I just got my new Quickjack and want to use it on my 87'Fiero. The rear lift points are fine. However, I am confused about the location of the front ones. The colored diagram that I have seen in repair manuals shows garage lift points that differ from the Factory Service Manual(page 18). The Factory manual shows small humps with a hole in the middle as the lift points(see image below). I am confused- anyone have an opinion? Thanks-Rolf

Good question. I've always lifted the front end, underneath the A-arms. This diagram shows a lift point in the center. Is the the spot that has a bracket holding the cooling tubes? This would support the car, WITHOUT smashing the tubes? (Mine is an 88 though. So are the mounts different?)

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This lift map is from my Cave, Safe Jacking and is a bit different from FSM and others as stated their.

Hole shown looks like floor drain w/o it's plug allowing road crap getting in and rot floor and everything.

QuickJack likely won't work on Fiero as shown in most videos and docs because coolant pipes etc.
Have no clue how to make it work of Fiero. Might be able to use yellow marks but may need blocking between car and jacks. If done wrong then you hope only damage the car.

quote Originally posted by sledcaddie: Good question. I've always lifted the front end, underneath the A-arms. This diagram shows a lift point in the center. Is the the spot that has a bracket holding the cooling tubes? This would support the car, WITHOUT smashing the tubes? (Mine is an 88 though. So are the mounts different?)

Green center lift zone is for floor jacking. If you can bend the front cross member jacking there then you have much bigger problem and do not drive the car.

I don't recommend using a jack under any control arms. One is Many use small jack that can move and unbalance the load on them but are other reasons.
GM made the map for Real Service shops like GM dealer service shops used w/ heavy jacks on concrete floors etc.

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I use the center for floor jack in front and at the back of the rear subframe for the rear. You may have to put BLOCKS on top of the Quickjack to lift the Fiero safely- Be careful- a lot of places where damage can result.

Here is an earlier post on the subject- take a look here; https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/099013.html

Thanks, Ogre. The green square on your diagram, in the center of the front wheels; this is the area I'm asking about (photo attached), with the bracket covering the coolant tubes. It's okay to use a floor jack here? I'm concerned that the bracket would collapse, possibly compressing the coolant tubes.

Above map is for 84-87 Fiero but 88 FSM shows same.

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If that's rust rotten then could crush 88 coolant pipes jack there.
Seems solid to jack since is also the "rock shield" to prevent crushing pipes on the road driving over crap.
Just watch it for damage. More so w/ common floor jacks sold to DIY market. Many have small heads that often slip off or crush things.

Some HF and others have Higher Grades of jacks are more "professional" have bigger 5 - 6" saddle/heads and often removable to accept other heads like HF Jack Cross Beam head that may be better there but likely have no room to use. Still have to watch exact lift points to make sure can't move when jack is up. A jack point maybe level but can tilt when up and push off/out the jack when using most jacks. Even then should use Jack stands because jacks can fail/move w/o warning.

note that Floor jacks have "teeth" on saddle edges. So when you rotate the saddle can lock in the lift area better in many cases.
Floor and other jacks and stands need concrete floors to be safe.
On dirt or Asphalt can move or sink unevenly an drop the car w/o warning.

QuickJack w/ 88 can still have problems because plastic rocker panels etc.
Note: Red spot in map above is made and reinforce to accept OE jack made for this spot. Use OE jack elsewhere have trouble and can drop the car easy. Using another jack may cause damage or drop the car in Red spot.

quote Originally posted by luvatenor: I just got my new Quickjack and want to use it on my 87'Fiero. The rear lift points are fine. However, I am confused about the location of the front ones. The colored diagram that I have seen in repair manuals shows garage lift points that differ from the Factory Service Manual(page 18). The Factory manual shows small humps with a hole in the middle as the lift points(see image below). I am confused- anyone have an opinion? Thanks-Rolf

Personally, I wouldn't put a floor jack under the rear control arms.
Also, a trailer hitch is an EXTREMELY convenient jack and jack stand hard point.

quote Originally posted by luvatenor:

The jack point is further inboard beyond the spring wound tube... which I guess is your clutch hydraulic line, since there's only one (which means it's not transmission cooler)

[This message has been edited by Will (edited 02-20-2020).]

I finally found the factory manual's lift point - It is where the hole in the sheet metal is-it shows a 2 post lift and the saddle contacting the lift point- Opinions?

This is the lift point:

Makes sense- it just looked like the saddle was on the hump by the hole- thanks

quote Originally posted by Will: This is the lift point:

No. That is the Gas Tank. Look again.
Lift head shows the lift point then follow floor as bends into tank tunnel.

That area of floor is double thick or more where meets lower front subframe. If same area shown above then that is drain hole between to metal layers. Hard to tell from that picture.
More correct image... Note these are one 4 arm 2 post frame hoist on P-side of car.

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88 Jack front/rear on page 0A-10 seem to have same images from early years but still valid... (edit it shorten image height.)

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While FSM have control arm as lift points, I avoid using them.

quote Originally posted by Will: This is the lift point:

quote Originally posted by theogre: No. That is the Gas Tank. Look again. Lift head shows the lift point then follow floor as bends into tank tunnel.

Tough to argue over a crappy drawing in a 35 year old shop manual. To me it looks like the tank is to the left of the drawing, out of frame. The tube depicted is the rear brake line.

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Thanks Will for all the info. Much appreciated. I don't think I can use the QuickJack on the Fiero- I tried-Rolf

quote Originally posted by luvatenor: Thanks Will for all the info. Much appreciated. I don't think I can use the QuickJack on the Fiero- I tried-Rolf

I have the largest Quickjack model. I have had it up on the quickjacks for the last 4 months. Check out the post below for pics. Use the yellow lift points in the front. You will end up with the Quickjacks not being paralell. The instructions say to keep them as paralel as possible. I emailed quickjack to ask them what 'close as possible to paralel' meant and they said they had no exact measurement. It is completly solid but I also blocked up some jack stands just for backup. It has not moved or shifted in the 4 months I have had it on the quickjacks.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/099013.html

[This message has been edited by nero (edited 02-21-2020).]

Dammit, here's where the F$%#ing lift points are:



Notice they are INBOARD of the spring wound tubing. The spring wound tube on the RIGHT side of the CAR (left in image) goes to the rear brakes. The spring wound tube on the LEFT side of the CAR (right in image) is either the clutch hydraulic line or the transmission cooler lines depending on whether the car is auto or manual.

Notice that there are small sheet metal doubler panels on the lift points.