Hi - I am thinking of upgrading my stock speakers in my 87gt and I think the sizes are 4x10 and 4x6 ( i dont know which are the front and which are the rears). so anyway I have found these 4x6 with a mounting depth of 2"
I replaced the front speakers with some Pioneer 4X10, just drop in and replace bolt in with an offset driver. You get what you pay for and a pair of Pioneers were in the $100 range. I don't know if they are available anymore as I bought them more than 10 years ago.
Some people, myself included, would recommend changing to a set of components, 5.25" or 4", in the front dash with an adapter plate. They's probably also suggest using a 4x6 plate speaker in the rear, which is much like a component set using a round mid and seperate tweeter. The reason being oval speakers tend to distort more than round speakers. As far as fitting, I'm not sure on the 4x6 speakers you listed as my Fiero was an 84 and had the headrest speakers instead of the 4x6. The 4x10 should fit just fine. Pyle is not the barand it used to be back in the late 80's early 90's. Now they are pretty much just another rebranded Pyramid so don't expect stellar sound.
4x10 are the stock front size, and 4x6 are the stock rear size for 86-88 Fieros. The thing you want to watch out for is the mounting depth in the rear, 1.75" is about the safest max depth.
If you want better sound quality, people are now installing 5.25" in the front with adapter plates, and 4" in the rear with adapter plates. Round speakers sound better than ovals.
Everybody seems to love Pioneers. If you can find some NOS Eclipse speakers, those are my favorite.
Go with the 5.25 Alpines in dash, they will sound better than a 4x10. Im running infinity 4x6 in the pillars, and a 6" Infinity round in the doors. You should consider getting amp for the speakers regardless if you have a sub, it will really clean up the sound.
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4x10 are the stock front size, and 4x6 are the stock rear size for 86-88 Fieros. The thing you want to watch out for is the mounting depth in the rear, 1.75" is about the safest max depth.
If you want better sound quality, people are now installing 5.25" in the front with adapter plates, and 4" in the rear with adapter plates. Round speakers sound better than ovals.
Everybody seems to love Pioneers. If you can find some NOS Eclipse speakers, those are my favorite.
so is it a straight forward install and does anyone have adapter plate templates which I could just print off ?
Wiring speakers is point A to point B. Keep the + and - straight, and you're good. If you dont know the polarity, get a AA battery, and a wire. Hook it to the speaker terminals. If the positive side of the battery contacts the positive speaker terminal, the speaker will move out towards you.
As to speaker selection, listen to several next to one another, and go by sound, not price.
I have dealt with speakers for a long time now. It kinda depends on what kind of sound you are going for sony explodes for instance can be bought at walmart in my opinion some very good speakers. They have nice bass treble everything. I have had some crappy headunits that make these speakers sound good. My point is you really cant go wrong with sony explode series. As for higher end you have to really start looking at them. cause some ore made for mid bass. Meaning to get the full bass sound you have to buy a subwoofer. They make these for a full system. the mid bass takes care of what the subwoofer can not handle. Pretty much everything at walmart is pretty good these days I stay away from Jensen though. They have never been that great. A couple places I shop for speakers at online is woofersetc.com, and amazon.com. And if your looking for what fits your cars and things crutchfield.com is good, and if you spend over a hundred dollars there it will come with everything you need to install whatever it is you are installing. Like if you get 4 inch components with tweeters, then it should come with a mounting plate that will fit your 4x10 holes. I usually build my whole system these days on about 150 bucks. Im not as young as I used to be lol!
Just remember, you do only get what you pay for, and sometimes less.
I have a JVC unit, not high end but one w/HD radio and works great. Went to Ebay and bought a complete set of 4 for about $55 with shipping. They started going out within a month, one by one. First a little fuzzy/crackling, then nothing. They were still under warranty, so I called and emailed the company, but no one ever got back to me. Besides, if they did, the warranty did not cover shipping, (defective units to them, plus new units back out). So I got some new Pioneer 4 X 10's for the front and put the factory 4 X 6's back in the rear. Sounds great. Need to sneak some cash soon, (married), for some new rear's.
