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Well, you do have a good point. If someone wanted to, they could totally spam the first few pages of The Mall section. Perhaps I could implement a maximum number of threads? For instance, if you already have 5 threads in the first two pages, the system won't allow you to post a new thread (or bump an existing thread)? That would seem fair. Also, maybe I should only allow a thread to be bumped once every two or three days? Thoughts?

That will probably put PK out of business, lol.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Also, as mentioned, this is off-topic and I am not really sure what the point is.

Not really. Whenever I have a new idea for The Mall section (or after I created something new), I post it here - not in other sections. The only difference now is that I didn't start the thread. But if you want, I can start a new thread because this thread might give the impression you were spamming the forum (because of OP's first post) while I'm fully aware you were not.

And the point is that it has happened in the past where a single person "spammed" the first few pages with dozens of parts. I use quotes because when this happens because again, I realize it's never the person's intention to spam - he just lists what he has for sale but it gives the impression of spamming. And a person only having a single item up for sale might feel his posts are getting buried.

Personally, I'd leave the mall as is. I prefer a separate thread for each totally different item for sale. Makes it easier to find things I want, and would sell. It was never a problem in the past, (OK. I just saw Cliff's post above. Maybe it was a problem before?)and I really don't see a big issue with it. If you had a jerk spam the page, odds are, he'd be speed banned, and folks would "bump" their posts above his anyway, so I don't think it's worth your time to modify.

I posted a want ad Sunday and it got no response. I bumped it this afternoon and got a hit. Sometimes you need to hit the day crew and/or nighy crew. If you do anything, maybe only 1 bump per 24 hour period?

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Well, you do have a good point. If someone wanted to, they could totally spam the first few pages of The Mall section. Perhaps I could implement a maximum number of threads? For instance, if you already have 5 threads in the first two pages, the system won't allow you to post a new thread (or bump an existing thread)? That would seem fair. Also, maybe I should only allow a thread to be bumped once every two or three days? Thoughts?

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I do want to point out that my posts are gone from the first page (for the most part - except where others have responded). If the OP looked at the mall right now, they would see a completely different selection of items for sale. Timing is an important thing... I guess that is why I don't see this as an issue, as the mall is always changing and most people are not bumping or listing every few hours. I don't feel as if I am abusing the mall, as I list my items when I can and when I think enough time as passed (usually multiple days for bumps). I can wait longer between posting items on the same day, or bumping, so my items are spaced between others, but again, that really depends on how often others post to the mall.

Just my thoughts and I don't want to see things changed within the mall, but I am surprised that I was singled out for posting my items, just as everyone else does and yet I don't complain when my item ends up on page three of the same day that it is posted. I just wait it out and then bump in 3-5 days, if it hasn't sold, or if the sale didn't happen.

Maybe the mall could benefit from a subcategories??? cars vs parts vs ??? Just a thought, but again, I like the mall the way it is and I like it when people bump things that haven't sold, as usually I miss many of them the first time around.

Thanks for the chance to speak.

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Well, you do have a good point. If someone wanted to, they could totally spam the first few pages of The Mall section. Perhaps I could implement a maximum number of threads? For instance, if you already have 5 threads in the first two pages, the system won't allow you to post a new thread (or bump an existing thread)? That would seem fair. Also, maybe I should only allow a thread to be bumped once every two or three days? Thoughts?

Good ideas.. 5 threads is a bit much.. Usually people could just post more than one item in the thread...

(another good idea!=add a like button )

I listed my items all in one thread, https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/055912.html , but just my preference. Didn't want to list each one in a separate thread. I can see both sides of this issue, maybe limit to 5 separate threads per day. No monopoly on the first page. I do look at other pages, depending on the time of the last reply on the bottom thread. If the last line was two days ago, might not look.
-Joe

Also add that a price should be mandatory in the for sale posting. It saves all the needless postings asking how much and other various PMs.

quote Originally posted by 02greens10: Also add that a price should be mandatory in the for sale posting. It saves all the needless postings asking how much and other various PMs.