Need to sneak some cash soon, (married), for some new rear's.
I must be lucky... I never have to sneak cash for things I want. Of course I so rarely buy something for myself that when I look at things, my wife tells me to get it (assuming it's within reason cost wise, I mean she's not going to say "Just buy the Lamborghini"). Still, we leave the store often times with her being upset because I didn't buy it. However, I've never had to sneak money or ask for permission to spend money. I will ask her if she's okay about me buying something out of the norm for us, like when I recently bought a Mosin Nagant. Other than things like that though, when I want it bad enough and have the money for it without hurting us financially I just buy it /shrug.
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Wiring speakers is point A to point B. Keep the + and - straight, and you're good. If you dont know the polarity, get a AA battery, and a wire. Hook it to the speaker terminals. If the positive side of the battery contacts the positive speaker terminal, the speaker will move out towards you.
As to speaker selection, listen to several next to one another, and go by sound, not price.
I always used a 9 volt battery for that test. It's easier as the contacts are spaced just enough that you can touch them to the speaker plug on most aftermarket speakers without any need for jumper wires.
Now this is something I can def help with! I have tried every single brand and style and yes the adapter change over plates. This is what I have found has KILLER sound that will knock the soda(or beer) back out of your throat and give you wicked highs and great mids. BUT still look stock. My answer may seem strange to some but trust me these speakers are by FAR the best and kick the crap out of Kicker (hmm punn) or Pioneer or Infinity. Cause I have compared them all and had them all !!! For the 4x10's STICK with 4x10's and go with Performance Teknique ICBM-758's. They are 3 way speakers that are just crazy good sounding and super loud. Go with the same brand for the 4x6's (I cant find my box for the model #) TRUST ME these are amazing and look wonderful too. I ripped off the speaker cover cloths on the Fiero speaker covers, cleaned prepped and painted the covers without the cloth on them. Now its like a translucent grill so you can kinda see the great looking chromed out new speakers. They are gunmetal and chrome and look as good as they sound. Ok now on to what will sound more on par with others. Get a shallow truck speaker box or make one yourself. Make sure it is as shallow as possible to fit a Sony Xplode 10 inch 1100 watt shallow back sub. You can pick up the sub at any Best Buy or Wal-Mart. Ok now get a Kenwood or Kicker 400 wt amp (you don't need anything bigger in this car at all) and bridge it. Hook it up for the Sub only. Any good head unit with preamp out puts will do, Kenwood, Alpine, but I Love the Pioneer DEH-2400UB or newer model. Its cheap and its better quality then some of the high end ones. Just make sure its a head unit with more than 50 watts per ch. A 48 doesn't give you the volume you need in your non amped speakers without having to crank it to 32 or so. I run exactly all this in my 87GT and at 20 vol with all my settings to my liking it knocks the drank back up your chest and the highs are super crisp and wonderful. Voice coils in the PT speakers are best I ever heard. i would love to know who makes PT, I am sure its some big brand subsidiarity or maybe they make their own stuff. IDK. You are in England so every single one of these items can be bought at Amazon.com. That is where I get it all. Oh yeah don't forget an amp wiring kit with a decent gauge and large enough fuse. FYI, If you crank it up real loud and amp shuts off, go get a bigger fuse. I think I have a 30 in mine, amp kit came with a 20... that was too low. 30 works great! This is all from trial and error actual doing and not just what I believe. This IS the setup that is best for a Fiero audio system. Minus the CarPC and higher end touch screen head units of course. Those rock too! But I want what sounds BEST and nothing less. If you can get that top sound and not have to buy a $500 head unit or spend $130 bucks a speaker then I am all over that! I dont care what the brand is, I care about what sounds the best!!! Go save a quid and get some awesome sound. Oh I almost forgot Face the Sub TOWARDS the Firewall NOT towards the back of the seat. The Sub will flap the back of your seat and make it sound crap (or flappy). With it facing the firewall its killer, leave space for two fingers space at the bottom of the sub at the floor between the sub and firewall so it can sound best top of subbox will need to be flush as you can with firewall as long as the sub doesnt lay flat on firewall, obviously a wedge shaped speaker box is ideal for this, thats what I use. Ok I'm done.