I generally assume that if there is no price included, then they want more than I am willing to pay. I do open every "miscellaneous parts" thread to see if they have anything I need. I also check multiple pages if needed to get back to the last time I checked...but that is rarely needed since I check many times per day. The best deals go fast.

I wouldn't mind a section for parts and a seperate section for cars. That would make it a bit easier to surf The Mall. Other than that, I wouldn't change anything. If someone wants something specific they can do a search for it and find it, whether it is on page 1 or 101.

quote Originally posted by 02greens10: Also add that a price should be mandatory in the for sale posting. It saves all the needless postings asking how much and other various PMs.

I am a member on a reef aquarium forum. Price and location are mandatory or your thread is subject to deletion. Personally I prefer that way It lets the buyer know where he stands without waiting for back and forth replies while someone else swoops in and buys the item out from under you.

Hey cliff i am a member of a forum called PbNation.com a paintball site. On their Buy/Sell section they have a Bump button that is only active ounce in a 24 hour and made it a rule to not just do a bump post in the threads. i do think they have a filter to not allow just the word "bump" in a post along with Up and other common bumps. Just me .02

they are using vBulletin

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quote Originally posted by Daredevil05: That will probably put PK out of business, lol.

Lol dunno about that. i dont really post much on here right now.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: (snip) Just my thoughts and I don't want to see things changed within the mall, but I am surprised that I was singled out for posting my items, just as everyone else does and yet I don't complain when my item ends up on page three of the same day that it is posted. I just wait it out and then bump in 3-5 days, if it hasn't sold, or if the sale didn't happen. (snip) Thanks for the chance to speak.

Nothing personal; I singled you out because I looked at your threads & at that time they were ALL bumped by you at the same time. I'm not really trying to give you (& fieroparts.com) a hard time particularly, but you have to admit it was a bit much. The point is that there are a lot of folks posting parts here (which is why the threads get bumped off the first page so quickly) & when only two people have over half the first page then it becomes excessive.
I just thought I'd point it out so that you (everyone) will stop & think & have a little more consideration of others. I've posted a part here before & bumped it the next day, as it was posted early (like 4 AM) in the morning & was already bumped off when I got out of bed (noon or so) so I brought it back up for the day crowd (as someone else said).
I don't think changes are necessary, just a little self-policing. I haven't bumped the hood vent thread for 10 days, & then it was only to announce the availability of the new vent that a lot of folks were asking for (of course as usual I've only sold one). Ditto on the fiberglass parts - no bump by me for 7 days & that was also an update on the progress of the parts.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Custom Fiberglass Parts

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Well, you do have a good point. If someone wanted to, they could totally spam the first few pages of The Mall section. Perhaps I could implement a maximum number of threads? For instance, if you already have 5 threads in the first two pages, the system won't allow you to post a new thread (or bump an existing thread)? That would seem fair.

In other forums I've experienced the general rule is to group related items in single posts. For instance, selling all the intake bits of an engine would be a single post within which would be the various related items being sold. Personally, I think it would work fine to list a bunch of items within a single post rather than dozens of individual posts with one item each.

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Also, maybe I should only allow a thread to be bumped once every two or three days? Thoughts?

The default setting is to show 2 days worth of posts, so it would make sense to limit bumps to slightly longer than that, say 50 hours.

Sorry but I feel someone should be able to bump their item as they see fit. I don't see anywhere that anyone is abusing the "system" or being selfish. If others don't care or follow up where their post falls to then they obviously didn't need to sell something that bad.

I disagree with a single post to list all of your items for sale. I like to search for a particular item in the "title" not the body of the post.

Cliff, why change what isn't broken? You've had one inquirey/complaint about this in the past 11 years?

How does that Star Trek line go? "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of one" or something along that line.

If you want to give people what the want in regards to a bump timeline or posting limits in the mall then I propose you post a poll with proposed options and see what the vast majority want or need.

Just my 2 cents worth. (If that much)

I'm still collecting parts to finish my cars. When i have something to sell, it'll be here. :-)

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I only use one for-sale post, and I bump it any time something new goes on, otherwise the link is in my sig and I only bump it once every month or so. I will never be rolling in the dough for car parts anyhow, but I think its a good way to keep the mall from getting cluttered up and bury other singular posts.

I dont think Paul is overreacting, I believe Paul is pointing out something that can possibly be fixed and made better. Nothing wrong with that, its not like he called anyone names. If there is to be a bump limit, is there anyway to get the website to recognize a bump? For example, if I listed an item before my next available bump, is there a way to get PFF to recognize it is not just a shameless bump or would it be a 1-post every so-many hours limit? What if someone asks you a question in your thread, is responding a bump?

Just some things to think about.

quote Originally posted by IwannaIRM: Sorry but I feel someone should be able to bump their item as they see fit.

I disagree - What I see as normal, someone else may see it as annoying... One bump in a 24-48hr period seems to be the norm. Bumping your item for the morning crew, the lunch time crew, the night crew and the weekend crew, imo, does not seem "fit"... Not that this is directed toads any one particular (and not that I have seen anyone do it), I was just making a point that maybe a simple 24hr bump-rule should be implimented...

quote Originally posted by IwannaIRM: Cliff, why change what isn't broken?

I agree it isn't broken, I just want to be sure everybody is able to sell their items. So not only those who have a ton of stuff to offer (and have lots and lots of threads). Like I said, not because it's broken, just as a precautionary measure.

I was shocked to see the whole first page listed like that. If I was to post something, it would have been pushed right to the second page immediately. I must also admit that since I saw the first page tied up by one user, I didn't even look at any of the listings because it. That is my personal choice though.

I really get bothered by people that bump their listing 4 times a day. I feel like you should only be able to bump every 3 days if you are selling so that it drops off the 2 day list before you can knock it back up.

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I REALLY like the PFF forum. There are SO many great people on here who are extremely helpful to others.

I hate rules.

Many times rules are 85%-95% right and 5% wrong. Why impose a 5% wrong rule if there is no problem to start with.

So lets suppose someone needs something really bad and is willing to pay for overnight shipping. Like there is a car show in two days and they need a 'correct' GT style steering wheel. So the person posts something first thing in the morning but then wants to bump it again that night because a lot of other posts came in. I think that person would have a totally legitimate reason to bump it. Maybe the status of something changed and they need to send an update (Hey I was wrong the wheel I need is a called a 4 spoke instead)

I would like to think that most PFFers have enough common sense to be able to self regulate themselves. I would like to think that we don't need to succumb to a system of mind numb rules and regulations.

That means everyone needs to be reasonable with YOUR own posts. That means be tolerant of OTHERS posts. And if you think someone else is over posting the best way is to first send them a private PM and tell them in a NICE* way what your feelings are. And then let things ride some and see what happens. If enough people are doing that I feel confident that the offender will change his/her ways.

*Here is one NICE way to tell someone something that might be considered negative to them. First tell them something GOOD about them. Then tell them the thing that you find offending. Then finish by telling them something else good about them. If you can't find two good things about them, then you really don't have a legitimate claim to tell them something bad about them the way I see it.

When I look at PFF as a whole, and I consider what THIS forum has done for many people, how they have lifted others others, it really gets to the point that it totally sends a shiver down my spine me. You guys impress me.

quote Originally posted by MulletproofMonk: I was shocked to see the whole first page listed like that. If I was to post something, it would have been pushed right to the second page immediately. I must also admit that since I saw the first page tied up by one user, I didn't even look at any of the listings because it. That is my personal choice though. I really get bothered by people that bump their listing 4 times a day. I feel like you should only be able to bump every 3 days if you are selling so that it drops off the 2 day list before you can knock it back up.