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This is what I have found has KILLER sound that will knock the soda(or beer) back out of your throat and give you wicked highs and great mids. BUT still look stock. My answer may seem strange to some but trust me these speakers are by FAR the best and kick the crap out of Kicker (hmm punn) or Pioneer or Infinity. Cause I have compared them all and had them all !!! For the 4x10's STICK with 4x10's and go with Performance Teknique ICBM-758's. They are 3 way speakers that are just crazy good sounding and super loud. Go with the same brand for the 4x6's (I cant find my box for the model #) TRUST ME these are amazing and look wonderful too.
Performance Teknique same parent company as -- Volfenhag, Rockwood, Nitro, DHD, Koiiler, American Pro, Phoenix Digital.
According to a web search.
Not saying they don't sound good, I've never owned or seen any so I don't know. I was once given 2 American Pro 10" subwwofers for a gift one Christmas. They sounded fine but the build quality was utter crap and they didn't last more than about 6 months. The chromed steel stamped baskets were pretty but they were not deburred so I ended up with sliced fingers when I installed them. The tinsel leads going to the voice coil were of low quality and they started loosing connection causing the subs to cut in and out. They were the cheapest pair of subs I've owned and I've owned many different subs over the years. Kicker, Pyle, JBL, Soundstream, American Pro, Sony, Lightning Audio and Boston Acoustics that I can think of off the top of my head. The Kicker, Pyle, JBL, Boston Acoustics and Soundstreams were all pre 1995, before any of those companies were bought out and rolled into the crappy companies some of them have ended up becoming part of.
Performance Teknique same parent company as -- Volfenhag, Rockwood, Nitro, DHD, Koiiler, American Pro, Phoenix Digital.
According to a web search.
Not saying they don't sound good, I've never owned or seen any so I don't know. I was once given 2 American Pro 10" subwwofers for a gift one Christmas. They sounded fine but the build quality was utter crap and they didn't last more than about 6 months. The chromed steel stamped baskets were pretty but they were not deburred so I ended up with sliced fingers when I installed them. The tinsel leads going to the voice coil were of low quality and they started loosing connection causing the subs to cut in and out. They were the cheapest pair of subs I've owned and I've owned many different subs over the years. Kicker, Pyle, JBL, Soundstream, American Pro, Sony, Lightning Audio and Boston Acoustics that I can think of off the top of my head. The Kicker, Pyle, JBL, Boston Acoustics and Soundstreams were all pre 1995, before any of those companies were bought out and rolled into the crappy companies some of them have ended up becoming part of.
How interesting on parent company. Yes I TOTALLY agree about the PT Subs, total rubbish IMO. If someone gave me a PT Subs I would give it to my cat to use as a scratching post. But the PT speakers I listed are just crazy good sounding and good quality, I was totally shocked and floored at my findings with testing all the diff 4x10's and 4x6's to find those PT were by far the best. I was like Performance What, wth are those???
How interesting on parent company. Yes I TOTALLY agree about the PT Subs, total rubbish IMO. If someone gave me a PT Subs I would give it to my cat to use as a scratching post. But the PT speakers I listed are just crazy good sounding and good quality, I was totally shocked and floored at my findings with testing all the diff 4x10's and 4x6's to find those PT were by far the best. I was like Performance What, wth are those???
From what I've seen on ampguts.com, PT amplifiers look fairly well built. Not top of the line by any means, but atleast as good as Pioneer, Kenwood or Sony. Their amplifiers are eye pleasing to with a back to basics amplifier style to them. One day I will get my hands on one and check it out more thuroughly. As to their multiple driver speakers, I imagine they sound fine for most listeners, again in the realm of Pioneer, Kenwood and Sony. I imagine they wouldn't be near as good as Polk, MB Quart or other top brands but for most people they would do just fine. I went a bit more overboard with my stero install in my Fiero although I used Lightning Audio (Rockford Fosgates affordable brand) 10" subs and 5.25" component set. I used a JVC headunit, Audio Art equalizer, Aura amplifier for the subs and a Lightning Audio amp for the component set. I really liked the sound I got. My subs did face the backside of my seats but I didn't get any flapping noise from them. I installed them the way fierosound did his in his audio competition car.
That was taken before I added the Lightning Audio amp for the components. I mounted that amp above the passenger side sub.
This is with the amplifier cover plate attached to hide the amplifier so when looking through the window, all you'd see was the headunit and equalizer.
The Lightning Audio subs were their promo edition 3 subs. Shown here next to one of my Boston Acoustic subs.
I sold the Fiero with 2 Lightning Audio amps in it, keeping my Aura amplifier which I will use with my other 4 channel Aura amplifier in my Neon.
I'm going to use the Boston Acoustics subs in the Neon also, but I still have a brand new set of the Lightning Audio subs I picked up because I really liked them when I got them for the Fiero. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the Diamond Audio mono block amps yet. I'm debating using one to power the subs in the Neon instead of the Force 250A and maybe using the other in my wifes car for her Sony Xplode 12" which is currently being pushed by a old school Phillips Sound Labs amplifier.
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Khw, What is covering the amp in the center 'glove box' ? I can't see what it is in place of the door flop thingy, does it allow the amp to stay cool enough being in there? Cause if it does I am moving my amp off the firewall to in there tomorrow!! I never did cause I was afraid of it over heating. Your set up is SIIICK! Just Wicked Sick!!! My brother just got a PT amp... so we shall see if its quality is as good as the speakers I tested and used.
can anyone tell me the depth of the rear speakers? as I am not near the car at the moment - I think I may of found of "drop in" speakers so I dont have to modify anything
can anyone tell me the depth of the rear speakers? as I am not near the car at the moment - I think I may of found of "drop in" speakers so I dont have to modify anything
thanks again
jon
1 and 11/16ths WILL fit for the rear speakers. Which is 1/4" deeper than the factory speakers. But remember that you have some room to mount the speaker forward. If you use a speaker baffle, that can give you another 1/4" or so by bringing the speaker a big more forward. There's plenty of room behind the fascia panels.
As an FYI, not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but make sure you have a stereo in your car that can handle the watts of the speakers you're looking to install. In the link in your first post, it said 360-Watt RMS (or something). That's pretty heavy. If you have a stock speaker, you really don't want to go much higher than say 100 watts per speaker... but realistically, you'll get the best sound from something that's more like 50 watts since you won't have to worry about under-driving it.
If you're at all interested, this is what I did with my factory system. The sound is VERY clear, and has plenty of depth to it. It's definitely not a competition stereo, but it's pretty decent for using "a" stock stereo, and stock wiring.
Originally posted by RWDPLZ: The thing you want to watch out for is the mounting depth in the rear, 1.75" is about the safest max depth.
If I remember correctly, you also have to be careful with the magnet diameter in the rear speakers. If it's to big you will need to trim the metal, or bend it back to get the magnet in the whole.
Khw, What is covering the amp in the center 'glove box' ? I can't see what it is in place of the door flop thingy, does it allow the amp to stay cool enough being in there? Cause if it does I am moving my amp off the firewall to in there tomorrow!! I never did cause I was afraid of it over heating. Your set up is SIIICK! Just Wicked Sick!!! My brother just got a PT amp... so we shall see if its quality is as good as the speakers I tested and used.
It's a peice of 3/8" thick hardoard that I covered with the same carpet I used on the subwoofer enclosures. It didn't have any problem with heat, the side vents are funcional so they halped keep the heat down. I screwed a peice of 3/8" hardboard to the mounts over the ECM, cut out the glove box portion of the cover and mounted the amp on the hardboard. That took a few tries to get it all centered up and positioned just right up and down to clear all the wiring on one end and the RCA connectors on the other. The Lightning Audio amp I put in there to replace it was alot smaller of an amp and would probably have fit in the glove box portion itself without cutting it out.