I am sorry, I have to post a rebuttal. I assume this was related to my posts.

No, "one person" did not take up the whole first page, this is false and only leads to mis-information. Why wouldn't someone look at multiple listings by one person? Do people shop by the seller or by what is sold?

As for the second part, yes, bumping multiple times a day is annoying and I must restate that in my case it was at least 3 days since my last bump (really... 4-5 days). I am guessing that you are just making a generalize comment, though. Another, more useful, reason to "bump" an item is to let others know that the item is not sold, as sometimes someone will quickly "claim" the item, but never pay or follow through. So any followup viewer will assume the item is taken.

I don't have a problem limiting bumps or the number of posts a day. Another idea would be to have a mall-limited search with newest items listed coming up first, like ebay and separate WTB from For Sale.

I do have to remind people that we are discussing a snapshot in time, within a few hours the mall first page changed, and within 4 hours, it was completely different... it really depends on the number of posters/responses at that time. (Don't forget, responses will bump items to the top also).

Thanks


(Edit... by a better search.... I mean something that is right in the page, easy to get to and designed for those selling/buying. I know we have the general search and we can search the Mall, but I was thinking about something targeting Mall users).

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what about like craigs list? listing for the day, then scroll down for the previous days

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: No, "one person" did not take up the whole first page, this is false and only leads to mis-information. Why wouldn't someone look at multiple listings by one person? Do people shop by the seller or by what is sold?

Fine, two peoples posts took up the entire first page. Next, I didn't mention your name, but yes you took up more then half a page. When I see that many posts by the same person, it looks like spam to me. That is just the way I see it. I don't know why you can't just post 3 per day. That way when you bump them it doesn't knock 50% of the people down off the page.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: As for the second part, yes, bumping multiple times a day is annoying and I must restate that in my case it was at least 3 days since my last bump (really... 4-5 days). I am guessing that you are just making a generalize comment, though. Another, more useful, reason to "bump" an item is to let others know that the item is not sold, as sometimes someone will quickly "claim" the item, but never pay or follow through. So any followup viewer will assume the item is taken. I don't have a problem limiting bumps or the number of posts a day. Another idea would be to have a mall-limited search with newest items listed coming up first, like ebay and separate WTB from For Sale. I do have to remind people that we are discussing a snapshot in time, within a few hours the mall first page changed, and within 4 hours, it was completely different... it really depends on the number of posters/responses at that time. (Don't forget, responses will bump items to the top also).

I also didn't say that you bump too much. I made a general comment about it. I think you need to read my post again. I never mentioned you.

quote Originally posted by Indyellowgt: Uh... I think the Driver is over-reacting..

As do I

Sheesh I opened up a whole can of worms, didn't I?
Just to clarify, at the time I was on it was TWO people that had over HALF the first page taken. But if the mall became slow, then they might have taken up the whole page. I never really counted, but I always thought it displayed a set amount of threads (25 or 30), but if it's set up to display the last two days then "spamming" (& I use the term loosely) during a slow period (if there ever is one) could take up the whole page.
Personally, if I see a LOT of posts by the same user I usually ignore them, unless I'm looking for something in particular & it jumps out at me. I figure if they're "spamming" then maybe they're con artists that are trying to get attention. But that's just me...
Anyway, all I really had in mind is to point out that it looks bad if you take up 1/4 or half the first page with multiple bumps, & for folks to keep that in mind & be considerate of others. As I said before, I don't think any changes are necessary just a little self-policing.
The biggest thing I'm on here looking for is a V8 kit for manual early SBC. In 4 years I still haven't found one (they're always for an automatic or late model engine). (sigh...) You would think that I'd be able to afford new parts by now but that hasn't worked out with what little income I can put together (semi-retired/painful existence).
Thank you for your support.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Custom Fiberglass Parts
(If only I could get this much attention & sell some fiberglass parts I might be able to get a couple of my projects running)