Edit: Oh, and Thanks! I've gotten quite a few compliments on the install. Some think I went a little overboard using two 10" woofers, but it's what I like . If I ever get another Fiero I'd do it again.
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right I think I am going to fit these sony xplod speakers ( i have a sony xplod cd unit which is a 4x50 watt) the speakers are 4" and are rated at 30 watts to a max of 140 watts. - (there also half the price which is a bargain)
right I think I am going to fit these sony xplod speakers ( i have a sony xplod cd unit which is a 4x50 watt) the speakers are 4" and are rated at 30 watts to a max of 140 watts. - (there also half the price which is a bargain)
please give me some opinions as this subject is starting to drive me mad!!!
jon
I put the 6.5" version of those Sony speakers in a freinds Neon for them. Thay looked well built and sound decent. I would imagine if the 4" is similar in construction, they would fit, but you'd need a 4x6 adapter to mount the and a 4x10 adapter to mount them in the front. As to the different numbers, I'd say the speakers are identicle, your just looking at the 2010 model and the 2011 model of the same speaker. The 6.5's in the Neon were ran off the headunit, which she had a Sony Xplode headunit.
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Those 4s seem to be ok for the rear.... but in the front too??? I really wouldn't do that and you have to get an adapter plate for up front if you do. Go with these up front. http://www.amazon.com/PERFO...CE+TEKNIQUE+ICBM-758
They are about the same price as those 4s you are looking at, but you don't get the air freshener with order from amazon unfortunately. LMAO 17 quid is like $26 American about, right?
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thanks tntcary - very tempted may also get the performance techniques 4x6 for the rears as well - just trying to find a u.k stockist due to import and postage costs hike the price up
right after looking at various speakers - I think I have found a set of pioneers and a dealer who is selling them at a very good price. here is the speaker
they are 4x6 3way 200 watt speakers and I was thinking of using these for the front and the rears if they will fit the dimensions are
cut out hole required is 3 1/4 x 5 9/16 or 83mm x 141mm mounting depth is 1 5/8 or 41.5 mm the total height from the bottom of the magnet to the top of the tweeter is 2 1/8 or 53mm
right after looking at various speakers - I think I have found a set of pioneers and a dealer who is selling them at a very good price. here is the speaker
they are 4x6 3way 200 watt speakers and I was thinking of using these for the front and the rears if they will fit the dimensions are
cut out hole required is 3 1/4 x 5 9/16 or 83mm x 141mm mounting depth is 1 5/8 or 41.5 mm the total height from the bottom of the magnet to the top of the tweeter is 2 1/8 or 53mm
all opinions welcome
jon
PM sent. Great speakers for the rear! Dont use those for the front as well. They wont fit correctly and if you do get an adapter plate to make them fit it is not worth it. Stick with 4x10 fronts.
------------------ Put the blow torch down please, its just a Fiero.
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Thanks for the pm cary - the only problem I have is there is only one make of 4x10 speaker I can find in the uk which goes by the name pyle and has mixed views - hence the pioneers - making an adapter plate would be straight forward And the pioneers work out at about $60 a pair
Boston Acoustic 4 x 6 plate type speakers mount in the rear pillars easily and have some decent sound quality. I use them on three cars at this moment.
Before you start to replace the pillar speakers, you should watch the tutorial ("how to replace the rear Fiero speakers." or something like that), on YouTube. It will really save you a lot of time and trouble. Incidentally, I installed the Kenwood 4 x 10s and 4 x6s, as well as Rodney's subwoofer. I also purchased a GM cd player from Replacement Radios, and I'm very pleased with the results. Given the small size of the Fiero cabin, I think that too much sound would be overwhelming and distracting. But I'm 66, don't like rap; and enjoy peace and quiet.
